Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- "Jim Condit Jr." wrote: -Caveat Lector- At Chris's implied suggestion, I'm going to study nurev's final response below to get a feel for high-minded, as opposed to trite and stupid, expression of one's position. Thanks for the nudge. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nurev "Peter L. Sroufe" wrote: Folks, Have you ever wondered why the Liberals never use the word Socialist to describe their Agenda?? Think about it! There's not a damn bit of difference between a Liberal and a Socialist. I defy any Liberal to prove otherwise. You're an idiot. There are many different definitions of " liberal." Joshua2 High minded indeed. In light of what he said, idiot is a complement. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- At Chris's implied suggestion, I'm going to study nurev's final response below to get a feel for high-minded, as opposed to trite and stupid, expression of one's position. Thanks for the nudge. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nurev Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal -Caveat Lector- "Peter L. Sroufe" wrote: Folks, Have you ever wondered why the Liberals never use the word Socialist to describe their Agenda?? Think about it! There's not a damn bit of difference between a Liberal and a Socialist. I defy any Liberal to prove otherwise. You're an idiot. There are many different definitions of " liberal." Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- At 11:05 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote: I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Bill Fascism is a sneaky form of Socialism/Communism. Fascism means state direction of the economy, cradle to grave 'social security', complete control of education, government intervention in every nook and cranny of the economy, religion, and culture and the belief that the individual belongs to the state, enforced by strong-arm federal law enforcement. This is the exact agenda of the Liberals. Therefore, your equation should read: Liberal =Socialism=Fascism During WWII, the war between Fascists and Communists was not a clash of two opposite ideologies, but rather a competition of two similar ideologies. Both are totalitarian and statist, both are in emnity to the Constitution and the American Culture. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? It would be fair to say that MANY of the so-called Conservatives are Fascists. It would be also fair to say that MOST Liberals are Fascists. Some informative reading: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/hot.html --- The association of the Nazi party to right wing conservatives couldn't be further from the truth. The Republicans are often compared to Nazis because of their attempts to reduce the size of government and federal spending. They have been called racist by the party of the minority, much like the KKK is synonymous with the words right wing. While the Democratic party hides behind their label, in truth, they are the modern day Nazi Party. They will make the claim that Nazism is "Fascism", but Fascism is nothing more than a figment of Stalin's imagination. Stalin ordered the Nazis to be called Fascist to define the line between National Socialist and Stalin's Soviet Socialism. In the final analogy, the Nazis were not Republicans, nor were they right wing patriots, they simply were left wing Socialist monsters. -Bob Momenteller ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/21/99 9:48:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Folks, Have you ever wondered why the Liberals never use the word Socialist to describe their Agenda?? Think about it! There's not a damn bit of difference between a Liberal and a Socialist. I defy any Liberal to prove otherwise. Yeah, and I've wondered why the Conservatives never call themselves Fascists either. When you take conservatism all the way to the right, that's what you get. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- "Peter L. Sroufe" wrote: Folks, Have you ever wondered why the Liberals never use the word Socialist to describe their Agenda?? Think about it! There's not a damn bit of difference between a Liberal and a Socialist. I defy any Liberal to prove otherwise. You're an idiot. There are many different definitions of " liberal." Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? Bill Don't bother. This guy wouldn't know a socialist if one sat on his face. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. Capitalism requires the complete separation of the economy and the state -- as such NEITHER Rs or Ds are 'capitalist's through and through'. This is simply wrong. Capitalism COULD NOT EXIST without the State. It is a fatally flawed and defective system which NEEDS the state to prop it up to keep it going. Show me one place in the world or in history where there is an ongoing capitalist system not dependent on the state. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. MJ: Capitalism requires the complete separation of the economy and the state -- as such NEITHER Rs or Ds are 'capitalist's through and through'. Nurev: This is simply wrong. Capitalism COULD NOT EXIST without the State. It is a fatally flawed and defective system which NEEDS the state to prop it up to keep it going. MJ: Could you kindly elaborate? Specifically: o how it is a 'flawed' system o why it needs the State to exist o how the State 'props it up' Nurev: Show me one place in the world or in history where there is an ongoing capitalist system not dependent on the state. MJ: capitalism (kàp´î-tl-îz´em) noun An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market. The Government 'intervening' negates 'privately owned means of production and distribution.' There has NEVER been a system of capitalism on any great scale in all of history -- America came close during its first 150 or so years. You are identifying a 'mixed system'. Regard$, --MJ It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our necessities but of their advantages. -- Adam Smith DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/22/99 5:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, and I've wondered why the Conservatives never call themselves Fascists either. When you take conservatism all the way to the right, that's what you get. Prudy This is not necessarily true. Fascism is state power and can come at us from both ends, if you insist on using the "left vs. right" paradigm. It seems to me that fascism has embedded itself very well in our society, and both parties adhere to many of it's dictums. It obviously does not follow that all Liberals are socialists either, at least generally speaking. The most obvious reason why Conservatives of a fascist bent do not label themselves such is that it (rightly) has a negative connotation, same for socialism. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- Oh Mike, you fall into the typical trap in equating totalitarian socialism (as practiced in the USSR and Cuba) with the teachings of Marx. Allow me to amend my proclamation, I"M A MARXIST LIVING IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY. The so-called socialism of the former Soviet Union, Cuba... was in fact state capitalism and not the Marxist ideal, it was a bastardization of Marxism. I for one believe in a government by, of and for the people and not the corporation and the fat cats, you? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/22/99 7:08:20 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? Bill Don't bother. This guy wouldn't know a socialist if one sat on his face. Hey thanks Joshua2, methinks he's had too may militia wannabes sittin' on his mug! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
Folks, Have you ever wondered why the Liberals never use the word Socialist to describe their Agenda?? Think about it! There's not a damn bit of difference between a Liberal and a Socialist. I defy any Liberal to prove otherwise. I'm not anti-government!I'm anti-corrupt government!NEVER FORGET the Waco Massacre of April, 1993!Federal Government defined:a benefit/subsidy protection racket!**SOCIALISM IS THE ENEMY OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM!**Democracy=ChaosRepublic=Order Bard
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. Capitalism requires the complete separation of the economy and the state -- as such NEITHER Rs or Ds are 'capitalist's through and through'. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? Most likely the case (or at least some other form of Statism). There are very few persons who oppose Statism in ALL of its forms. Regard$, --MJ We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt ends -- the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it. -- Friedrich Engels DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
