Re: [CTRL] "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" documentary or hoax?

1999-09-10 Thread Gavin Phillips

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Has anybody else you know seen this edited part? Very explosive footage, how
did you come to see it? What happened to it? Gavin.

<< In the Rules of Engagement, there is a moment where an ATF agent can be
seen
 on the roof of the complex, just outside a window.  I have seen other
 versions of this moment and one thing I can tell everyone is that in the
 Rules of Engagement, the piece is cut JUST BEFORE an ATF agent pumps him
 full of bullets.  Yes, I am telling you that a BATF agent shot a BATF agent
 and it was CENSORED from the Rules of Engagement. >>

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Re: [CTRL] "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" documentary or hoax?

1999-09-10 Thread Sean McDougal

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In the Rules of Engagement, there is a moment where an ATF agent can be seen
on the roof of the complex, just outside a window.  I have seen other
versions of this moment and one thing I can tell everyone is that in the
Rules of Engagement, the piece is cut JUST BEFORE an ATF agent pumps him
full of bullets.  Yes, I am telling you that a BATF agent shot a BATF agent
and it was CENSORED from the Rules of Engagement.

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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If so, your suspicions are well founded.  "Waco:  The Rules of Engagement,"
the much ballyhooed "documentary" on Waco, is a hoax.

WTROE is an effort to misdirect protest over Waco while pretending to be a
protest piece.  WTROE hides the most damaging truths and directs attention
to false issues.


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[CTRL] "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" documentary or hoax?

1999-09-09 Thread Dave

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forwarded.

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

Waco "Documentary" Is A Hoax!
by Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
 http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum
With few exceptions, both the establishment and "patriot" press is raving
about "Waco:  The Rules of Engagement."  It has been nominated for an
Academy Award and an Emmy.  Doesn't that make you just a little suspicious?

If so, your suspicions are well founded.  "Waco:  The Rules of Engagement,"
the much ballyhooed "documentary" on Waco, is a hoax.

WTROE is an effort to misdirect protest over Waco while pretending to be a
protest piece.  WTROE hides the most damaging truths and directs attention
to false issues.  Thus it neutralizes the outrage that would be felt if  the
true facts were known. It forwards murder charges based on weak evidence;
once the charges are discredited, the public will be  inoculated against
considering real evidence that the Davidians were murdered.  And it chills
sympathy for the Davidians as victims.

Space limitations in this article prohibit a full review--but a copy of  the
script of WTROE and a more complete review can be found at:

http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/doc/wtroe.html

In a nutshell:

1. WTROE makes its gravest charge against the FBI--that adult Davidians were
machine-gunned as they ran from the burning Mt. Carmel Center on April 19,
1993--on a single piece of contested evidence.  That evidence is
Forward-Looking Infra Red (FLIR) film taken by government forces on April
19, 1993.

2. WTROE does not question the veracity of this evidence, even though the
source is the FBI, the very agency WTROE is accusing of murder.

3. WTROE argues that the Davidian mothers and children were not deliberately
murdered and that their deaths were the unintended result of the CS attack
and fire.

4. WTROE ignores a wealth of convincing evidence from a number of sources
which confirms the charge that the Davidian mothers and children were
deliberately murdered.

5. WTROE fabricates a "they died of cyanide poisoning" story to explain the
deaths of the children.

6. WTROE makes blatantly false statements about the Davidian Autopsy Reports
and "official" causes of death.

7. WTROE dilutes outrage over Waco by showcasing the most repulsive
accusation against the Davidians.

8. WTROE dilutes outrage over Waco by suggesting the atrocity was, in part,
a product of the Davidians' belief system.

9. WTROE reasserts the obviously false accounts of April 19 events, as told
by some Davidian "survivors"-- that the majority of Davidians were alive
during the CS attack and fire and died as a result of those events.  The
message is "They were alive on April 19, they really were . . . "  (Except
for those who got mowed down by FBI machine gun fire, see 1 and 2, above).

10. WTROE protects the US military by casting Waco as a "law enforcement"
event. This, despite overwhelming and obvious evidence that that it was a
military operation from the beginning to the end.

In the space permitted, let's have a look at the WTROE presentation
concerning the deaths of the mothers and children.  Remember, the deaths of
the mothers and children is the most politically explosive issue of the
entire incident.  It is in the government's interest to direct attention
away from the real and voluminous evidence they were murdered with malice
aforethought, and lead people to believe they died as a result of government
negligence.

Lies Concerning Autopsy Reports and Causes of Death

Firstly, WTROE tells us a lie concerning the causes of deaths as given in
the Autopsy Reports.  Mike McNulty, WTROE director of research, co-producer,
and narrator, tells us:  "The actual cause of each Davidian's death remains
officially unknown because the FBI interfered with the coroner's
investigation" (Script, pg. 39, available in the URL cited above).

Not so.  The "official" cause of each Davidian's death is given in the
Autopsy Report and Death Certificate. You can examine many of the Autopsy
Reports and "official" causes of death yourself at

http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/map/-d_list00.html

 On July 2, 1997, this writer called the office of the Justice of the Peace,
Precinct 2, McLennan County, Texas (where Mt. Carmel was situated).
According to the Judge's assistant, Belinda, no changes have been made since
the autopsies were done and the death certificates signed in 1993.  On the
same date, a similar call to the Records Custodian at the Office of the
Chief Medical Examiner in Tarrant County, Texas, confirmed what Judge
Collier's office had reported.

Certainly a known incompetent, Dr. Nizam Peerwani, Chief Medical Examiner of
Tarrant County, was chosen to perform the autopsies.  Certainly the manner
in which those autopsies were conducted violated many professional and
scientific standards.  Certainly many of the "official" causes