Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-08-01 Thread RoadsEnd

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Well, personally, of what i read, I thought to be rather crude and rude and
would rather not see posted and was at least happy to see that the actions
did attract detraction and  "bronx cheers."

Peace,
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>In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:49:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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>> That's just my criteria for publishing articles;  I'm not saying that
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>> should follow it. As I said, I have no problem that you as moderator
>> determines what's appropriate for this list.
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>Sorry, I think this should have read "I have no problem that the moderator
>determines what's appropriate for this list."

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Al Hidell
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In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:49:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


That's just my criteria for publishing articles;  I'm not saying that you should follow it. As I said, I have no problem that you as moderator determines what's appropriate for this list. 


Sorry, I think this should have read "I have no problem that the moderator determines what's appropriate for this list."
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Al Hidell
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In a message dated 7/31/2002 3:15:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Just because something is interesting and well written doesn't make it true. Nor does it make it appropriate for this list.

That's just my criteria for publishing articles;  I'm not saying that you should follow it. As I said, I have no problem that you as moderator determines what's appropriate for this list. 

However, I hope I am correct in assuming that your first statement applies to the post at issue and not in general. In other words, that you do not presume to determine the truthfullness of every post, and only allow postings that you believe to be true. Using "truth" as a criterion for evaluating posts to a conspiracy group--I hope you'd agree--is not desireable given the fact that most conspiracy theorizing is speculative. Personally, I believe that "plausibility" is a better criterion. I mean, isn't conspiracy theorizing all about challenging the "Truth" that our leaders and media try to impose upon us?
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Nessie SFBG
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The
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>is this an interesting and
well-written article


Just because something is
interesting and well written doesn't make it true. Nor does it make it
appropriate for this list.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Al Hidell
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First, I am not saying that I agree or disagree with the posting at issue.

Censorship is defined in my dictionary as something done by a public official, so you are corrrect that this action does not meet the formal definition of censorship. (I believe that the courts have addressed the issue of freedom of expression on "public" newsgroups, and the role of newsgroup moderators; does anyone have any information on this?) And certainly, it is not feasable for every newsgroup to accept every posting. For example, CTRL is not the place to post restaurant reviews. 

However, I believe that the prevention of a certain ideas or viewpoint from being expressed is in fact censorship as that term is commonly understood. On the other hand, I also support the right of newsgroup moderators (or indeed any webmaster) to define limits as to the content they will accept for posting. 

As a magazine publisher with a website who does not publish every submission, it would be hypocritical of me to criticize a newsgroup moderator for exercising the same discretion. But on the other hand (I think I'm on my third hand), I like to think that I am exercising editorial judgement of the submission as a piece of writing (i.e. is this an interesting and well-written article) rather than rejecting an article because I don't like and/or believe the opinions expressed in the article.

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Racist postings are not allowed on SNETNEWS as stated in the rules that every
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Nessie SFBG

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>Show me one fact in that article that is false.

By definition, no fact is false. Really, look it up. What we are
dealing with here are unsubstantiated allegations, quite a different
thing.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread thew

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on 7/31/02 3:04 AM, iNFoWaRZ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Show me one fact in that article that is false.

There are 3 or 4 right here in the 1st paragraph. Want me to tell you how
many are in every other paragraph?

> > When the U.S. population becomes dominated by blacks and Hispanics, this
country as we know it will cease to exist. Crime and drug use will cripple this
nation. We will have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold
in this country will be imported from Europe and Asia.



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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread thew

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on 7/31/02 3:42 AM, iNFoWaRZ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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>> "We will have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold in
>> this country will be imported from Europe and Asia."
>>
>> is laughable.
>
> Laughable?  We are already 3/4s of the way there, now.  The industrial tax
> base has been in decline for over two decades.


Blacks don't pay taxes? You apparently have them confused with corporate
executives.

Our industrial tax base is in decline, because we are no longer on an
industrial economy. It's like saying America is poorer because people own
fewer horses.




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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread c.

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i don't see how article 5 has anything to do with what i wrote. i called him
a dickhead.
he kept claiming "FACTS" all the time- and as i said- the article is short
on facts. he then got specific and said he gave a specific example and then
challenged me to do the same. as i explain in my response- the example i
presume is south africa. where his "FACTS" do not stand up at all.
to nit pick my language but to avoid the arguments i am making (which i
think are relevent) is a disinformation tactic- much clearer than "mine" and
i really don't need a list to point it out to you- it is self evident.
 lists of disinformation tactics are all well and good but is not a list of
disinformation tactics, disinformation in itself?
it is isn't a fucking rulebook, you know.

"Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nut," "ranter,"
"kook," "crackpot," and of course, "rumor monger."


i called him a dickhead. big deal. i did not cast aspertions against the
credibility of his pissant arguments- only his pissant assumptions.

"Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when
characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government
and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with
any of the people you have thus maligned."

how have i avoided fair and open debate?
i feel i have backed up my challenges to both the original article and
infothingy's frothing replies. which is more than what he has managed.
shouting "FACTS" and crying over a few sweary words is not really debate, or
sophistry even, of any worth.




 For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down."





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> Sorry c, iNFoWaRZ has a major point. If you have to use that kind of
> language, it takes away from whatever you have to say. Intentionally or
> not, you come across as a disinformation agent. I don't know if you've
> read "17 Techniques for Truth Suppression" or "25 Rules of
> Disinformation" (both widely available on the 'net, do a Google search
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Tenorlove

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Sorry c, iNFoWaRZ has a major point. If you have to use that kind of
language, it takes away from whatever you have to say. Intentionally or
not, you come across as a disinformation agent. I don't know if you've
read "17 Techniques for Truth Suppression" or "25 Rules of
Disinformation" (both widely available on the 'net, do a Google search
for a site near you), but your last 2 posts before this one fit
technique and rule #5, respectively, to a tee.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Steve Wingate

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True facts:

Rich white people running corporations invented and produced CFCs which
created an ozone hole, resulting in more ultraviolet exposure afflicting
mostly white-skinned races with melanoma, a deadly skin cancer.

Darker skinned races are more immune to the damaging effects of UV due the
the presence of melanin a skin pigment. So the white race is indeed dying out
from the kharma induced by some of their leaders. Now is that so bad? Or just
Natural Selection?

Steve

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and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation
plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread c.

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> -Caveat Lector-
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> Let me guess...third grade education?  Have your momma wash out your
filthy mouth with soap.


if that is your best response then i win.

:)

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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Let me guess...third grade education?  Have your momma wash out your filthy mouth with 
soap.

At 03:43 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote:
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>
>hey UNniNForMEd
>
>a fact is like a statistic- malleable as fuck
>
>not that the article was exactly brimming over with facts actually more
>like "future shock" speculation...
>and anyway, my american friends, aren't the whiteys a minority in american
>now anyway? not to mention the fact that you are all immigrants who kicked
>the indiginous "people of colour" (arf) off their lands...not so recently?
>why the fuck should you be the majority? you don't even come from america.
>if it is niggers you and archie are so worried about then it'll teach you to
>import them to do the shitty work your great grandparents didn't want to do.
>lazy good for nothing fucks.
>
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>
> > -Caveat Lector-
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> > There is nothing racist about FACTS. The truth is not racist. Show mean
>ONE FACT that is in that article that is FALSE.  The article points out the
>RACISM of the LEFT. The author is in NO WAY racist.  You are CENSORING an
>article because it doesn't fit your PCness. The article is right on the
>money.  And I am not a racist.  But your LEFTWING political views are.  And
>I don't care if you scrutinize my postings, your warped sense of what is
>racist doesn't influence my opinions one way or the other.  And I would
>worry more about your credibility than mine.  Again, Mr. Credibility,  show
>me ONE fact in that article that is false.
> > 
> > -iNFoWaRZ
> >
> >
> >
> > At 03:20 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote:
> > >-Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > >On 31 Jul 2002 at 3:04, iNFoWaRZ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why you would block
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> > > > censorship.
> > >
> > >Racist postings are not allowed on SNETNEWS as stated in the rules that
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>posts
> > >with more scrutiny in the future, INFOWARZ.
> > >
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >"In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace
> > >and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation
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> > >transformed before our very eyes."
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread c.

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?


>>
> Show me one example of one nation in the world and I will agree with you.
The author gives a couple examples, actual facts, that prove his statement.
Can you come up with ONE example?
>


not sure what you mean but i will gtuess that you are alluding to
southafrica falling apart because of black emancipation.
dickhead, that coiuntry was fucked into the ground already. any country
trying to crawl out of an apartheid systemis going to be struggling. badly.
and there is a good chance that it will not come good in the end.
this is not down to blacks dunning their own affairs as the stupido article
insists- and which you now back up. it is to do with fucking the majority of
the poeople of a country into the ground for generations, not allowing them
access to education, work, etc. *for generations*

of course they are going to struggle. can you not see that?
reverse the situation- black dominating white in exactly the same situation.
do you think the noble whiteys will make a smooth transition to self
determination? if you do you are a racist. simple.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread c.

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hey UNniNForMEd

a fact is like a statistic- malleable as fuck

not that the article was exactly brimming over with facts actually more
like "future shock" speculation...
and anyway, my american friends, aren't the whiteys a minority in american
now anyway? not to mention the fact that you are all immigrants who kicked
the indiginous "people of colour" (arf) off their lands...not so recently?
why the fuck should you be the majority? you don't even come from america.
if it is niggers you and archie are so worried about then it'll teach you to
import them to do the shitty work your great grandparents didn't want to do.
lazy good for nothing fucks.

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> -Caveat Lector-
>
> There is nothing racist about FACTS. The truth is not racist. Show mean
ONE FACT that is in that article that is FALSE.  The article points out the
RACISM of the LEFT. The author is in NO WAY racist.  You are CENSORING an
article because it doesn't fit your PCness. The article is right on the
money.  And I am not a racist.  But your LEFTWING political views are.  And
I don't care if you scrutinize my postings, your warped sense of what is
racist doesn't influence my opinions one way or the other.  And I would
worry more about your credibility than mine.  Again, Mr. Credibility,  show
me ONE fact in that article that is false.
> 
> -iNFoWaRZ
>
>
>
> At 03:20 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote:
> >-Caveat Lector-
> >
> >On 31 Jul 2002 at 3:04, iNFoWaRZ wrote:
> >
> > > Why you would block
> > > someone on SNET for posting an article is beyond me, except blatant
> > > censorship.
> >
> >Racist postings are not allowed on SNETNEWS as stated in the rules that
every
> >subscriber agrees to follow as a condition of participating. It is not
> >censorship.
> >
> >If you believe that the article is correct, then your credibility has
just
> >gone down several notches in my estimation, and I shall evaluate your
posts
> >with more scrutiny in the future, INFOWARZ.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >"In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace
> >and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation
> >plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being
> >transformed before our very eyes."
> >
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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At 03:25 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote:
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>
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>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
>
>
>.  Show me one fact in that article that is false.
>
>okeydokey! :)
>
>"When the U.S. population becomes dominated by blacks and Hispanics, this
>country as we know it will cease to exist"
>
>is utterly false.

Show me one example of one nation in the world and I will agree with you.  The author 
gives a couple examples, actual facts, that prove his statement.  Can you come up with 
ONE example?


>"We will have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold in
>this country will be imported from Europe and Asia."
>
>is laughable.

Laughable?  We are already 3/4s of the way there, now.  The industrial tax base has 
been in decline for over two decades.



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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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There is nothing racist about FACTS. The truth is not racist. Show mean ONE FACT that 
is in that article that is FALSE.  The article points out the RACISM of the LEFT. The 
author is in NO WAY racist.  You are CENSORING an article because it doesn't fit your 
PCness. The article is right on the money.  And I am not a racist.  But your LEFTWING 
political views are.  And I don't care if you scrutinize my postings, your warped 
sense of what is racist doesn't influence my opinions one way or the other.  And I 
would worry more about your credibility than mine.  Again, Mr. Credibility,  show me 
ONE fact in that article that is false.

-iNFoWaRZ



At 03:20 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote:
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>
>On 31 Jul 2002 at 3:04, iNFoWaRZ wrote:
>
> > Why you would block
> > someone on SNET for posting an article is beyond me, except blatant
> > censorship.
>
>Racist postings are not allowed on SNETNEWS as stated in the rules that every
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>censorship.
>
>If you believe that the article is correct, then your credibility has just
>gone down several notches in my estimation, and I shall evaluate your posts
>with more scrutiny in the future, INFOWARZ.
>
>Steve
>
>"In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace
>and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation
>plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being
>transformed before our very eyes."
>
>http://www.truthout.com
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread c.

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.  Show me one fact in that article that is false.

okeydokey! :)

"When the U.S. population becomes dominated by blacks and Hispanics, this
country as we know it will cease to exist"

is utterly false.

"We will have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold in
this country will be imported from Europe and Asia."

is laughable.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 31 Jul 2002 at 3:04, iNFoWaRZ wrote:

> Why you would block
> someone on SNET for posting an article is beyond me, except blatant
> censorship.

Racist postings are not allowed on SNETNEWS as stated in the rules that every
subscriber agrees to follow as a condition of participating. It is not
censorship.

If you believe that the article is correct, then your credibility has just
gone down several notches in my estimation, and I shall evaluate your posts
with more scrutiny in the future, INFOWARZ.

Steve

"In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace
and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation
plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being
transformed before our very eyes."

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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This s***, as you call it comes from http://www.american-partisan.com/ which has some 
very good columnists.
I see nothing wrong with the article, as a matter of fact it is a darn good article.
It points out the hard cold fact that the LEFT is racist, is causing racism, thrives 
on racism, and who's policies promote racism.
The facts contained in it are just that, facts.  There is nothing stupid, ignorant or 
cruel about it.  Why you would block someone on SNET for posting an article is beyond 
me, except blatant censorship.  Show me one fact in that article that is false.
Your Political Correctness runneth amok.
---
-iNFoWaRZ



At 02:11 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote:
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>
>''ab'' is Archibald Bard. He was posting this sh*t to SNETNEWS. I removed and
>blocked him after repeated warnings. This crap makes me sad that some people
>can be so stupid, ignorant, and cruel.
>
>Steve
>
>
>On 30 Jul 2002 at 14:38, ab wrote:
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
> > by Dave Gibson, Columnist
> >
> > July 29, 2002
> >
> > We have been told, based on the most recent census and population forecasts that 
>by the middle of this century, whites will become a minority within the United 
>States. What does that mean for America?
> >
> > When the U.S. population becomes dominated by blacks and Hispanics, this country 
>as we know it will cease to exist. Crime and drug use will cripple this nation. We 
>will have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold in this country 
>will be imported from Europe and Asia.
> >
> > One only has to look to South Africa to see the chaos that a black majority 
>population brings. Since the end to Apartheid and the election of Nelson Mandela as 
>president, that nation has been coming apart at the seams. It has become shockingly 
>commonplace for roving gangs of black youths,
>roaming the countryside at night to attack and kill white farmers throughout South 
>Africa (you won't hear that from Dan Rather!). In fact, crime has become so rampant 
>in that country, that the government now refuses to issue crime statistics.
> >
> > The Clinton Administration seemed to have an open door policy with our 'friends' 
>to the south, and now President Bush is continuing the fiesta. In recent years, the 
>illegals crossing the border from Mexico have been doing so in record numbers. This 
>unlawful exodus has placed a terrible strain
>on the school systems, emergency services, and even the social services of those 
>border states. This nation's beleaguered Southwestern residents already feel as 
>though they have been living in a war zone. It is also a war in which they are losing.
> >
> > One need only take a look at every major city in this nation which has been run by 
>a black mayor, and you will find paralyzing crime, non-existent city services, and 
>taxpayers fleeing the city for the suburbs. I can point to Los Angeles under Tom 
>Bradley, New York under David Dinkins - both of
>these cities became saturated with violent crime and deteriorating living conditions.
> >
> > Philadelphia, New Orleans, and let us never forget Washington D.C (home to the 
>only known crackhead mayor), under the direction of black police chiefs have become 
>filthy, frightening places, leaving the taxbase no choice but to escape to the more 
>civilized world of suburbia. They run to the
>suburbs, where the police come when you call them, the snow is plowed in the winter, 
>and the garbage is actually picked up on time.
> >
> > The blame for this current and future state of affairs can be placed squarely upon 
>the shoulders of the 'great American liberal'. President Lyndon Johnson and his 
>'Great Society' programs have helped to turn a large segment of this country into 
>nothing more than a permanent welfare state. Those
>same programs helped to destroy the black family, by rewarding people for not 
>marrying while having more children than any reasonable person would want. The same 
>bleeding hearts that advocated so fervently for the integration of our once proud 
>public school system were sending their children to
>lily-white private schools.
> >
> > We have watched our school system (which was once second to none) destroyed, due 
>to the lowering of standards necessary to accommodate the black students. We have 
>seen our business community emasculated, being told who they must hire and never fire 
>to appease the affirmative action nuts and
>stave off tremendous though baseless lawsuits.
> >
> > This country seems to be obsessed with hiring and promoting minorities simply 
>because of the color of their skin (isn't that racism?). We are constantly bombarded 
>by the liberal new media's claim that 'diversity is our strength', and attempts by 
>black racists such as Cornell West and Jesse
>Jackson to shame white Americans and equate violence with meaningful protest.
> >
> > I do not believe it will take another 50 year

Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread Steve Wingate

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''ab'' is Archibald Bard. He was posting this sh*t to SNETNEWS. I removed and
blocked him after repeated warnings. This crap makes me sad that some people
can be so stupid, ignorant, and cruel.

Steve


On 30 Jul 2002 at 14:38, ab wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
> by Dave Gibson, Columnist
>
> July 29, 2002
>
> We have been told, based on the most recent census and population forecasts that by 
>the middle of this century, whites will become a minority within the United States. 
>What does that mean for America?
>
> When the U.S. population becomes dominated by blacks and Hispanics, this country as 
>we know it will cease to exist. Crime and drug use will cripple this nation. We will 
>have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold in this country will 
>be imported from Europe and Asia.
>
> One only has to look to South Africa to see the chaos that a black majority 
>population brings. Since the end to Apartheid and the election of Nelson Mandela as 
>president, that nation has been coming apart at the seams. It has become shockingly 
>commonplace for roving gangs of black youths,
roaming the countryside at night to attack and kill white farmers throughout South 
Africa (you won't hear that from Dan Rather!). In fact, crime has become so rampant in 
that country, that the government now refuses to issue crime statistics.
>
> The Clinton Administration seemed to have an open door policy with our 'friends' to 
>the south, and now President Bush is continuing the fiesta. In recent years, the 
>illegals crossing the border from Mexico have been doing so in record numbers. This 
>unlawful exodus has placed a terrible strain
on the school systems, emergency services, and even the social services of those 
border states. This nation's beleaguered Southwestern residents already feel as though 
they have been living in a war zone. It is also a war in which they are losing.
>
> One need only take a look at every major city in this nation which has been run by a 
>black mayor, and you will find paralyzing crime, non-existent city services, and 
>taxpayers fleeing the city for the suburbs. I can point to Los Angeles under Tom 
>Bradley, New York under David Dinkins - both of
these cities became saturated with violent crime and deteriorating living conditions.
>
> Philadelphia, New Orleans, and let us never forget Washington D.C (home to the only 
>known crackhead mayor), under the direction of black police chiefs have become 
>filthy, frightening places, leaving the taxbase no choice but to escape to the more 
>civilized world of suburbia. They run to the
suburbs, where the police come when you call them, the snow is plowed in the winter, 
and the garbage is actually picked up on time.
>
> The blame for this current and future state of affairs can be placed squarely upon 
>the shoulders of the 'great American liberal'. President Lyndon Johnson and his 
>'Great Society' programs have helped to turn a large segment of this country into 
>nothing more than a permanent welfare state. Those
same programs helped to destroy the black family, by rewarding people for not marrying 
while having more children than any reasonable person would want. The same bleeding 
hearts that advocated so fervently for the integration of our once proud public school 
system were sending their children to
lily-white private schools.
>
> We have watched our school system (which was once second to none) destroyed, due to 
>the lowering of standards necessary to accommodate the black students. We have seen 
>our business community emasculated, being told who they must hire and never fire to 
>appease the affirmative action nuts and
stave off tremendous though baseless lawsuits.
>
> This country seems to be obsessed with hiring and promoting minorities simply 
>because of the color of their skin (isn't that racism?). We are constantly bombarded 
>by the liberal new media's claim that 'diversity is our strength', and attempts by 
>black racists such as Cornell West and Jesse
Jackson to shame white Americans and equate violence with meaningful protest.
>
> I do not believe it will take another 50 years for white to become the minority in 
>this country, I also do not believe that this will be the same nation it is today. 
>Like it or not, this nation was founded by white Christians and upon the ideals in 
>which they were grounded. Will it become a
nation destroyed by white liberals? In 50 years will we have to take our place amongst 
the third world, and if so...who will be there to come to our aid? ***
> http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/gibson/qtr3/0729.htm
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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread thew
Title: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
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This racist shit makes me wanna blow chunks. I’ve pulled out just one example -


on 7/30/02 5:38 PM, ab at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Crime and drug use will cripple this nation.





The implication that blacks use more drugs per capita than whites is laughable.

Skin color is nearly irrelevant, when contrasted with crime and drug figures based on economic status.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread Tony Dickinson

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Why use the future tense ? Many a Native American asked this question
might offer answer(s) which could be very informative for you.

E.g., Residents living along parts of the Alaskan coastline ("the Last
Fronntier" ?) might be quite puzzled by this view (and even then without
reference  to the Japanese invasion and occupation of Alaska (that's some
20% of the USA !!) during WWII.

It seems to be a habit of the colonial whites, that the Nations colonised
by them are forever thereafter changed. (Though is such always for the
worst ?)

In global terms, the whites have never been the majority, nor are they
ever likely to become so. As with most, if not all great inventions and
discoveries, the skills and insights required to engineer change (albeit
environmental, technological or intellectual) have always resulted from
the researches of a few minority seekers of understanding, many of whom
just happen to be pale/white-skinned. Only when one is in an environment
without worries concerned with access to food, shelter and companionship
does the luxury of intellectualism develop and evolve. Being born to a
family with such resources (and being able to defend them !) is the key,
NOT being born 'white' per se.

In my view, most humans (of whatever skin shade) contribute little if
anything novel to the development of their own society. It is the minority
eccentrics (both constructive and destructive) who are remembered.

T.


> Will it (America) become a nation destroyed by white liberals?

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread c.
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whatever happens- it'll be worth it if only to see 
the look on archie's face.

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  What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The 
  Majority? by Dave Gibson, Columnist 
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[CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-30 Thread ab
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What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The 
Majority? by Dave Gibson, Columnist 
 
July 29, 2002 
 
We have been told, based on the most recent census 
and population forecasts that by the middle of this century, whites will become 
a minority within the United States. What does that mean for America? 

 
When the U.S. population becomes dominated by 
blacks and Hispanics, this country as we know it will cease to exist. Crime and 
drug use will cripple this nation. We will have absolutely no tax base on which 
to depend. Every item sold in this country will be imported from Europe and 
Asia. 
 
One only has to look to South Africa to see the 
chaos that a black majority population brings. Since the end to Apartheid and 
the election of Nelson Mandela as president, that nation has been coming apart 
at the seams. It has become shockingly commonplace for roving gangs of black 
youths, roaming the countryside at night to attack and kill white farmers 
throughout South Africa (you won't hear that from Dan Rather!). In fact, crime 
has become so rampant in that country, that the government now refuses to issue 
crime statistics. 
 
The Clinton Administration seemed to have an open 
door policy with our 'friends' to the south, and now President Bush is 
continuing the fiesta. In recent years, the illegals crossing the border from 
Mexico have been doing so in record numbers. This unlawful exodus has placed a 
terrible strain on the school systems, emergency services, and even the social 
services of those border states. This nation's beleaguered Southwestern 
residents already feel as though they have been living in a war zone. It is also 
a war in which they are losing. 
 
One need only take a look at every major city in 
this nation which has been run by a black mayor, and you will find paralyzing 
crime, non-existent city services, and taxpayers fleeing the city for the 
suburbs. I can point to Los Angeles under Tom Bradley, New York under David 
Dinkins - both of these cities became saturated with violent crime and 
deteriorating living conditions. 
 
Philadelphia, New Orleans, and let us never forget 
Washington D.C (home to the only known crackhead mayor), under the direction of 
black police chiefs have become filthy, frightening places, leaving the taxbase 
no choice but to escape to the more civilized world of suburbia. They run to the 
suburbs, where the police come when you call them, the snow is plowed in the 
winter, and the garbage is actually picked up on time. 
 
The blame for this current and future state of 
affairs can be placed squarely upon the shoulders of the 'great American 
liberal'. President Lyndon Johnson and his 'Great Society' programs have helped 
to turn a large segment of this country into nothing more than a permanent 
welfare state. Those same programs helped to destroy the black family, by 
rewarding people for not marrying while having more children than any reasonable 
person would want. The same bleeding hearts that advocated so fervently for the 
integration of our once proud public school system were sending their children 
to lily-white private schools. 
 
We have watched our school system (which was once 
second to none) destroyed, due to the lowering of standards necessary to 
accommodate the black students. We have seen our business community emasculated, 
being told who they must hire and never fire to appease the affirmative action 
nuts and stave off tremendous though baseless lawsuits. 
 
This country seems to be obsessed with hiring and 
promoting minorities simply because of the color of their skin (isn't that 
racism?). We are constantly bombarded by the liberal new media's claim that 
'diversity is our strength', and attempts by black racists such as Cornell West 
and Jesse Jackson to shame white Americans and equate violence with meaningful 
protest. 
 
I do not believe it will take another 50 years for 
white to become the minority in this country, I also do not believe that this 
will be the same nation it is today. Like it or not, this nation was founded by 
white Christians and upon the ideals in which they were grounded. Will it become 
a nation destroyed by white liberals? In 50 years will we have to take our place 
amongst the third world, and if so...who will be there to come to our aid? *** 
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