[CTRL] Who Was Jesus?--A Roman Agent?
-Caveat Lector- (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm) Who Was Jesus? The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls. To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7). This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law. In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man. In the book of the prophet Daniel, this false prophet is described as a king (the eleventh horn on a terrible beast) who would wage war against the Jews (the "holy ones"; see Deut. 14:2 on this term) and would change the Law including the calendar and the holidays (Daniel 7:8, 20-25). Elsewhere, this false prophet is described as a king who would disregard the G-d of his fathers, exalting himself as a god and giving honor to this new god-head (Daniel 11:36-39). The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a "king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away with the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkos the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.). He disregarded the one, infinite G-d of the Hebrew Bible in favor of a new "trinity" that included himself. And he repeatedly broke the Law by committing terrible sins, while openly challenging the G-d-given authority of the rabbis of the Sanhedrin. Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament": 1) Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.] 2) He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26). 3) He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26). 4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32, and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.] 5) Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin, repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45). The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene": 1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a). 2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish
Re: [CTRL] Who Was Jesus?--A Roman Agent?
-Caveat Lector- Interesting post, John. This reads to me, based on the style and use of language, like a piece of anti-SEMITIC disinformation, designed to discredit Judaism, not Christianity. Reminds me of the "Talmud Exposed" site that was shared with us not too long ago. I've emailed the link to some fellow researchers and I'm waiting to see if their impression jibes with mine. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who Was Jesus?--A Roman Agent?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Who Was Jesus?--A Roman Agent? -Caveat Lector- Interesting post, John. This reads to me, based on the style and use of language, like a piece of anti-SEMITIC disinformation, designed to discredit Judaism, not Christianity. Reminds me of the "Talmud Exposed" site that was shared with us not too long ago. I've emailed the link to some fellow researchers and I'm waiting to see if their impression jibes with mine. Tenorlove After reading that article, you have to wonder at the competency of its author, even to that of understanding, what one assume he or she would claim to be his own bible, the Torah. The first passages cited from the book of Deuteronomy, for example, have naught to do with a "prophecy" of some specific future wicked prophet that would arise from Israel, but simply refer to general guidance on the issue of ALL false prophets. Yet, the manner the sentence is structured is so designed in a manner to mislead the reader with the implication that the texts refer SPECIFICALLY to Jesus. Furthermore, none of the passage refer here to any such notion as the author claims for example, "would have the power of miracles" What in fact the term "a sign or a wonder," in Ch 13:1, refers to is explained IN CONTEXT by verse 2, "the sign or the wonder COME TO PASS" i.e. it specifically refers to PROPHECY and NOT "the power of miracles," as is wrongly claimed. This initial misleading, in my opinion, sets the tone for the rest of the disinformation in the article. Another example: The author claims, "1) Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19)." Unfortunately for the wrirter of the article, Jesus in fact, did no such thing. The reference given is, (Mark 7:18-19), which in fact is oft misunderstood, even by Christians, to suggest that Jesus made all "unclean" meats, "clean." This in fact is not the case. Here is the passage in a modern translation: "Food doesn't come in contact with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.)" New Living Translation of Mark 7:19. The words bracketed, are in brackets for a reason! They DO NOT, in fact appear in the ORIGINAL biblical texts, and are inserted there as a "guide," to the reader by the translators. So, in fact, Jesus NEVER said "By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable." To add weight to this point, the Jew Peter, a Christian convert and a close companion of Jesus, REFUSED to eat "UNCLEAN" meats, and this is described in the book of Acts, written DECADES after the death of Jesus. Now one would assume that Peter, a close comrade, would have clearly understood, Jesus' teachings on "unclean" meats, yet MANY years after Jesus death, Peter says, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean." Acts 10:14 What Jesus spoke of was "spiritual defilement" of the heart and mind, and not PHYSICAL "uncleanness." I could go on a write a refutation for point by point, but i think you got the drift of the article? I agree with Tenorlove, this is a biased unscholarly piece of disinformation. Most likely posted by zealous Far Right Extremists, who wish to paint ALL Jews as intolerant and bigoted and seeking "to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law," which apparently means KILLING all "false prophets" and death to all who do not worship there unnameable"G-d." __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMA
