-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/10/01 10:01:52 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hello all, > > I'm interested in the CNP, and very interested in this list's stated > purpose. Hi Deborah, what's the CNP? > Have you tried to > protest Bush? You're roped off, made invisible as his puppet supporters are > bused in -- and they are what the media shows on the tube. 'Least that's > what happened her in KC. So -- sure lookin like Germany in the the 1930's > to me. It looks like Germany in the 30's to me too. Yesterday, I read an article about the "Bush protesting" phenomenon, because the same thing just happened in Green Bay, WI. (Article below.) > Info is out there, along with big > fat vats and tubs of misinfo -- especially on the internet. What we need is > serious research and hard info, else it all becomes the x files real quick. > I hope that's what you're all about here. I hope you will contribute what you've discovered after sorting through the vats of disinfo. In my opinion, this list has a lot of everything: from good info to highly deleteable info. It can be frustrating to slog through everything that's presented, but there are enough gems here to keep me coming back, at least. Samantha ----------- Subj: EVERYDAY, THEY ARE CHIPPING AWAY AT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES Date: 9/9/01 10:55:54 AM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BuzzFlash.com) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";> [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> BuzzFlash.com found this column by Tom Perry of the Green Bay (Wisconsin) Press-Gazzette so compelling that we are forwarding it to you as an alert. (View at http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_1089575.shtml) Tom Perry column: Free speech squelched during visit Even a few days after the fact, Congressman Mark Green was still excited about riding with President Bush in his limo. “It was fun. A lot fun,’’ Green said Thursday in a phone conversation from Washington. For Green, getting to travel the road from here to Kaukauna and back with the president had to be something of a political and personal slam-dunk. There are 535 members of Congress. A lot of them, including Republicans, will never get as much face time with the president as Green did on Labor Day. Troubling aspect As the Congressman and other ardent Republicans continue to bask in the afterglow of Monday’s presidential visit, I continue to be troubled by one aspect of the event. The fact that no one was allowed to bring signs to the edge of the tarmac infringed on the rights of free expression that we are guaranteed by the Constitution. The fact that protesters were forbidden to go anywhere near Monday’s event trampled on the rights of Americans to free and peaceful assembly. Indeed, protesters were kept so far away that they might as well have been across Wisconsin 172 playing the slot machines at Oneida Bingo & Casino. As a result, an official visit by a sitting president, which was paid for by taxpayers, turned into little more than a political rally for one select group in lockstep with Republican ideology. In contrast, when former Vice President Al Gore spoke at Bay Beach Amusement Park last summer, sign-carrying protesters and hecklers were on the lawn well within view and earshot of Democratic Party supporters. Green explained on Thursday that the details for presidential visits are worked out between the Secret Service and local law-enforcement agencies. “All of the steps that were taken, all of the decisions that were made were not political,’’ Green said. In other words, security concerns override everything else, including the fundamental rights of individuals. The Secret Service and law-enforcement agencies have a tough job, especially in these times, when there are so many nut cases around. But sometimes I feel as if excessive paranoia is being used as a tool to suppress lawful and legal dissent. Bit by bit, it seems, agencies of our government are chipping away at basic liberties, creating an atmosphere of intolerance toward difference of opinion. Something lost “I’ll say I think it’s unfortunate,’’ Green said. “I don’t know if we’ve become so security conscious that we’ve lost something.’’ Indeed, what we’ve lost is a sense that we have to work extra hard to protect Constitutional rights. As a nation, we keep making it easier and easier for law-enforcement agencies to hide behind the phrase “legitimate safety concerns’’ as they slice away at civil liberties. Now I don’t know if President Bush feels the same way as I do about this. But maybe if Mark Green ever gets to ride in the presidential limo again, he’ll bring up the issue. 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