Re: [CTRL] [2] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to

1999-04-10 Thread Gerry Forbes

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Howard Davis wrote:


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Kris Millegan wrote:

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 Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
 ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984

[snip]

 It was
 only t}he adoption of the Constitution in 1787 which undercut these projects.
 As soon as the document was sent to the states for ratification, Albert:
 Gallatin became the mastermind of the Pennsylvania opposition forces. John
 Smilie, a Gallatin lieutenant, was the floor leader of the
 anti-ratificationists in the state convention. Smilie condemned the
 Constitution for "inviting rather than guarding against the approaches of
 tyranny," and what he said was its "tendency to a consolidations not a
 confederation, of the states." Gallatin lost; Pennsylvania ratified by a
 two-to-one majority.

Well, was he wrong? It certainly looks to me like it has "invited rather
than guarding against the approaches of tyranny".


Howard Davis


from Who Got Einstein's Office? by Ed Regis:

"...In an account of Godel's life and work, mathematician
Solomon Feferman describes how Godel almost did himself out
of American citizenship. For this an oral examination was
required, and so Godel studied the United States Constitution.
He noticed that, well...it had quite a few problems. For one
thing, there were some contradictions in it. And for another,
if you really looked closely enough, you'd find that the
United States -quite legally!- could be turned into a
dictatorship. He confided these discoveries to his friend,
Oskar Morgenstern, who told him that he could not mention
any of this at his citizenship examination.

"On April 2, 1948, Godel showed up at the government offices
in Trenton, accompanied by Einstein and Morgenstern who were
there as witnesses. On the drive down to Trenton, Einstein kept
telling a bunch of stories and anecdotes to keep Godel's mind
off the logical problems of the American Constitution. But then
the proceeding began. 'Up to now you have held German
citizenship,...' the official began, but Godel jumped in and
corrected this immediately. He was Austrian, not German.
'Anyhow,' the official continued, 'it was under an evil dictator-
ship, but fortunately that's not possible in America...'

" 'On the contrary,' Godel cried out, 'I know how that can
happen!' Finally, though, Einstein and Morgenstern succeeded in
restraining Godel long enough for him to be examined and duly
sworn in as a citizen of the United States."


Constitution worshippers make me a bit uneasy (but, as a
foreigner, I won't take them to task -or Rambouillet- over it.
Anyways, it's not just an American problem). Nevertheless,
even if it isn't a great document, it is a common one so I
figured the best solution was for America to abide by the
damn thing long enough to find out what its actual flaws were.

Now I'm not so sure; maybe it has been followed all too well.
Anybody know Godel's "proof"? The original source is:
Feferman, Solomon, et al. (eds.) Kurt Godel: Collected Works.
Volume 1: Publications 1929-1936. Oxford: Oxford University
Press, 1986. which includes Feferman's biographical essay on
Godel.

Gerry

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Re: [CTRL] [2] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to AverellHarriman

1999-04-08 Thread Kris Millegan

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This appears to be a front for Larouche. Am I wrong?

Chaitkan has written for Larouchian publications.  But that doesn't
invalidate his research and leads. I found Treason in America to be a very
interesting book and well source, so one can follow-up and study for oneself.

If its dis/mis, there is still much to learn.

Om
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