Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 5:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? FWP. >> I can't speak for AOL but as for this list the reason that it does not allow discussion of holocaust denial is very simple, we had a bad experience with a bunch of disrupters who were trying to turn the list into an Aryan nations rag and Jew hater list. They dominated the forum and in an effort, after much careful consideration and many miles of rope were given to them, to take back control they were ejected from the list and the disclaimer was added. Many who were on board then will tell you the same thing. I am refuting your allegation, as to this list but as I said I have nothing to say in defense of AOL. Holocaust denial and nazi propagandizers are not permitted and posts of that nature are disallowed on this list. Proselytizing is forbidden because many posts that dealt with religious conspiracy had many people quoting the Bible at length and telling people on this forum that their souls were going to burn in hell and that they better shape up. Invariably when these people were confronted with contradictory information regarding their beliefs they just resorted to "God said" and declared themselves the winner and everyone else doomed. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument. Things would degrade to personal attack and diatribes which have no place here. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 2/6/99 5:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free > speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy > to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others > expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? > FWP. >> > > I can't speak for AOL You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not allow you to continue with this schlock!!! Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL censorship. FWP. but as for this list the reason that it does not allow > discussion of holocaust denial is very simple, we had a bad experience with a > bunch of disrupters who were trying to turn the list into an Aryan nations rag > and Jew hater list. They dominated the forum and in an effort, after much > careful consideration and many miles of rope were given to them, to take back > control they were ejected from the list and the disclaimer was added. Many > who were on board then will tell you the same thing. I am refuting your > allegation, as to this list but as I said I have nothing to say in defense of > AOL. Holocaust denial and nazi propagandizers are not permitted and posts of > that nature are disallowed on this list. Proselytizing is forbidden because > many posts that dealt with religious conspiracy had many people quoting the > Bible at length and telling people on this forum that their souls were going > to burn in hell and that they better shape up. Invariably when these people > were confronted with contradictory information regarding their beliefs they > just resorted to "God said" and declared themselves the winner and everyone > else doomed. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is > not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their > position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal > belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument. Things > would degrade to personal attack and diatribes which have no place here. > Teo1000 > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe Future-Cities" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not allow you to continue with this schlock!!! Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL censorship. FWP. >> AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship to a group that you believe is censored? Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: > In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents > is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST > without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not > allow you to continue with this schlock!!! > Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL > censorship. > FWP. >> > > AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the > fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is > correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is > correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately > have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as > you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship > to a group that you believe is censored? > Teo1000 > Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > << You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents > > is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST > > without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not > > allow you to continue with this schlock!!! > > Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL > > censorship. > > FWP. >> > > > > AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the > > fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is > > correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is > > correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately > > have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as > > you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship > > to a group that you believe is censored? > > Teo1000 > > > Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your > whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I > care! > FWP. FWP, -- AOL does not seem to have to censer us. We seem to be able to see, the people that would need to use someone else's brain to be able to have a thought. Your vocabulary is deplorable, Your ideas are out of some mired in pig pen (that also smells)! May a thousand camels make a pit stop at your tent, and leave you a additional present of their fleas. Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? As far as the list, it seems as if the ones that would complain about it, are the ones that would like to take it over. To them something that is this good a collaboration, that works this well should be able to be taken over - by a hostile take over, leveraged buy out or something. There are always some that can not follow the rules, or want to make the ones in control think that something is wrong. Wait a minute! This makes me think of many University degrees. In olden times, in some places (in this century) Universities believed in a comprehensive curriculum. Buy a degree, like Bush Sr. did? This list seems to be something that you do not see in a University, Free Thinkers that talk about all subjects with all people. Universities specialize, some advocate testing at the grade school level to make sure that students are not allowed to have a broad background. This list is the opposite of that, and I would not change a thing. If we have some fussing like this we must be doing something right. Can he go now??? aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, 1lls0081 wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > << You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents > > > is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST > > > without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not > > > allow you to continue with this schlock!!! > > > Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL > > > censorship. > > > FWP. >> > > > > > > AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the > > > fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is > > > correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is > > > correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately > > > have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as > > > you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship > > > to a group that you believe is censored? > > > Teo1000 > > > > > Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your > > whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I > > care! > > FWP. > > FWP, -- AOL does not seem to have to censer us. We seem to be able to see, the > people that would need to use someone else's brain to be able to have a thought. > Your vocabulary is deplorable, Your ideas are out of some mired in pig pen (that > also smells)! > > May a thousand camels make a pit stop at your tent, > and leave you a additional present of their fleas. > > Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? > > As far as the list, it seems as if the ones that would complain about it, are the > ones that would like to take it over. To them something that is this good a > collaboration, that works this well should be able to be taken over - by a hostile > take over, leveraged buy out or something. There are always some that can not > follow the rules, or want to make the ones in control think that something is > wrong. > > Wait a minute! This makes me think of many University degrees. In olden times, > in some places (in this century) Universities believed in a comprehensive > curriculum. Buy a degree, like Bush Sr. did? This list seems to be something > that you do not see in a University, Free Thinkers that talk about all subjects > with all people. Universities specialize, some advocate testing at the grade > school level to make sure that students are not allowed to have a broad > background. This list is the opposite of that, and I would not change a thing. > If we have some fussing like this we must be doing something right. Can he go > now??? > > aka The Pied Piper > Dear Pie (as in Cow Pie): No you don't have to be bothered by someone with at least half a brain. Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY". And be good little sheep and believe that "lists" like this are exercises in free speech. I would rather believe in the tooth fairy. You can believe in Barney Frank as you do now. FWP. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-07 01:12:00 EST, you write: << Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your > whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I > care! > FWP >> Just from looking at his CC list (Henry Ayre and 13Teaxan), it is appaent he is in with the same crowd that got bounced about a year ago for their praise of Hitler etc. etc. Like I really care about some nut in BC. Stay in Canada fwp. Consider the source, wish I could block his posts. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- > > > Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your > > > whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I > > > care! > > > FWP. > > > > FWP, -- AOL does not seem to have to censer us. We seem to be able to see, the > > people that would need to use someone else's brain to be able to have a thought. > > Your vocabulary is deplorable, Your ideas are out of some mired in pig pen (that > > also smells)! > > > > May a thousand camels make a pit stop at your tent, > > and leave you a additional present of their fleas. > > > > Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? > > > > As far as the list, it seems as if the ones that would complain about it, are the > > ones that would like to take it over. To them something that is this good a > > collaboration, that works this well should be able to be taken over - by a hostile > > take over, leveraged buy out or something. There are always some that can not > > follow the rules, or want to make the ones in control think that something is > > wrong. > > > > Wait a minute! This makes me think of many University degrees. In olden times, > > in some places (in this century) Universities believed in a comprehensive > > curriculum. Buy a degree, like Bush Sr. did? This list seems to be something > > that you do not see in a University, Free Thinkers that talk about all subjects > > with all people. Universities specialize, some advocate testing at the grade > > school level to make sure that students are not allowed to have a broad > > background. This list is the opposite of that, and I would not change a thing. > > If we have some fussing like this we must be doing something right. Can he go > > now??? > > > > aka The Pied Piper > > > Dear Pie (as in Cow Pie): No you don't have to be bothered by someone with > at least half a brain. Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY". And be good > little sheep and believe that "lists" like this are exercises in free > speech. I would rather believe in the tooth fairy. You can believe in > Barney Frank as you do now. > FWP. > Thank You, Cow Pies have been known to be used for building, fuel, and to help some fall flat on their faces. As far as you assuming what I think and believe, so you think you are so good that you should have control here and tell us the facts of life? Kinda like porno movies, When that is all you can teach, you need to make a big deal of something that is easy to find and do. Sounds like Clinton>? >>Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY"<< This sounds like someone that does not like something so they want to put it into a stereotype. Would you seriously keep someone like you on a discussion list, if the list was not for dis- CUSS - ion? Break is over for me, this "Pie" needs to light a fire under some other work. You could use a dictionary and broaden your vocabulary. BYE aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Bob Stokes wrote: > Just from looking at his CC list (Henry Ayre and 13Teaxan), it is appaent > he is in with the same crowd that got bounced about a year ago for their > praise of Hitler etc. etc. Like I really care about some nut in BC. Stay in > Canada fwp. Nay O' tp of Americanism. Pops Ayre knows all and sees all with "his head in the cool, cool North" (Alaska) as the pop song words say. Mind you his head is sometimes shoved up the ass of a frozen sled dog but that is another story. The cryogenics boys will figure out how to thaw out poor old Getafix. > Consider the source, wish I could block his posts. > Spoken like a true AOL free speech loving "prawn". THIS LIST IS A CONSPIRACY FWP. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 12:30:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. >> Thanks for the well reasoned debate. Your comments are always so enlightening. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 1:23:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I have your > > whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I > > care! > > FWP. >> Hey I guess we can all pack it in now since he has uncovered our "made-in- America" scam. Well, it was a good scam for a while but good old FWP has uncovered our nefarious activities. I'll go report everything to the AOL Secret Police now and then we can close shop. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 10:23:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: <> FWP , You have got your wish. Bye-bye. Om K DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Franklin, I have been removed from 2 lists because my views were considered "disruptive". This word disruptive is a catch-all term that can mean whatever a list owner wants it to mean. I think you are quite right in your appraisal of the danger here. Eric Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free > speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy > to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others > expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? > FWP. > > -- Forwarded message -- > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:34:43 -0800 (PST) > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [BCPolitics] Internet Suppression. > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear UniversalAccess-Canada List: > Do you think that with a US invasion of Yugoslavia looming we could be > seeing the prospect of a major suppression of free speech on the internet? > How could it be done? I would say it would be a "psyop" in which > dissidents would be provoked repeatedly by "plants" on the lists > (moderators and/or subscribers) into flame wars leading to violations of > "netiquette", real or made up and then complaints to ISP's. It is at the > ISP level that those "guilty" of "bad netiquette" would be shut down and > even black listed as they try to get service from another ISP. I can't > prove this theory yet but I have been getting a lot of recent reports > which fit this paradigm. > FWP. > > *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe Future-Cities" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Is it not possible to ignore the so-called "disrupters"? The question is obvious rhetorical. Of course they can be ignored. If they are ignored, they will eventually go away. This is the better solution. Eric Teo One Thousand wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 2/6/99 5:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free > speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy > to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others > expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? > FWP. >> > > I can't speak for AOL but as for this list the reason that it does not allow > discussion of holocaust denial is very simple, we had a bad experience with a > bunch of disrupters who were trying to turn the list into an Aryan nations rag > and Jew hater list. They dominated the forum and in an effort, after much > careful consideration and many miles of rope were given to them, to take back > control they were ejected from the list and the disclaimer was added. Many > who were on board then will tell you the same thing. I am refuting your > allegation, as to this list but as I said I have nothing to say in defense of > AOL. Holocaust denial and nazi propagandizers are not permitted and posts of > that nature are disallowed on this list. Proselytizing is forbidden because > many posts that dealt with religious conspiracy had many people quoting the > Bible at length and telling people on this forum that their souls were going > to burn in hell and that they better shape up. Invariably when these people > were confronted with contradictory information regarding their beliefs they > just resorted to "God said" and declared themselves the winner and everyone > else doomed. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is > not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their > position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal > belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument. Things > would degrade to personal attack and diatribes which have no place here. > Teo1000 > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- I can empathize with this statement! Still as far as CTRL is concerned, we are not a debate list.. Overall, we throw out ideas and news and wait to see if someone else is capable of finding or if they know something that disproves it. To give you an idea - recently a box of Beetles photos were found in an attic. This lead to the playing of John Lennin's song about everyone being the same (I forget the tile). To me the 1960's were a time when people were fighting big business to evolve to the next era. Live and Let Live, Viva La Difference! Think of John Denver (born of a Air Force Test Pilot - what security clearance did his dad have), Coustou, Isaac Asimov, Jaclyn Kennedy. These people are gone. What would they have been able to add to this list? What did they know that they would have been told "Now is not the time." That Kennedy's death was to keep us from looking at what was really happening? Where are the tax credits for solar energy (are they still there?) are there as many companies that are capable of researching solar energy? They are going to air a special on Kennedy tonight, how are they attempting to write history for the current generation? What was the real battle at that time? Does anyone hear anything about MSG nowadays. Not to long ago it was a major thing to keep it out of the food chain since it can excite brain cells to death. I apologize for those that think of Kennedy as a shining part of the past - but his death was just to side track people from the real issues. He was nothing more than the current president during a time that this country was attempting to go forward. Going forward in that was would have meant that they big corporations would not have had their monopolies. So what do we have now? The World Bank. Others that are (currently) still alive: Were they just singing the songs that would sell, or could it be that they saw enough of what was happening that if asked (from this mind set) that they might be able to tell you what kind of propaganda has been Fosted on us? Michael Martin Murphy "Osmosis", Michael McDonald-Kenny Loggins, Dolly Parton, Queen, The Beach Boys. Add Ross Perot and ex-TX-speaker of the house White -- from their angle, what would they see in this post - in this list? Last question - why would people want to shut us list(s) like this? When they come on list, will we bow to them? Will we recognize them or will we think that we are not good enough, out of step with the times, that their criticisms are justified? Will this list be efficient like the Nazis or effective like the Founding Fathers? I would rather be effective than efficient, I abore efficiency, because it does not usually only allows limited growth in one area. It makes the company reorganize often, as soon as the company gets to be a certain size it realizes that it needs more ideas and has to go outside the company to get them since they have kicked out all those inefficient people that they could not completely utilize at that time. Please excuse the number of threads in one post. aka The Pied Piper http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm a cut and paste research site on ADD / ADHD / Chemicals and how these things effect education. Eric Roberts wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Franklin, > I have been removed from 2 lists because my views were considered "disruptive". > This word disruptive is a catch-all term that can mean whatever a list owner wants > it to mean. > I think you are quite right in your appraisal of the danger here. > Eric > > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free > > speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy > > to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others > > expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? > > FWP. > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:34:43 -0800 (PST) > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [BCPolitics] Internet Suppression. > > > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Dear UniversalAccess-Canada List: > > Do you think that with a US invasion of Yugoslavia looming we could be > > seeing the prospect of a major suppression of free speech on the internet? > > How could it be done? I would say it would be a "psyop" in which > > dissidents would be provoked repeatedly by "plants" on the lists > > (moderators and/or subscribers) into flame wars leading to violations of > > "netiquette", real or made up and then complaints to ISP's. It is at the > > ISP level that those "guilty" of "bad netiquette" would be shut down and > > even black listed as they try to get service from another ISP. I can't > > prove this theory yet but I have been getting a lot of recent reports > > which fit t
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Laura wrote: Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? == AS: It seems that he could fulfill his own prophecy by being so abrasive that he IS removed and then he can go about in perfect maintenance of his conspiracy theory that this list is a conspiracy. I am sure, judging from his demeanor, that he would feel entirely justified in his suppositions if this were to happen. This brings me to this: If someone blasts into a room in which a debate is occuring and starts screaming "DON'T YOU DARE CENSOR ME" and then sets about making personal attacks left and right (no pun intended), well, even my radically free-speech-oriented philosophies must be set aside in order that I may put on my steel toes and start KICKIN' THIS DUDE TO THE CURB, IMHO. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 11:24:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << <> FWP , You have got your wish. Bye-bye. Om K >> FWP has perpetrated the best case of self fulfilling prophecy I have ever seen. First be rude and idiotic to such an extent that you annoy everyone. Second complain that the list is censored and that all "dissent" is taken away by unsubscribing them to the list. When he has offended one too many times he is unsubbed, and his prophecy has been fulfilled. He probably will have a great time with all his buddies saying how he got "censored" for his fight for the truth on the bad old CTRL list. Sad. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 12:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Franklin, I have been removed from 2 lists because my views were considered "disruptive". This word disruptive is a catch-all term that can mean whatever a list owner wants it to mean. I think you are quite right in your appraisal of the danger here. Eric >> Read the disclaimer. Realize that this list belongs to someone else and that you are here at his pleasure. THEN, if you don't like it go somewhere else or start your own list. Simple, isn't it. Now as far as disruptive goes, FWP has resorted to name calling and telling people to "fuck off". He has not stayed on topic and has brought personal attacks to the debate. He was warned by the list owner and has now been unsubscribed. No doubt he believes he was silenced by our conspiracy to hide the truth, which he continually asserted and would just as continually say nothing in support of except name calling and innuendo. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 12:56:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Is it not possible to ignore the so-called "disrupters"? The question is obvious rhetorical. Of course they can be ignored. If they are ignored, they will eventually go away. This is the better solution. Eric >> No it is not possible when they dominate the lists 100 post per day limit.. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- I don't like or appreciate the way FWP is going about this BUT...could he have a point? Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Bob Stokes wrote: > >> Just from looking at his CC list (Henry Ayre and 13Teaxan), it is appaent >> he is in with the same crowd that got bounced about a year ago for their >> praise of Hitler etc. etc. Like I really care about some nut in BC. Stay in >> Canada fwp. > >Nay O' tp of Americanism. Pops Ayre knows all and sees all with "his head >in the cool, cool North" (Alaska) as the pop song words say. Mind you his >head is sometimes shoved up the ass of a frozen sled dog but that is >another story. The cryogenics boys will figure out how to thaw out poor >old Getafix. > >> Consider the source, wish I could block his posts. >> >Spoken like a true AOL free speech loving "prawn". > >THIS LIST IS A CONSPIRACY > >FWP. > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- >>>Invariably when these people were confronted with contradictory information regarding their beliefs they just resorted to "God said" and declared themselves the winner and everyone else doomed. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument. Things would degrade to personal attack and diatribes which have no place here. Teo1000<<< I don't think it fair to simply say that we respond to contridictive "proof" with "God said." Each and every time I've backed my position with evidence. Biblical as well as World Historical. >>>THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument<<< You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational argument email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it with you, or anyone. On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the Biblical God? Jamie DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 8:54:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >>>Invariably when these people were confronted with contradictory information regarding their beliefs they just resorted to "God said" and declared themselves the winner and everyone else doomed. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument. Things would degrade to personal attack and diatribes which have no place here. Teo1000<<< I don't think it fair to simply say that we respond to contridictive "proof" with "God said." Each and every time I've backed my position with evidence. Biblical as well as World Historical. >>>THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument<<< You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational argument email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it with you, or anyone. On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the Biblical God? Jamie >> Jamie. I do not include everyone in this pronouncement, obviously. I don't assume anyone is wrong, my assertion is that due to it's nature and the fact that it relies upon personal belief and faith that the position of those who hold strong religious views are convinced that OTHERS are wrong, if they disagree with their religious viewpoint. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Feb 99, , Stopforth, wrote: > You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational argument > email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it with > you, or anyone. > > On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the > Biblical God? > There are many lists and groups on AOL where you can go to discuss Christianity and the Biblical God. This is not one of them. sno0wl DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. Richard B. Sno0wl wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >On 8 Feb 99, , Stopforth, wrote: > >> You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational argument >> email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it with >> you, or anyone. >> >> On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the >> Biblical God? >> > >There are many lists and groups on AOL where you can go to discuss >Christianity and >the Biblical God. This is not one of them. > >sno0wl > >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >== >CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic >screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters >and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright >frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects >spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL >gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; >be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and >nazi's need not apply. > >Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > >Archives Available at: >http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > >http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > >To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Om > >RFC822 header >--- > >Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk > (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA146 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:38:57 + >Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT >v1.1a) with >SMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:51:46 -0500 >Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8d) with spool id 23387682 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 8 Feb > 1999 11:51:46 -0500 >Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net > [207.217.120.12]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id > LAA15347 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:51:45 -0500 > (EST) >Received: from LOCALNAME (sdn-ar-002nyglenP334.dialsprint.net > [168.191.118.112]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) > with SMTP id IAA06963; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:51:40 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01a) >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:50:57 + >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Sno0wl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy? >Comments: To: "Stopforth, Jamie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Notice I said "email *ME*." Don't blame me for others that took it to the list, and also for selective reading on your part. It's always the Christians fault isn't it? :) Jamie > -Original Message- > From: Sno0wl [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 3:51 AM > To: Stopforth, Jamie; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy? > > On 8 Feb 99, , Stopforth, wrote: > > > You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational > argument > > email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it > with > > you, or anyone. > > > > On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the > > Biblical God? > > > > There are many lists and groups on AOL where you can go to discuss > Christianity and > the Biblical God. This is not one of them. > > sno0wl DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Feb 99, , Source wrote: > Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have > to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. Yes, but dear Richard, we've already been there, done thatand it was a total waste of time for all concerned. sno0wl DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >On 8 Feb 99, , Source wrote: > >> Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have >> to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. > >Yes, but dear Richard, we've already been there, done thatand it was a >total waste >of time for all concerned. >sno0wl Very true, i just had to say it and get it out of my system. Any opportunity to have a dig at organised religion :-) DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
