Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- Isn't it odd. I found the opinion right on. I guess I notice because I have to pay for any information from the so called liberal left while the conservative bent is everywhere. It's available in any waiting room, news stand, local paper, local radio, almost all talk radio, television. In fact it's really hard to avoid the opinions of the far right, while the liberal story is almost impossible to find. If you watch for it carefully, C-SPAN has some occasionally, but the next time you sit in a waiting room and find The Nation, UTNE Reader or even Mother Jones, please tell us where that waiting room can be located. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- Yes, it does appear that the writer is out of touch with reality. And the proof of this is? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/23/01 10:07:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the proof of this is? Do you have proof that he is not. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- Do you have proof that he is not. He presented his case well. You have not presented your case at all. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/23/01 2:07:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have proof that he is not. He presented his case well. You have not presented your case at all. You still have not presented proof that he is not. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- Appeals to ignorance and the burden of proof http://members.aol.com/jimn469897/ignorance.htm The basis of a an appeal to ignorance (also called argumentum ad ignoratium or argument from ignorance, see Walton) is that whatever has not been disproved must be correct. The problem with this type of argument can be seen in these two examples: No one has ever proved that the Loch Ness Monster exists, so it must not exist. No one has ever proved that the Loch Ness Monster does not exist, so it must exist. These arguments are contradictory, only one can be true and it is not possible to tell which one it is. Such an argument proves nothing, its main effect is to shift the burden of proof. (Stated properly, an appeal to ignorance is not a fallacy. This statement is perfectly good but of course does not prove that nessie does not exist: Numerous searches of the loch have been made and no monster has ever been found. And the evidence for the monster has been shown to be fake or caused by natural phenomena. We can reasonably assume that there is no Loch Ness Monster.) More example of appeals to ignorance: No one has ever proved that silicon breast implants (or electromagnetic fields or whatever) are safe. No one has ever proved that silicon breast implants are unsafe. Senator Joseph McCarthy (from Walton pages 3-4): I do not have much information on this except the general statement of the agency that there is nothing in the files to disprove his Communist connections. Of course a lack of proof that someone is not a Communist is not proof that they are a communist. I do not know that this gun is unloaded, so I will assume that it is loaded. This is an example of the precautionary principle. In the face of a lack of knowledge it is better to be safe than sorry. A special case is what I call an appeal to personal ignorance. In this case the author does not know of proof for (or against) an argument, and so assumes that no such proof exists. Dixy Lee Ray (with Lou Guzzo) was particularly good at making this type of argument. In Environmental Overkill (page 35) she wrote: How does CFC rise when its molecules are four to eight times heavier than air? All experience with freon and related CFCs shows that they are non-volatile and so heavy that you can pour CFCs from a container and if some of them spill, they will collect at the lowest point on the ground where soil bacterial will decompose them. Of course, some molecules will be caught in upward air eddies or otherwise carried upwards, but this is a very small fraction of the total. She does not appear to have made any effort to answer the question in the first sentence. She did not consult with any atmospheric scientists, or check any reference work, scientific paper or government report. Instead she simply assumed that no known mechanism existed. (This claim has been debunked several times, see Parson, Rowland) Also on page 35 she wrote We do not know how these heavier-than-air molecules cross the equatorial counter currents to accumulate at the South Pole and do the most ozone destruction there. If by we she meant co-author Guzzo and herself then she is probable right. But if by we she meant the scientific community then she is very wrong (Parson ) (and CFCs simply do not accumulate at the South Pole). Burden of Proof In general, it is up to the person making an argument to try to prove it. Of course, there are special cases where the burden of proof is assigned. In criminal court cases (in the United States) it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. With chemicals and other manufactured products it was at one time up to the public to show that the products were unsafe. Over time, the burden of proof has been shifting to the manufacturers to prove safety. For example, pharmaceuticals must be proven to be safe and effective before they are permitted. Most environmentalists would like to see the burden of proof shifted to the manufacturers for all types of products (the precautionary principle). Things to remember In general, it is up to the person making a claim to try to prove it. Do not be tricked into trying to disprove someone else's claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Absolute certainty is not required to set public policy (in fact, there is no such thing as absolute scientific certainty). We do not have to prove that ozone depletion or global warming are real, or that the Bermuda Triangle is not real, to set public policy. -end- At 05:26 PM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/23/01 2:07:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have proof that he is not. He presented his case well. You have not presented your case at all. You still have not presented proof that he is not. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
In a message dated 5/23/01 12:07:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, it does appear that the writer is out of touch with reality. And the proof of this is? The "proof" in their eyes is that Rush says that the media is "liberal" and that's that. Any paradigm shifting or REAL examination of the evidence is over their heads and simply ain't gonna' happen. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- A wild coincidence that this article mentions nessie? Appeals to ignorance and the burden of proof http://members.aol.com/jimn469897/ignorance.htm The basis of a an appeal to ignorance (also called argumentum ad ignoratium or argument from ignorance, see Walton) is that whatever has not been disproved must be correct. The problem with this type of argument can be seen in these two examples: No one has ever proved that the Loch Ness Monster exists, so it must not exist. No one has ever proved that the Loch Ness Monster does not exist, so it must exist. These arguments are contradictory, only one can be true and it is not possible to tell which one it is. Such an argument proves nothing, its main effect is to shift the burden of proof. (Stated properly, an appeal to ignorance is not a fallacy. This statement is perfectly good but of course does not prove that nessie does not exist: Numerous searches of the loch have been made and no monster has ever been found. And the evidence for the monster has been shown to be fake or caused by natural phenomena. We can reasonably assume that there is no Loch Ness Monster.) = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Men are jerks. Women are psychotic. -- Kurt Vonnegut (in Timequake) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/23/01 3:30:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Always entertaining to try and prove a negative Well... Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/23/01 4:00:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Men are jerks. Women are psychotic. -- Kurt Vonnegut (in Timequake) This is really insightful. Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- A wild coincidence that this article mentions nessie? That's Loch Ness. I'm Bob Ness. We're cousins. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- This is really insightful. Indeed. But what about: Well... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
-Caveat Lector- Surely the writer wrote this while high on drugs.TOTALLY BACKWARDS, UPSIDE DOWN and UNTRUE! On Tue, 22 May 2001 13:08:40 -0700 radman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Tuesday, May 22, 2001 Big media pushes news to the far right http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/default.jsp?story=OPfuchs0506w The biggest lie fed the American people by conservative pundits is that the United States is dominated by the liberal media. As if Rupert Murdoch, Michael Eisner, General Electric, Time-Warner AOL and Viacom are owned and operated by liberals. Not only are these folks ultra-conservatives, but the people they hire to voice their opinions are so far to the right, they give independent journalism a dirty name. No, my friends, the corporate media is in the hands of right-wing kooks parading as moderates and pushing the political envelope further and further to the right. That great political scientist Hannah Arendt said American democracy would live or die as a result of the marketplace of ideas. If the marketplace is closed down because one political philosophy predominates, than democracy will die. And that has happened over a period of time because of the burgeoning power of media conglomerates and the destruction of independent journalism. Now we are about to see another major assault on media journalism by the Federal Communications Commission. The new chair of the FCC is Michael Powell, the son of Colin Powell. For decades the Supreme Court has ruled that no media company should own more than one medium in a market and that television market penetration should be limited to no more than 35 percent. That ruling helped provide competition in the marketplace and a diversity of ideas. The rulings also prohibited cross-ownership of radio, newspapers and television in the same market. But now the FCC and the appeals courts have become sympathetic to the free speech rights of corporations and more skeptical of the role of government in promoting diversity in the mass media. Of course, the nation's largest TV networks, cable companies and other media businesses have become powerful financial contributors to political parties. Powell is invoking free speech in his interpretation of the rules governing broadcast restrictions. He objects to the government imposing rules that limit how many people one company can talk to. He says, There is something offensive to First Amendment values about that limitation. The FCC will review this rule and determine what modifications are warranted. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has a case before it that involves just that issue as Viacom, Inc., the parent company of CBS, finds out whether it has to divest stations to come in compliance with the 35 percent cap. Earlier this year the D.C. appeals court threw out similar restrictions on cable TV companies, an action many believe signaled a change in the networks' war against the broadcast limit. In that case the court determined that limiting the number of subscribers one company can reach, impeded too heavily on free speech. And within a few weeks officials at the FCC said the agency will begin to loosen a 26-year-old regulation restricting a company from owning a television station and a newspaper in the same market. Some consumer groups have denounced the court's decision, saying it would further concentrate media power in many markets with limited competition, sharply reducing the diversity of viewpoints on the airwaves and diminishing the number of companies. These rules, which the courts and Powell want to do away with, have protected the American public's access to news, information and programming reflecting many political views, different perspectives and tastes. The erosion of these protections means that the ultra-conservatives will not only dominate the airwaves, but monopolize it. What Powell and the courts are missing in all this is that since the beginning of radio, the federal government has regulated the airwaves, taking the unequivocal position that it belongs to the people, not to the corporations. Businesses were allowed to broadcast using the airwaves as long as they maintained certain rules and standards. People like Rush Limbaugh could never make it on radio because of a rule that gave equal time to persons to respond to political attacks by commentators. Radio commentators were very careful in how they broached their attacks in the old days. That rule went out when Ronald Reagan became president and Democrats in Congress agreed to the change. Perhaps the best example of where the media in this country is headed is best illustrated by Jane Akre and Steve Wilson. They won the Goldman Environmental Prize for trying to report on the potentially cancerous, genetically modified hormone rBGH in milk. Under pressure from Monsanto, the manufacturer, Fox
Re: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right
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