Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/01 10:01:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course one can find voters whose rights were violated if one is fabricating them. Produce one name and address of a credible registered voter who will swear then were denied the right to vote in an illegal manner. Come on, let's hear it! It did not happen. Repeat, IT DID NOT HAPPEN, folks. Here in the Deep South, we have done everything to make things like voting more accessible to blacks for years and no body in their right mind is going to do otherwise. http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/1113-102.html Andreei "Andy" Berkowitz, of Palm Beach, Florida, tearfully testified about how polling officials challenged African Americans voters and demanded they produce a photo identification without doing the same to white voters. "They didn't ask me for a photo ID, but they did ask African Americans in Rivera Beach," a middle class Palm Beach neighborhood, said Berkowitz. One of the most dramatic moments of the hearing occurred when the Rev. Clyde W. Judson, pastor, the Good News Little River Baptist Church in northwest Miami, testified that he found ballot box 501 in his church on Thursday. Judson said about 1,000 people voted at this church, a polling place for 22 years. Judson said he called election officials about the box, but there was no response. "This is the first time this happened," said Judson. - Miami Police Lt. Diego Ochoa, said police found a locked ballot box on Friday, three days after the election, in a downtown Miami hotel. The box was picked up and placed in the police property room after election officials failed to respond to calls for its pickup. -- http://216.35.211.108/HEADLINES/1,,C-1-75-142788,00.html However, Ernest Duval, a native of Haiti, testified that after spoiling one ballot by miscasting his vote for the Reform Party's Pat Buchanan instead of the Democrats' Al Gore, he asked for another ballot and a poll worker refused to give him one apparently in violation of the Voting Rights Act. --- Carolyn Williams, a Tampa poll worker who handled appeals of voters who weren't on the rolls on Election Day, said many Black males were removed from the rolls in October because they were supposedly convicted felons. But she said that one voter's appeal on Tuesday gave her pause, and she contacted an election official to explain the voter's circumstances. "Just tell him he's lying", the election official told her. The appellant was an elderly Catholic priest. --- http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/13myths.html 9) Myth: The election process in Florida outside of Palm Beach County was fair. Fact: Actually, thousands of irregularities in over a half-dozen categories have already been reported: -Ballots ran out in certain precincts according to the LA Times on 11/10/00. -Carpools of African-American voters were stopped by police, according to the Los Angeles Times (11/10/00). In some cases, officers demanded to see a "taxi license". -Polls closed with people still in line in Tampa, according to the Associated Press. -In Osceola County, ballots did not line up properly, possibly causing Gore voters to have their ballots cast for Harry Browne. Also, Hispanic voters were required to produce two forms of ID when only one is required. (source: Associated Press) -Dozens, and possibly hundreds, of voters in Broward County were unable to vote because the Supervisor of Elections did not have enough staff to verify changes of address. -Voters were mistakenly removed from voter rolls because their names were similar to those of ex-cons, according to Mother Jones magazine. -According to Reuters news service (11/8/00), many voters received pencils rather than pens when they voted, in violation of state law. -According to the Miami Herald, many Haitian-American voters were turned away from precincts where they were voting for the first time (11/10/00) -According to Feed Magazine (www.feedmag.com), the mayoral candidate whose election in Miami was overturned due to voter fraud, Xavier Suarez, said he was involved in preparing absentee ballots for George W. Bush. (11/9/00) -According to tompaine.com, CBS's Dan Rather reported a possible computer error in Volusia County, Florida, where James Harris, a Socialist Workers Party candidate, won 9,888 votes. He won 583 in the rest of the state. [11/9/00] County-level results for Florida are available at cnn.com. -Many African-American first-time voters who registered at motor vehicles offices or in campus voter registration drives did not appear on the voting rolls, according to a hearing conducted by the NAACP and televised on C-SPAN on 11/12/00. - Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/01 10:01:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Until then, there charges are basically unfounded rumors and lies. Show your sources and proof--not articles and opinions but actual people who will swear that these things happened TO THEM. They are called allegations. As yet no one can send people through the internet. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Samantha, Both you and Radman are both right! I forgot about the problem Al Gore has telling the truth. Apparently, some of his supporters have that problem also. I should have asked for credible witnesses with proof instead of alleged reported anecdotal incidents that may or may not have actually happened. I mean the results of an official investigation and not the fictional accounts of liberal media reporters. I forgot that in the absence of actual proof, the facts are just invented, sort of like the Internet. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/01 10:01:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course one can find voters whose rights were violated if one is fabricating them. Produce one name and address of a credible registered voter who will swear then were denied the right to vote in an illegal manner. Come on, let's hear it! It did not happen. Repeat, IT DID NOT HAPPEN, folks. Here in the Deep South, we have done everything to make things like voting more accessible to blacks for years and no body in their right mind is going to do otherwise. http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/1113-102.html Andreei "Andy" Berkowitz, of Palm Beach, Florida, tearfully testified about how polling officials challenged African Americans voters and demanded they produce a photo identification without doing the same to white voters. "They didn't ask me for a photo ID, but they did ask African Americans in Rivera Beach," a middle class Palm Beach neighborhood, said Berkowitz. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/01 1:31:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Samantha, Both you and Radman are both right! I forgot about the problem Al Gore has telling the truth. Apparently, some of his supporters have that problem also. I should have asked for credible witnesses with proof instead of alleged reported anecdotal incidents that may or may not have actually happened. I mean the results of an official investigation and not the fictional accounts of liberal media reporters. I forgot that in the absence of actual proof, the facts are just invented, sort of like the Internet. Amelia I was very moved and alarmed while watching the NAACP hearings on election irregularities. In one fell swoop you're calling them all lying thugs. And you think rudeness is someone putting your name in a subject heading? I am irritated with myself for spending longer than an hour today coming up with sources to refute your blanket statements, "it didn't happen," "no one ever said this." You asked for info, I gave info - it just doesn't matter, does it? It's interesting that your rant and challenges for names, addresses and proof come up this late in the election drama. Many of the news items pertaining to the protest and election irregularities hearing are cold links now. I guess Carla Binion's writing style and presentation have you in a lather. Good. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om