Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

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you're absolutely right, though at present it seems
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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It's quite easy to object actually.

Most people take an extremely one sided view of this issue.

On this list the death of a Palestinian child is viewed as a tragedy, while
the blowing up of Jewish children on a school bus is treated as a brave
revolutionary act.

I have many harsh things to say about Israel. I will not however bend facts
and history and morality to push that agenda.


on 12/05/02 10:33 AM, unseemlydogposture at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 you're absolutely right, though at present it seems
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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not saying i condone acts of violnece by either side
and i certainly don't applaud anyone of any race being
blown up.

however, while both sides are clearly antagonising the
situation, israel being the more powerful in both a
military and intelligence sense should be the one to
be seen to act more responsibly.  i don't think i'm
bending history or morality with this point of view.
israel must also answer for many other actions that
could have an affect of a world-wide nature (as must
any country), yet it appears to be largely
uncooprative, secretive and aggressive.

totally aside from people being blown up left right
and centre, this is just how the situation seems to
me.



 --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  -Caveat
Lector-

 It's quite easy to object actually.

 Most people take an extremely one sided view of this
 issue.

 On this list the death of a Palestinian child is
 viewed as a tragedy, while
 the blowing up of Jewish children on a school bus is
 treated as a brave
 revolutionary act.

 I have many harsh things to say about Israel. I will
 not however bend facts
 and history and morality to push that agenda.


 on 12/05/02 10:33 AM, unseemlydogposture at
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 wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-
 
  you're absolutely right, though at present it
 seems
  difficult to object.
 
  --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  -Caveat
  Lector-
 
  The anti-Israeli sentiment runs at about 5 to 1
 on
  this list.
 
 
 
  on 12/05/02 9:20 AM, unseemlydogposture at
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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Not as defense but in the way of explanation

Israel sees itself besieged by enemies on all sides - neighbors vowing to
push her into the sea, the UN declaring the concept of the state
illegitimate, and was founded by people who had just gone through attempted
genocide. This might account for the secrecy and uncooperative nature.


Israel misread the post 9/11 world, and thought people would finally back it
in its war on terrorism. Almost worked out that way - but it didn¹t.






on 12/05/02 10:57 AM, unseemlydogposture at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

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 not saying i condone acts of violnece by either side
 and i certainly don't applaud anyone of any race being
 blown up.

 however, while both sides are clearly antagonising the
 situation, israel being the more powerful in both a
 military and intelligence sense should be the one to
 be seen to act more responsibly.  i don't think i'm
 bending history or morality with this point of view.
 israel must also answer for many other actions that
 could have an affect of a world-wide nature (as must
 any country), yet it appears to be largely
 uncooprative, secretive and aggressive.

 totally aside from people being blown up left right
 and centre, this is just how the situation seems to
 me.



 --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  -Caveat
 Lector-

 It's quite easy to object actually.

 Most people take an extremely one sided view of this
 issue.

 On this list the death of a Palestinian child is
 viewed as a tragedy, while
 the blowing up of Jewish children on a school bus is
 treated as a brave
 revolutionary act.

 I have many harsh things to say about Israel. I will
 not however bend facts
 and history and morality to push that agenda.


 on 12/05/02 10:33 AM, unseemlydogposture at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 you're absolutely right, though at present it
 seems
 difficult to object.

 --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  -Caveat
 Lector-

 The anti-Israeli sentiment runs at about 5 to 1
 on
 this list.



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 -Caveat Lector-

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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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 This might account for the secrecy and
 uncooperative nature.

 Israel misread the post 9/11 world, and thought
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see your point, but even israel must make some
compromise.


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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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No question.

A lot of compromise.

Which, of course, they offered with the Barak govt. and were refused.

Unfortunately there are people on both sides who do not want peace.


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 This might account for the secrecy and
 uncooperative nature.

 Israel misread the post 9/11 world, and thought
 people would finally back it
 in its war on terrorism. Almost worked out that way
 - but it didn¹t.

 see your point, but even israel must make some
 compromise.


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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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what can we do about them?

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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread Bill Kalivas
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How about not suppling both sides with weapons? It would be a lot less
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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Kill them.



Ooops I mean -

We need to change the situation in such a way that there is no profit in
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We have to convince Hamas that they are better off partners in a working
system, rather than leaders in the rubble.

We have to convince the Jewish right that Democracy is more important than
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We have to expose those outside the region that prefer Palestinians as an
angry fist, rather than a settled people.

We have to expose all the religious fanatics who have layered the area with
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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Bill, you can't get the toothpaste back into the tube


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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread Bill Kalivas
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Well stated.


Bill, you can't get the toothpaste back into the tube


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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread flw
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 The anti-Israeli sentiment runs at about 5 to 1 on this list.

I think most who oppose Israel's occupation and oppression
of the Palestinians are not 'anti Israel' -  they are anti colonialist
and anti occupation. Also many are against the US being an aider
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Israel exists and the Palestinians exist. Regardless of past history,
that is the present reality. Israel is a rich, powerful state, the
Palestinians
are poor and legally stateless. Until Israel decides to stop entertaining
the
fantasy of exterminating the Palestinians, or 'cleansing' them from the
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or reducing them to permanent serfdom within isolated Ghettovilles, Israel
will continue to be an international pariah and a moral outcast.
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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Once again I mostly agree with flw.



I think that's the 3rd sign of the apocalypse.




on 12/05/02 2:24 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 The anti-Israeli sentiment runs at about 5 to 1 on this list.

 I think most who oppose Israel's occupation and oppression
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 and anti occupation. Also many are against the US being an aider
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 Israel exists and the Palestinians exist. Regardless of past history,
 that is the present reality. Israel is a rich, powerful state, the
 Palestinians
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 the
 fantasy of exterminating the Palestinians, or 'cleansing' them from the
 land,
 or reducing them to permanent serfdom within isolated Ghettovilles, Israel
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread William Shannon
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In a message dated 12/5/2002 1:27:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think most who oppose Israel's occupation and oppression
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Opposing Israeli occupation and brutality is akin to being a Nazi to the radical Zionazis here...they only see black and white. 

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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread thew
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Funny Bill

Thats how I feel about those on the other side of this debate.

In fact, I am always careful to criticize what I think deserves criticism against Israel, and there is a lot to be critical of. I am also critical of those who use terror and murder and pretend its politics.

I constantly decry the violence from both sides (as if 2 covered it)

And at the same time I am called by you a Zionist and a Nazi ( I( am neither) and consistently being asked to justify Sharon, who I hate, and you oft tell me what my opinion is, based on your view of me as seeing it in Black  White, because I'm Jewish.

You are the one with Broad monochromatic brush friend, dont confuse your filter, with my opinion.






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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/5/2002 1:27:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think most who oppose Israel's occupation and oppression
of the Palestinians are not 'anti Israel' - they are anti colonialist
and anti occupation. Also many are against the US being an aider
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread Euphorian
-Caveat Lector-

Hear, here!  Note that the perceived bias extends to all (as in every) group that 
attempts
to subjugate others by means of coercive force.  The thread that connects all the 
subjects I
try to post include this power struggle and this jihad was started in Jollie Olde 
Engaland
(JOE).  We only have to llok at those places that are considered parts of the axis of 
evil
[live fo' sixa to some dyslexics from West Tejas] and see where JOE and his blokes 
have
been in the past 150 to 200 years and guess what?  Live fo' sixa ... oops ... axis 
of evil
or its immediate periphery.  The only possible exception is NoKorea but that came about
due to another coercive force.  I still keep wondering what the effect would have 
been, had
the Americans with their King-Crane findings been the driving force in Middle East, 
instead
of Lloyd-George and his bloomin' blimey bleedin' ... blokes ... AER

12/5/02 1:24:03 PM, flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The anti-Israeli sentiment runs at about 5 to 1 on this list.

I think most who oppose Israel's occupation and oppression
of the Palestinians are not 'anti Israel' -  they are anti colonialist
and anti occupation. Also many are against the US being an aider
and abettor of Israeli's state terrorism and blatant racialism.

Israel exists and the Palestinians exist. Regardless of past history,
that is the present reality. Israel is a rich, powerful state, the
Palestinians
are poor and legally stateless. Until Israel decides to stop entertaining
the fantasy of exterminating the Palestinians, or 'cleansing' them from the
land, or reducing them to permanent serfdom within isolated Ghettovilles, Israel
will continue to be an international pariah and a moral outcast.
flw

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