Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate (fwd)

2001-05-22 Thread Steve Wingate

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Do you really believe that the Constitution must spell out every conceivable
law that may or may not be enacted. Come on, get real William.

Steve

On 19 May 01, at 22:14, William Bacon wrote:

> Well do I even mention the constitutionality of the endangered specis act? I
> can not find in article 1 section 8 any authority givn to the Federal
> Government for the endangered specis act


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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Peter Searle
In a message dated 20/05/01 02:14:17 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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In a message dated 5/19/01 5:04:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< so u don't rate the human race? >>

So far they have managed to cope, but one of these days they will go the way
of the dodo and other animals that couldn't cope.


well do something about it then


Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/19/01 5:04:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< so u don't rate the human race? >>

So far they have managed to cope, but one of these days they will go the way
of the dodo and other animals that couldn't cope.

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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Peter Searle
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In a message dated 5/19/01 4:58:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< If u hold to that view, then most of the human race would b gone! >>

Well?


so u don't rate the human race?


Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/19/01 4:58:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< If u hold to that view, then most of the human race would b gone! >>

Well?

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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Peter Searle
In a message dated 20/05/01 00:52:20 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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In a message dated 5/19/01 4:34:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< bit of a simplistic view if u ask mewhich u probably aren't >>

Simplistic, yes. But experience has shown that the simple way is usually
the,
easiest, cheapest and best way. Can't compete, then they die out. This is
the
way of the world.

If u hold to that view, then most of the human race would b gone!


Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/19/01 4:34:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< bit of a simplistic view if u ask mewhich u probably aren't >>

Simplistic, yes. But experience has shown that the simple way is usually the,
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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Peter Searle
In a message dated 20/05/01 00:22:35 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


If they can't compete, well, too bad.

bit of a simplistic view if u ask mewhich u probably aren't


Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/19/01 2:50:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Some insects are highly important in the food chain and eliminating them
would likely result in the extinction of other species. >>

If they can't compete, well, too bad.

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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/19/01 2:42:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  However the main point of this peiece is to wonder why
> the eco nazis are are so intent TO MAKE US DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN SOURCES OF
> ENERGY >>

Bill Bacon— Could it be that the Eco-wackos want to pull us down to the level 
of the third world countries?

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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 19 May 01, at 13:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can you quote that specifically from the Act please,
> that insects are excluded ?

See:
http://endangered.fws.gov/esa.html

Specifically, Section 3, (6):

"The term "endangered species" means any species which is in danger of
extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range other than a
species of the Class Insecta determined by the Secretary to constitute a
pest whose protection under the provisions of this Act would present an
overwhelming and overriding risk to man."

So the act does not exclude all insects, only those considered to be pests.

Some insects are highly important in the food chain and eliminating them
would likely result in the extinction of other species.



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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Steve Wingate

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We need evidence of this, not a vague memory of something you may or
may not have read.

Steve

On 19 May 01, at 13:20, William Bacon wrote:

> Really? If my memory serves me right the eco-nazis are using the
> "habitiat" of some beetle in So.California to prevent the building of a
> shopping center. However the main point of this peiece is to wonder why
> the eco nazis are are so intent TO MAKE US DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN SOURCES OF
> ENERGY
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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-19 Thread Steve Wingate

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Sorry to break this news to you Wilhelm, but insects are excluded from the
Endangered Species Act.
 :)

On 18 May 01, at 18:03, William Bacon wrote:

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>
> Hello!
> Yes, I have a special mission for Steve Wingate! Since Mr. Wingate is so
> concerned about the environment, I want Steve Wingate to take a special
> camping trip to Northern Arizona! He can start his trip by using an
> environmentally friendly Big Wheels human powered transportation
> device from that energy heaven of Central california to camp in Northern
> Arizona. When Mr. Wingate get there, I want him to research the various
> dung beetles that dwell there in the various dung piles of the animals and
> the humans who camp there. He is to find the "endangered" dung beetle
> (youknow the .05 percent of dung beetles that have a pink dot on left side
> instead of the right side and who also fart on the left side instead of
> the what the other 99.95% dung beetles). Then should any energy resources
> be discovered like oil shale, several billions barrels of oil, coal
> natural gas be discovered where these unique dung beetles live, people
> like Steve Wingate can use the endangered dung beetle as a pre text to
> lock up the newly discovered resources. This raises a conspiracy theory:
> Is the environmental movement actally paid off by opec in order to
> specifically shut down competition to opec's oil??
>
> visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
> My ICQ# is 79071904
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Re: [CTRL] a special mission for Steve Wingate

2001-05-18 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/18/01 3:03:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< This raises a conspiracy theory:
Is the environmental movement actally paid off by opec in order to
specifically shut down competition to opec's oil?? >>

Bill, I think you are on to something here.

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