CS: Misc-Molebdenum
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Gazette Saturday 1 September 1917. "Molebdenum can increase the life of a gun by as much as twenty times" So whats new then. My Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 is 102 years old, has never had a moly coated bullet through it in it's life and still shoots minute of angle. Should I be concerned that my rifle may not last another nineteen hundred years? I'm not knocking moly coating, I have used "MS Moly" as a lube for the cast bullets I fire in my .404 Jeffery with great success. It is clean, dry, easy to use, doesn't pick up grit like Alox which I used to use and leaves the bore very easy to clean. For most applications though I think moly coating is a waste of time, money and effort in other words just a gimmick. Regards, David. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Police take up arms
From: "Chad Clymer", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can understand why the police wish to go about armed these days. What I cannot understand is the mindset of the UK government that wants the regular people [in their houses] disarmed and unable to offer any resistance to the phenomena we all know of as the 'hot burglary.' "Just give them what they want and they will go away" does not ring true, considering the brand of cretins that issue forth from the public schools these last two decades. Either deal with them when they screw up small, or they will have to be dealt with when they screw up large. Thank you liberals, your issue has borne a bitter fruit for all to deal with in the end. Until there are more bad guys planted in potter's field than regular folk in their family plots, the bad guys will continue to have their fun. Sad, but true. Regards, Mike W. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Scotlands "knife culture"
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Knives don't kill people, people kill people. Now where have I heard an expression something like that before? DM Electronic Telegraph ISSUE 2022 Thursday 7 December 2000 Knives blamed for rise in Scotland's murder rate By Nick Britten, Scotland Political Correspondent LABOUR'S purge on Scotland's escalating knife culture lay in tatters last night after official figures revealed a huge increase in the number of fatal stabbings. The overall number of killings has risen by around a quarter in a year, owing to the increased use of knives and is approaching record levels. Jim Wallace, the Justice Minister, said the figures were "unacceptable". "There is a clear picture of young men carrying knives who are prepared to use them regardless of the consequences, not only to their victims and their families but also to themselves and to their own families." The figures released by the Government Statistical Service showed that there were 120 murder victims in Scotland last year, an increase of 22 and only 16 below the post-war record of 136, which was reached in 1992 and 1996. All the extra victims were men and were the result of an attack with a knife or sharp instrument. This type of injury accounted for 66 lives, more than half the total. Ninety-nine men died violently last year while the female figure remained constant at 19. The death of more than half the victims was attributed to rages or quarrels, many resulting from alcohol or drug abuse. More than three-quarters of the victims knew their killer or killers. A quarter were killed by their partner or a relative, many as an escalation of ongoing domestic abuse. Only one of the cases has yet to be solved. In Strathclyde, murders increased from 63 in 1998 to 82 last year. There were increases in the number of killings in Aberdeen, Lothian and Borders and Dumfries and Galloway, while numbers fell in Fife, Tayside and Northern. Mr Wallace said: "That 120 people should suffer a violent death at the hands of another person is totally unacceptable in the modern civilised Scotland we are trying to create. Alcohol is often involved. This annual pattern of young men with knives killing young men cannot be allowed to continue. "Today's figures once again demonstrate a tragic and senseless waste of life. We will do all we can to protect our communities." A wide-ranging review of the police service undertaken recently recommended a shake-up of support services to create a unified support structure for the eight forces. Malcolm Chisholm, the deputy health minister, is today due to announce details of a strategy to tackle alcohol misuse. Police forces are targeting licensed premises known as "hot spots" for trouble throughout December. Roseanna Cunningham, Scottish National Party justice spokesman, said: "It is essential that the Labour government tackles the growing knife culture in Scotland and targets more resources towards increasing the number of police officers on Scotland's streets." Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Knives
From: "Nicholas Jones", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you get hold of the Framar Shooting World knife catalogue, there used tro a a 'CIA letter opener' - essentially a boot knife made from soem sort of plastic. It was advertised as being light enough to store up a tie without being obvious, and very sharp (probably not for long, but then you wouldn't whittle sticks with it). IIRC it was about รบ6.95. I have a couple of ceramic knives - Japanese chefs prize them as they stay sharp for ages and odours 'cling' to them much less than to steel blades. As Neil says, they are incredibly sharp, but don't use one to lever the lid off a paint-pot! Ceramic have been used in the textile industry for years to cut fibres, as they are much more wear resistant than metal. Nik Jones Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Yoko Ono
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIME TO REMEMBER HORROR OF THE GUN, SAYS ... 060300 DEC 10 YOKO By Anthony Barnes, Showbusiness Editor, PA News Yoko Ono, widow of music legend John Lennon, today called for the world to reflect on the horrors of "gun violence" in a message to mark the 20th anniversary this week of his death. With the hundreds of thousands of people who have continued to die from gunshots, she compared living in the US to "living in a war zone". Ono, 67, whose husband was murdered two decades ago on Friday, has been a fervent advocate of gun control over the years. In her message, given to PA News, she talks about how Lennon's death is being marked around the world - but points out it is "a time we should also remember how he died". She conjured up a powerful image of how her husband - "the king of the world" - was snatched from her, with his belongings coming back in a "brown paper bag". The superstar was shot dead by obsessed fan Mark Chapman as he left his apartment in the Dakota building alongside New York's Central Park. Ono recently paid for billboards to be put up in New York, Los Angeles and Cleveland, Ohio, drawing attention to gun-related violence. They feature a pair of smashed, blood-stained glasses, accompanied by the words: "Over 676,000 people have been killed by guns in the USA since John Lennon was shot and killed on December 8, 1980." Ono said today: "The last millennium was so violent, particularly the past century. When I flipped through the pages of a book of photographs, The 20th Century, I almost wanted to stop seeing what was coming next. "So much cruelty was revealed, page after page. I was appalled and humbled at the same time. It was a reminder to me that I am not the only one who suffered a sudden and painful loss in my immediate family. "The year 2000 marks the 20th anniversary of John's murder, and I've learned that almost every country in the world has planned some sort of memorial to remind people of his life and work. However, I believe this is a time we should also remember how he died. "In early 1981, the coroner's office gave me back John's belongings in a plain brown paper bag. John was the `The King of the World'. John - who had everything a man could ever want - came back to me in a brown paper bag in the end. "I want the world to know that. I also want to show how many people have gone through similar tragedies, specifically because of gun violence. "The number of people who have died by gunshot since John's death is 10 times larger than the total number of American soldiers lost in the Vietnam War. It's like we are living in a war zone. "I want us all to realise that, so hopefully the healing process can begin. John would have wanted to say this to you." The couple undertook a series of high profile stunts to campaign for peace in the late 60s and early 70s including their Canadian "bed-in". A blue plaque is due to be erected outside Lennon's boyhood home in Menlove Avenue, Liverpool, on Friday to mark the anniversary of his death. ~~ Well as it comes from someone who stayed in bed and grew their hair for peace we should all listen with respect. Steve, if you want real drivel try actually listening to the words of Imagine. Kenneth Pantling -- Mmm, shot dead in New York City, known for it's laissez-faire gun laws. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-recommended reading
From: "Peter Webb", [EMAIL PROTECTED] G'day All On the subject of reading matter:- John Lott's "More Guns, Less Crime" is not light reading, but you do not need a degree in statistical analysis to understand his conclusions, merely his methodology. David Kopel is also worthwhile. Not just his "The Samurai, The Mountie and the Cowboy" , but his later book"Guns: Who Should Have Them?" Which is a collection of pieces , some by other authors on varying aspects of the gun-control debate, including the Feminist viewpoint, Afro-American experiences, children and firearms , and most interestingly; a critique of the medical profession's advocacy of firearm control from the viewpoint of sociologists and criminologists. Interestingly, Kopel reveals himself as yet another former believer in the accepted wisdom that gun-control reduced crime, who was convinced otherwise by his studies of the evidence. As for accounts of men at war;- if you can cope with an Australian viewpoint, then may I strongly recommend "The Desert Column" by Ion (sic) Idriess. It is the diary of a private soldier in the Australian Light Horse , from the time of his landing at Gallipoli and through the Palestine Campaign including both Gaza and Beersheba (arguably one of the most significant cavalry actions in modern warfare) up to the point where he was invalided out (after being wounded for the third time) just prior to the capture of Jerusalem. . One of my all-time favourites. Another is "To the Last Ridge" by W. H. Downing. Again, an "other ranks" view of WW1 with Australian infantry in France. It includes a first-person account of the counterattack at Villers-Brettoneaux. Makes my hair stand up Finally, I have greatly enjoyed Elmer Keith's "Hell, I was There" An interesting man in interesting times. Best Regards... Peter Webb -- Understanding the methodology is more important than understanding the conclusions, because all sorts of people make wild conclusions that their methodology does not support. The comparison between suicides by gas ovens and suicides by guns by the Home Office had all sorts of conclusions that the methodology could not possibly support. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-RIP Harry Stanley
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] But does the "belief" of the person who "believes" is to be attacked not have to be subject to an objective test? Was ii "reasonable" for the person to have that "belief"? And was not the correct course to have followed and observed? Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-The European Police Force - A New Threat To Britons
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The European Police Force - A New Threat To Britons Lindsay Jenkins A few years ago the idea of an EU police force would have been laughable. And even more laughable would have been the suggestion that the British police would take their orders from Brussels. So here is a salutary tale of how pressure is slowly and remorselessly building for an EU police force which would mean the end of the British police forces, as we know them and of many of our freedoms. Next year - 2000 - all the EU governments will meet for another intergovernmental conference in preparation for the next EU treaty. The issues, which will dominate the headlines throughout the year, will be 'police and judicial control' - that is everything which in the UK comes under the aegis of the Home Office. The creation of one criminal and civil code, one judiciary, and one immigration system will take a big step forward. The proposed European constitution includes 'The Union (EU) shall.endeavour to protect citizens against all forms of crime...' and for that it needs a police force. These extremely radical - and many would say terrifying - proposals are being introduced in stages. Jean Monnet, the so-called father of the EU, used to say 'take the line of least resistance - that will ultimately win the day'. So stage one is co-operation and then the moves begin for more and more centralisation, always going for that line of least resistance. It all began in 1984 at the Fontainebleu Summit. While Mrs Thatcher was fighting 'for our money back' other Member States were planning to end border controls as 'a pathfinder to an EU-wide frontier free zone' or in common parlance one country. Because the UK refused to get rid of its frontier controls Germany, France, and Benelux signed the Schengen Treaty - Schengen is a village in Luxembourg. An EU without the old national borders has led inexorably to demands for one 'judicial space' and a 'European area of justice': that includes one police force. As Jurgen Storbeck, the German head of Europol, recently explained to the British Police Foundation, organised crime crossing the old national borders is having a field day. After much negotiation, and the provisions of the Maastricht Treaty, the European Drugs Unit started work in 1994 'to support member States .in the fight against drugs and associated money laundering', a purely co-operative venture. The Drugs Agency turned into Europol on 1st October 1998. Europol now has a legal framework and under the Europol Convention which came into force on 1st July 1999 Europol will shortly be able to deal with other forms of serious crime. Then came the Amsterdam treaty and the project took a great leap forward. Title VI says: the member states are to 'develop common action...in the fields of police and judicial co-operation in criminal matters and by preventing racism and xenophobia. What does this mean? We do not know. Under Amsterdam new areas have been added: illegal immigration, trafficking in human beings; child pornography; stolen vehicles; terrorism, and counterfeiting currency. Co-operation is no longer good enough - the treaty says 'closer co-operation'. The British police and Customs and Excise have been enthusiastic users of Europol, which they view as a form of Interpol. Indeed the countries, which make most use of it, are the UK and Germany. There are 142,000 police officers in this country and probably no more than half a dozen have any idea of the threat from Europol. At Europol's HQ in The Hague, which in the Second World War was the Nazi headquarters, there are 130 staff and 45 liaison officers (3 British) and by 2003 there will be over 350 staff. Europol already has its worrying side. No Europol officer can be prosecuted or in the words of the 1997 British Statutory Instrument: 'shall enjoy immunity from suit and legal process in respect of acts done by them in the exercise of their official functions'. Today that is of little concern - Europol does not have executive powers - but what of tomorrow? Europol has already edged beyond the co-operation stage, or the Interpol look alike which has fooled the British police so far. Europol's state of the artanalysis system is only accessible to Europol analysts. Within the next two years Europol will set up a database of 'criminal activity' which will include ethnic origins, sexuality, and political and religious views. Europol can assist in training police officers from member states, advise on their organisation, equipment and methods including technical and forensic. The first step was the European Police College at Leusden in the Netherlands funded by the EU and now four years old - purely co-operative of course. Within three years the next EU treaty plus changes by the Home Secretary, Jack Straw, may mean that Europol will be under the control of an EU Commissioner; a European Public Prosecutor may supervise all Europol investigations. The
CS: Pol-Ask the Prime Minister
From: "Earl Williamson", [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is to be a programme on Tuesday 12 December, 7pm (ITV) channel 3 Where Tony Blair will be answering Questions Phoned or Emailed in to ITV The phone number is 0870 24 25 666 (I wonder why they picked 666 as the last digits???) EW -- Mr Blair, seeing as you promised not to ban shooting, why are you allowing ACPO and the Home Office endless opportunities to come up with ideas for banning it? Actually, I think it might be an interesting idea given all the fuss they're making about the Crime Bill to ask him what he thinks of the CPS decision not to prosecute that Met officer. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Weaver Stance
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] All this talk about stances is, sadly, but fond memories to me! I suppose that we can use it with our CO2 air pistols? The only stance I last used was two fingers up to John Major when some of us voted Labour in 1997 to deliberately (and in full knowledge we'd get Blair) to get them out of office. -- I didn't vote in that election, what was the point? In fact it's going to take one hell of a candidate to get me into a polling booth to vote for an MP again. Some of you are lucky enough to live in a constituency with a pro-gun MP, but I live in an urban area and they're all just as bad as each other, although I do seem to be slowly convincing my local MP that my arguments are correct. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
