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From: "Jeff Wood", [EMAIL PROTECTED] "What is an illegal order? Something somebody else doesnt like? Get real." At this very moment, various Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are being tried for war crimes. Not only those they committed, but those they ordered, and some of the head honchos from the Balkan conflict are presently liable to arrest, for crimes they instructed. Coming closer to home, one would hope that no British police officer would hesitate to arrest and charge, say, a criminal boss for the actions of a henchman acting on his instructions. Any instruction to a subordinate to carry out an illegal act is by definition an illegal order. The problem can arise in civil society, of which police officers are a part, as well as in the military. Yours sincerely Jeff Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public PGP Key at: ldap://certserver.pgp.com Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is an illegal order? Something somebody else doesnt like? Get real. IG, An illegal order is one which would result in a breach of law, common or statute, if complied with. As you know doubt know the Constables Oath of Alleigance, which is required by common law, Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, is a follows; "I do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve Our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of constable, without fear or affection, malice or ill will, and that I will to the best of my power cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law." Note the "to the best of _my_ skill and knowledge ". The responsibility to comply with the law is the individuals and "orders" which are unlawfull have no force. Breach of this Oath is misconduct in office at common law, perjury and treason. Trying to order a consable to break his Oath are the same offences. Regards, John Hurst. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >What is an illegal order? >Something somebody else doesnt like? >Get real. > >IG >-- >An illegal order is an order that violates the law. The example >I was given in training is that it is illegal to order a surbordinate >to disclose classified information to someone without the necessary >clearance, so be careful what you ask them to do! > >I'm sure in times of war the examples are a bit more graphic. > >Steve. Steve, & IG, IG: I asked you a question earlier, and you ignored it. So, perhaps you'd care to reiterate: That there is no such thing as an illegal order? If so, and if you were directly ordered to shoot someone on sight, who was no danger to anyone, do I take it then that you would carry out the intent of that order? What about conducting act against others that are against the law (presuming that the laws are still valid as laws in the sense of respecting life, liberty, and property - English law). ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is an illegal order? Something somebody else doesnt like? Get real. IG -- An illegal order is an order that violates the law. The example I was given in training is that it is illegal to order a surbordinate to disclose classified information to someone without the necessary clearance, so be careful what you ask them to do! I'm sure in times of war the examples are a bit more graphic. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
