CS: Pol-Expanding bullets & UK police

2000-08-26 Thread Nick

From:   Nick Steadman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There's no doubt about it - if the Home Office claims to
comply with the Hague Accords, but then sanctions JSP
ammo for police which is designed to expand (even if in
practice it doesn't), then it is in breach. It would be
much better advised to state that the Hague accords have
no relevance to police equipment and were never meant to.
They only apply to warfare.

Nick Steadman


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CS: Pol-Expanding bullets & UK police

2000-08-28 Thread E.J. Totty

From:   "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>There's no doubt about it - if the Home Office claims to
>comply with the Hague Accords, but then sanctions JSP
>ammo for police which is designed to expand (even if in
>practice it doesn't), then it is in breach. It would be
>much better advised to state that the Hague accords have
>no relevance to police equipment and were never meant to.
>They only apply to warfare.
>
>Nick Steadman


Steve, & Nick,

I have an interesting question - hypothetical as
it is: Knowing the particular laws about using certain
ammunition types, suppose nation 'A' and nation 'B' go
to war -- against each other.
Both are signatories to the Geneva convention on
war.
As country 'A' is overtaken, the police who were
issued ammunition that was banned from the theater of
war, now are required to take an active role in the defence
of their nation, because the clods of country 'B' are engaged
in heinous acts against the citizens, the police make no
distinction between the criminals and the invaders.
Because the police ammunition has caused such a
high fatality rate among the invaders, they withdraw and
subsequently loose the conflict.
Country 'B' sues country 'A' in the world court
for violation of the Geneva convention.
What is the outcome?

ET


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CS: Pol-Expanding bullets & UK police

2000-08-30 Thread Jonathan

From:   Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>   Because the police ammunition has caused such a
>high fatality rate among the invaders, they withdraw and
>subsequently loose the conflict.
>   Country 'B' sues country 'A' in the world court
>for violation of the Geneva convention.
>   What is the outcome?

Country B doesn't get to sue, because Country B lost and is occupied by
Country A.  The latter imposes Martial Law for a while before creating a
new constitution, introducing a new currency, then implements a Marshall
Plan, and generates an economic miracle and prosperity for all (except
the Gastarbeiter Turks, of course).

--Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner

"Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel."
Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928


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CS: Pol-Expanding bullets & UK police

2000-08-30 Thread Alex Hamilton

From:   "Alex Hamilton", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

From: "E.J. Totty", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have an interesting question - hypothetical as
it is: Knowing the particular laws about using certain
ammunition types, suppose nation 'A' and nation 'B' go
to war -- against each other.
Both are signatories to the Geneva convention on
war.
As country 'A' is overtaken, the police who were
issued ammunition that was banned from the theater of
war, now are required to take an active role in the defence
of their nation, because the clods of country 'B' are engaged
in heinous acts against the citizens, the police make no
distinction between the criminals and the invaders.
Because the police ammunition has caused such a
high fatality rate among the invaders, they withdraw and
subsequently loose the conflict.
Country 'B' sues country 'A' in the world court
for violation of the Geneva convention.
What is the outcome?
_

I, too, am interested to hear the answer to your hypothetical question,
ET, but there is another angle that you have not covered and this
concerns the role of the police in enemy occupied territory.  You will
find that they are required to co-operate with the enemy military
government and stay at their posts to keep law and order.

Enemy soldiers are entitled to the protection of Geneva Convention and
cannot be treated as criminals.

Alex
--
In fact the Nazis gave MP40s and various other weapons to the
police of various countries they invaded!

Steve.


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