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From: "Alex Hamilton", [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I won't be put off from joining the Countryside Alliance march by imagined threats of retaliation. The reason I won't be going is because I'm opposed to fox hunting. You do what you think's right. Stuart Heal __ Stuart, I do not especially approve of fox hunting either, but I like the alternatives even less - i.e. the slaughter of hounds and horses that would inevitably follow the ban and several thousand people out of work in areas where other employment opportunities do not exist. We lost our pistols because the government of the day needed to show to the electorate that they were going to do something to prevent another Dunblane. I firmly believe that even the people of well below average intelligence knew very well that criminally insane nutters could not be stopped by regulating the sane, law abiding people, so the media campaign to vilify pistol shooters had only very limited effect. Nevertheless, the government proceeded with the ban, because they thought that that was what the electorate wanted. The truth is that that was not what the electorate wanted, but no one could be bothered to express that view, so we lost our sport as a direct result of public lethargy. And that is what this march is about! So if you do not wish to be ruled by the dictatorship of the disinterested majority, register with Countryside Alliance and go on the march. We have a load of plonkers in government who will do anything to keep their jobs, high incomes and aristocratic residences and we have to teach them a lesson than doing what the majority wants without ever taxing their lightweight brains amounts to the oppression of minorities, which just happens to be their duty to protect! Please let us know that you are coming, Regards, Alex Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a lame argument! "I am not going to the march because I am against fox hunting"! Why then is it called a march for LIBERTY LIVELIHOOD. I will agree that fox hunting is a small part of the argument, one in which the media seems to concentrate their coverage. No doubt a cheap attempt at boosting their viewing figures! After all what will get the anti, s flustered more then anything then the sight of a poor little fox being chased across the field by those evil people? Now what about mink! There is one you don't hear too much about! That's because it has been proved beyond all doubt that hunting with dogs is the only way to catch them. The anti's released mink in to the wild in their argument against fur farming. This "alien" creature is now doing untold damage to our environment, thanks to those idiots who released them. But beyond all else the march is about LIBERTY LIVELIHOOD. Please don't forget that when deciding if you should go to the march. I am sure there will be many gunsmiths and gun shop owners going, those who are lucky enough to be in business after the pistol ban! Regards, Tina P.S. I have no interest in fox hunting! Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: "Mike BEGGS", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart, The March is not "in support of hunting". It is far more. The march is for Liberty and Livelihood of country people, an opressed 'minority'. The objects of the march are to: - defend the right of rural people to live their lives responsibly in the way they choose - protect rural people from prejudice, particularly against all country sports including shooting - address the real problems of the countryside that are destroying communities, their culture and their childrens future. Surely you agree with Alex, that you should be there. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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Message text written by Neil Francis Are you seriously telling me that by putting up a personal WWW page on guns and this country's attitudes to them or writing to any pro gun maillist or BBS on the Internet will attain you a file in MI x? Come on - get real. You have said as much yourself when the first paranoid comment on attendance of the march came in. So we are either at cross purposes on this one or you have changed your mind. Neil, I'm not going to tell you all the details because, basically, nothing personal but I don't know you so I don't trust you. However to cut a long story short several subscribers to Cybershooters have been harrassed by the police for things they have said on here, so you're living in a dream world if you think they don't keep tabs on people. There's a good chance that I will shortly file an official complaint for harrassment against a certain police officer because of his harrassment of our subscribers. Also, given that the Government have actually officially announced that under Section 39 of the 1997 Act they intend to establish a national database of everyone who has ever applied for or ever held a certificate that will be available under the PNC to every copper in the country I am hard-pressed to figure out how you can doubt it. My view is simply that there is nothing illegal about going on a march, so there is no reason to be revoking peoples certificates. Steve.
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From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] No matter what, I WILL BE ATTENDING THE MARCH, as should everyone else with an interest in field/country sports human rights - including the fishing sports supporters as they will be next for a ban. Though, I have considered taking a camera of my own to record the actions of those who would record our actions. If everyone else on the march also took a camera, should we be under surveillance by anyone apart from the press, we could then make a point of recording those who would record us! I can see it nowas each part of the march passes a camera crew.the marchers turn take their picture!! .. another point scored for the rights of the individual over the overbearance of the state...wahey!!! LOL EW -- If the police attempted to revoke anyone's FAC simply because they attended a march it would be a gift to the gun lobby and that is why it won't happen. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: nick royall, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have not received my set of 7x5 glossies I ordered from the Special Branch photographers at the last march, if this carries on I am not going to get them to take any more pictures. More importantly, shame on the hotels in Bayswater for allowing them on their roofs to spy on us in the first place because WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS. To be honest their work was a waste of their time, they could have asked any of the marshals for their name and they would have received a polite reply. The police officers in uniform enjoyed their time accompanying us because we were the first lot they had ever seen who picked up the litter in Trafalgar Square (and spoke to them in a civil manner). Being there has not harmed me in any way but I do wonder what goes through the heads of the "establishment" figure who orders the surveillance. Nick Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or are people so attached to their lever-action rifles that the Government has so graciously permitted them to possess that they would prefer to cower at home for the next few years until they are banned as well? Bloody well said Steve... We should adopt CND's motto - Protest Survive, because if we just take a supine attitude what will happen? What usually happens to anyone in that position, you get screwed. The shooters who say we shouldn't do this or that (usually an aspect of the sport in which the person is uninterested)because the government don't like it simply betray everyone else. I once had a heated correspondence with a noted shooting journalist because all he was intertested in was slow fire target and vintage arms and he thought practical shooting should be thrown to the wolves and all because the police and Home Office didn't like it. I was on a couple of the pistol protest marches and the Countryside March and I just had by shotgun certificate renewed without problems. Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What are the chances that when we all attend the March in March, that we will all be videoed, that video used against us upon application/renewal as proof of unsuitability to hold a SGC/FAC??? EW -- However, under the data protection act, you are within your rights to demand a copy of the video sections that you appear in. Mark Thomas of the 'Mark Thomas Product', Channel 4 is running a competion worth 500 to the best stunt captured on and retrieved from CCTV or surveillance video. I think his show's on Wednesday night and he pulls no punches with politicians, particularly Neil Hamilton who he described on last weeks show using various expletives J. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, but as I.G. repeatedly pointed out you can lose your fac for being judged to be of bad character. So if someone in the firearms dept. believes that it is wrong to disagree with the government or to protest in anyway about anything you will be marked down as being unsuitable. -- Well, it would make for an interesting Section 44 appeal! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
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From: "Kay, Martin (DEI)", [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree with you that it's not (yet) illegal to demonstrate in support of our diminishing freedoms, I think that Earl is expressing a valid concern. Unless one marches under a banner obligingly announcing your club affiliation, I have more confidence in the practical difficulties of identification of individuals videoed/photographed participating in a march preventing such an abuse of liberty than in the legal niceties of the situation restraining the guardians of our freedom and public safety. Regards Martin Kay -- I can't see the point in worrying about it myself. It's self-defeating, the whole point in marching is to protest bans, remember. Or are people so attached to their lever-action rifles that the Government has so graciously permitted them to possess that they would prefer to cower at home for the next few years until they are banned as well? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
