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From: "David Rovardi", [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems the police like to push the point about LETHAL firearms, a car becomes lethal if you run some one over with it. I very much doubt if my guns or for that matter most on the list will ever be used in a lethal manner. regards David Rovardi Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Two articles from Police Review 13/10/2000 > >Government Criticised over airgun licensing >by Stuart Mulraney > --snip-- >Supt Marcus Beale, local area commander for D division, >says the aim of Operation Real Estate was æabout trying >to break down that spiralling cycle of violenceÆ: æOne >of the objectives,Æ he adds, æwas to prevent that level >becoming established and becoming the norm.Æ > >Although intelligence gleaned from the gangs involved >in the shootings didnÆt suggest that they were going to >target police officers, Mr Price acknowledges that in >this situation it is important to reassure officers and >make them feel they are protected. He argues that arming >them and giving them back-up from armed response vehicles >has proved effective. --rest snip-- Steve, & Charles, Funny, most people I know throw water on a fire to put it out -- not petrol. I'm of two minds when it comes to police. On the one hand, they are around to enforce law. On the other, they can be ornery cusses that think the world of themselves and look at the citizenry as lessors. In any case, the best kind are decent folks. The worst kind are the greatest test of patience that the creator has made to challenge man: they are willing to enforce any law, no matter how onerous, how unlawful, or how ghastly -- they are willing accomplices to murder, and they could care not a wit less. So, anyway, these people have no clue with what they are dealing with. In any situation there is the learning curve. The bad boys will calm down a bit, until they perceive what the heck is going on. Later on, they will escalate the situation to suit their temperaments. They see the cops as nothing more than another protection racket. Yeah, the cops are armed, so what? Two years down the road: the cops will fall under a hail of bullets the same way as the competition. Then what? If the problem is so much to do with firearms, then why on the creator's green earth are the cops carrying them? Unless the government is being duplicitous as usual? When a lie is about the land, the kings men need a casual liar to repeat the lie as often as necessary: The GCN. The problem is manufactured, and all the usual suspects are holding office. The names of the outside supporters fill the pages of your fish wraps. What better way to disarm the public than with a lie of monstrous proportions? The real problem is that firearms are the best means of defence, and the cops can't do their intended job -- with or without firearms, because they are hardly ever around when the nasty deeds are being done. So the lie is self-fulfilling: there will never be enough cops, never enough of a tax to support them, and never enough law for them to enforce. Ergo, the citizens must be forever disarmed to prevent the cops from being shot at, and most certainly to prevent the citizen from having a viable means of self-defence, lest the cops be seen as less than effective. Heaven forbid! Politics is all about control, and control is all about time. The root of all crime is corrupt (malum prohibitum) law; the essence of all corrupt law is power; the essence of all power is control; the essence of control is a decision of who lives and who dies. Those who live are the ones in high places; those who die are the ordinary citizens. How pitifully the sheep are taken to slaughter. ET -- If you want a real laugh, have a read of the DT version of this story in the Monday edition. Apparently Nottinghamshire Police have guns for armed robberies, in an intriguing typo. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site of Police Federation of England and Wales: http://www.polfed.org/main_frame.htm They are still building this but soon you'll be able to send them e-mails. I guess that there are more than one or two people who can't wait to comment on some of the rubbish they print in Poice Review. Truly I don't mean this destructively but the police are such an exclusive bretheren that some sensibly written input from outside can only do good. Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "Charles Parker", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two articles from Police Review 13/10/2000 Government Criticised over airgun licensing by Stuart Mulraney THE GovernmentÆs decision to reject calls for a national licensing system for airguns has missed an opportunity to further strengthen firearms controls, said the SuperintendentsÆ Association. 'We believe such a system would strengthen even further the controls and are disappointed that the Government rejected this measure suggested by the Home Affairs Committee in its report: said Peter Gammon, the associationÆs president. 'We stand by evidence we gave to the committee that there should be a system of licensing for airguns. They can be lethal weapons. There are some very powerful air weapons not subject to licensing on the market: he said. But Charles Clarke, the Home Office minister, said a licensing system for airguns would beæcumbersome, costly and difficult to administerÆ: He said the Government had accepted 41 recommendations made by the Home Affairs Committee in the wake of the Dunbiane tragedy in 1996. These include a ban on the unsupervised use of lethal firearms by people aged under 16; measures to deal with the use of illegal guns in crime; comprehensive new guidance to the police on the firearms law; and new legislation to consolidate existing, complex, firearms legislation and take forward the committeeÆs recommendations which need primary legislation. Other recommendations adopted by the Government include an increase to 18 (from 17) as the minimum age to own a lethal firearm and hold a firearms certificate, and a possible ban on the sale of imitation firearms to under 18s. The Government is also proposing legislation that will tighten existing controls on shotgun certificates. æIt is right that anyone who wants to own a shotgun should be able to demonstrate that they have a good reason to do so said Mr Clarke. æThe way in which shotguns and other fiream's are treated differently at present is not acceptable. We propose to rationalise the situation, while not restricting the present range of lawful shooting activities.' -- Sticking to their guns In a bid to tackle increasing gun crime in central Nottingham, armed officers are being used to conduct routine patrols. Carol Jenkins reports. A team of officers get ready to patrol the late shift in the St AnnÆs area of Nottingham. The officers make no secret of the fact that they are armed, And, according to ACC Sean Price from Nottinghamshire Police, local residents and criminals are now so used to seeing officers in their area carrying guns, they perceive that every officer in the force is armed. The force decided to put patrols of specialist armed officers on the streets of the city, together with a number of armed response vehicles, in both the St AnnÆs and The Meadows areas of Nottingham following a series of drive-by shootings and an increase in gun related crimes in January this year. According to force intelligence, the crimes were largely drug related and centred on rival black gangs in the areas which are populated predominantly by black people. The forceÆs operation, codenamed Real Estate, includes a number of measures aimed at dealing with both the long- and short-term issues related to the shootings. In the short term, these include making sure that the violence doesnÆt escalate, and, longer term, providing education and activities to encourage young people to keep away from the lure of drugs and crime. Mr Price agrees that the debate about whether officers should be routinely armed is always contentious. However, he believes that faced with a situation where criminals and local residents were beginning to believe that it was acceptable to see gun violence on their streets, having armed officers patrolling the streets was an appropriate response. Although Mr Price says he is not suggesting that all his officers should be armed in the force, there is, he says, a particular need for armed officers in this area. He makes no apologies for the move. æWe have to show,Æ he says, æthat we are going to be out there to protect the public from these firearms acts that are going on. The most visible way of sending that [message] to the public is by saying that our officers are armed... It is also about sending a very strong message to those who wanted to use firearms that we are going to protect the public; that this is not acceptable; that we will put armed officers out; and donÆt use firearms because we have an armed response to deal with it.Æ Mr Price believes that there is a real issue for all forces over how policing changes æif you let the threshold rise æIt becomes harder to police even where if you say that guns are acceptable. If you donÆt step on it quickly an say this is a threshold over which you will not step to the criminal community, it just escalates. Then you start get into a position where once the threshold is crossed, the threshold g
