CS: Target-auto-acceleration

2001-01-10 Thread jonathan

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 The author put it down to auto-acceleration, conjecturing
 that the very small charges of powder were laying along the
 bottom of the case and igniting together instead of in
 'sequence' along the case giving a rapidly rising and massive
 pressure curve.
 
 Note also that in several of the American reloading manuals
 'minimum charges' are stated as well as maximum.  I don't
 think this is because the bullet wouldn't leave the  barrel.

I'm not all that convinced by this "autoacceleration" 
malarkey. In the case you relate if *very* small charges of 
powder were being used perhaps they just weren't igniting 
properly rather than anything else? I remember reading 
about this a few years ago and one powder manufacturer 
(Vihtavouri?) did loads of tests on this and couldn't find 
any evidence for it at all. Smokeless powder is actually 
quite difficult to ignite properly, I tried a load with 2400 in 
.38 special once and unless you used quite a lot of 
powder it just wouldn't work properly, you would get loads 
on burned powder dropping out the end of the barrel and 
the bullet would embed it's self in the cardboard target 
backing, sideways usually. From this is would seem 
possible that the flash was simply missing most of the 
powder so it wasn't being ignited properly and thus giving 
erratic results.

Yes loading manuals do give minimum charges 
sometimes, but these I think are mostly to avoid 
hangfires. If you look at data for very large rifle cases it 
will sometimes tell you not to reduce charges as the 
powder will not properly ignite due to the flash from the 
primer jumping over it, believe me I've tried to poo-poo 
these warnings, you know the thing "Well I'm more 
cleaver than this highly trained explosives engineer who 
wrote the book, so I'll put light charges in a .460 
Weatherby case and just pack 'em down with toilet paper 
so the charge dosen't move!" Well guess what folks? The 
charge does move and when it does the rifle hangfires 
and it's not pleasant even with a much reduced load. I 
would hate to think what it would be like with an almost 
full load. I used to use a load of 110grns of H414 under a 
405 grn bullet, I had to increase that to 112 grns because 
of the occasional hangfire.

Jonathan Laws 

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CS: Target-auto-acceleration

2001-01-07 Thread Jeremy

From:   Jeremy Peter Howells, JPHowells

Auto-acceleration of very small charges of powder have been
recorded.  A Target Gun reloading article of several years
ago noted it.

The author of the article was sceptical of auto-acceleration
and said so in print.  However during a reloading course (I
believe at Bisley under NRA auspices) they were loading
progressively larger charges of powder into .38's for accuracy
testing - each individual charge was hand weighed and
everything was fully supervised.  On range testing some of the
loads that had been made up in .357 magnum cases became wildly
erratic with very small charges of fast burning pistol powder,
weapon report, velocity (they were using a chronograph) and
accuracy were varying wildly from shot to shot.

The author put it down to auto-acceleration, conjecturing
that the very small charges of powder were laying along the
bottom of the case and igniting together instead of in
'sequence' along the case giving a rapidly rising and massive
pressure curve.

Note also that in several of the American reloading manuals
'minimum charges' are stated as well as maximum.  I don't
think this is because the bullet wouldn't leave the  barrel.

Most reloading writers seem to recommend a powder/load
combination that bulks up well in the case - giving more
consistent results with or without wadding or fillers.

Regards

Jerry
--
On the subject of handloading, I handled one of the Taurus
"handrifles" in a shop the other day, Alex and Richard can
rest assured all the knowledge they have accumulated won't
go to waste!

Steve.


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