Re: Setup: lesson learned and suggestion
Dameron, Gregg wrote: Running setup.exe version 2.427 on Windows 2000. When the option Install from Local Directory is selected, the screen titled Select Local Package Directory prompts the user as follows: Select a directory where you want Setup to store the installation files it downloads. The directory will be created if it does not already exist. The prompt didn't (doesn't) make sense in the context of a local directory install. The first few times I ran it, I interpreted this prompt to mean select a directory where you want Setup to store the installation files it _generates_. I took it to mean (1) Setup needed a place to write installation log files; and (2) I would be prompted later for the directory containing all the packages I downloaded (or else Setup had already found them). Consequently, I gave Setup a path to a new directory and picked Next. Setup died with the infamous Application Error dialog, stating: The instruction at 0x00485fbd referenced memory at 0x. The memory could not be written. [FYI - the setup logs showed nothing unusual, post-mortem. I did notice that new (mostly empty) cygwin registry entries were created.] A few false starts later, I figured out what Setup wanted; namely, the directory where I had placed all the downloaded packages. They installed without incident. My suggestion is twofold: First, I'd change the prompt to make it more context-appropriate. Unfortunately, it's a bit of a pain to change this dependent on installation mode. Anyone got a any good ideas how to phrase this so it will cater to both download and local modes? Second, I'd handle an honest mistake (like mine) a bit more gracefully. Bug reproduced, thanks for the report. Max.
Setup download adjustments
1) Concious of the fact that http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ generally contains release candidates, old versions, and source, but no snapshots I've renamed it to http://cygwin.com/setup/. 2) Disliking the way setup.exe provides a severe lack of indication that source-only packages are source-only, and finding it a little bizarre that the source and binary of setup.exe are distributed in different ways, I've moved the setup source from the package area to the above URL, too. (And updated http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin-apps/setup.html). [Attn CGF: Could you drop the remnant stub entry from setup.ini, please.] Max.
Re: Apache/PHP maintainership
Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On Jan 24 23:55, Brian Dessent wrote:
So, unfortunately I throw in the towel on this one. I think I've posted
the patches to this list that I had made, which would be a starting
point if anyone else feels up to the task. At the point where I
stopped, the PHP modules would at least all build as dynamic shared
modules but some of them would not load or would cause segfaults. So,
there's still some work to be done there to find out why.
Are you also laying down Apache maintainership? That would be a pity.
I don't see why Apache should depend on PHP. Webserver also work fine
without PHP scripts from what I can tell :-)
now, agree'ing to Corinna here.
As I am still on the list and yes, still work on Apache for Cygwin... I'd like
to pick-up the opportunity to bring up some new packages with the apache-1.3
tree and the httpd-2.0 tree - on which I worked already in trying to get it
build in DSO/DLL fashion mode - for upload. At least re-building the latest
apache-1.3 should be a very quick shot to go for.
Stipe
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Re: Setup: lesson learned and suggestion
From: Max Bowsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dameron, Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED], cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Setup: lesson learned and suggestion Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:57:49 - Dameron, Gregg wrote: Running setup.exe version 2.427 on Windows 2000. When the option Install from Local Directory is selected, the screen titled Select Local Package Directory prompts the user as follows: Select a directory where you want Setup to store the installation files it downloads. The directory will be created if it does not already exist. The prompt didn't (doesn't) make sense in the context of a local directory install. The first few times I ran it, I interpreted this prompt to mean select a directory where you want Setup to store the installation files it _generates_. I took it to mean (1) Setup needed a place to write installation log files; and (2) I would be prompted later for the directory containing all the packages I downloaded (or else Setup had already found them). Consequently, I gave Setup a path to a new directory and picked Next. Setup died with the infamous Application Error dialog, stating: The instruction at 0x00485fbd referenced memory at 0x. The memory could not be written. [FYI - the setup logs showed nothing unusual, post-mortem. I did notice that new (mostly empty) cygwin registry entries were created.] A few false starts later, I figured out what Setup wanted; namely, the directory where I had placed all the downloaded packages. They installed without incident. My suggestion is twofold: First, I'd change the prompt to make it more context-appropriate. Unfortunately, it's a bit of a pain to change this dependent on installation mode. Anyone got a any good ideas how to phrase this so it will cater to both download and local modes? How about something like Select local package cache directory? Might also try and provide an explantaion in a tooltip... Dave __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
Hungarian keyboard under cygwin-X
Hello, I tried to set up hungarian keyboard under cygwin/X in my winXP box. If I use only console bash shell (without X) it works after I run these commands: bind 'set output-meta on' bind 'set meta-flag on' bind 'set convert-meta off' bind 'set input-meta on' After trying start X server, in xterm window it doesn't work correctly. If I use latin1 font, the 'Odoubleacute' and 'Udoubleacute' keys isn't work. If I tried some iso8859-2 font in my xterm it isn't work too. If I open a file with these letters both look good. I read some useful tips on your FAQ and tried check if it works for 'hu' keymap: $ xkbcomp -w 3 -xkm -m hu /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 localhost:0.0 Fatal Error: No map named hu in /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 Exiting $ setxkbmap.exe -v 10 -rules xfree86 -model pc105 -layout hu Setting verbose level to 10 locale is C Warning! Multiple definitions of rules file Using command line, ignoring X server Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard model Using command line, ignoring X server Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard layout Using command line, ignoring X server Applied rules from xfree86: model: pc105 layout: hu Trying to build keymap using the following components: keycodes: xfree86+aliases(qwerty) types: complete compat: complete symbols:en_US(pc105)+hu geometry: pc(pc105) Any suggestions? THX. -- Szab Bence szabobe at t-mobile dot hu
Re: How to read a unicode file created in windows?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Duong Dang wrote: I mean Ican't read unicode file when programming. I use QFile and QTextStream to read unicode file but the read text is wrong. a) This is not a question. It's just a statement. I can only guess what you try to achive. Editing in vim is likely to work. b) Your statement does not include anything that could help solving your problem. Which program created the file? How is the text wrong? c) Why are you sending this to me and not to the mailing list? bye ago BTW: redirecting this to the mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Application in linux and cygwin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Duong Dang wrote: I use source code created in linux to rebuild in cygwin. It is x-unikey (I attach it with this mail) I run ./configure, it's OK. But when I run make , compiler show some error. I don't know why. Me neither. Without the error messages it's impossible to guess what went wrong. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Hungarian keyboard under cygwin-X
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, [iso-8859-2] Szabó Bence wrote: Hello, I tried to set up hungarian keyboard under cygwin/X in my winXP box. After trying start X server, in xterm window it doesn't work correctly. If I use latin1 font, the 'Odoubleacute' and 'Udoubleacute' keys isn't work. If I tried some iso8859-2 font in my xterm it isn't work too. If I open a file with these letters both look good. By default xterm starts in latin1 mode. If you use the utf8 mode it can handle the characters properly. xterm -u8 Other programs will require setting the LANG environment variable LANG=hu xev without: KeyPress event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x262, root 0x53, subw 0x0, time 167925784, (114,90), root:(423,228), state 0x0, keycode 51 (keysym 0x1fb, udoubleacute), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False with: KeyPress event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x262, root 0x53, subw 0x263, time 167967494, (40,57), root:(368,233), state 0x0, keycode 51 (keysym 0x1fb, udoubleacute), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (fb) û XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (fb) û XFilterEvent returns: False it is still printed wrong because of the latin1 charset of the mail. BTW: can you please send me the information listed in http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-submit-layout I can add the hungarian layout to the table of autodetected layouts bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Hungarian keyboard under cygwin-X
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Alexander Gottwald wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, [iso-8859-2] Szabó Bence wrote: Hello, I tried to set up hungarian keyboard under cygwin/X in my winXP box. After trying start X server, in xterm window it doesn't work correctly. If I use latin1 font, the 'Odoubleacute' and 'Udoubleacute' keys isn't work. If I tried some iso8859-2 font in my xterm it isn't work too. If I open a file with these letters both look good. By default xterm starts in latin1 mode. If you use the utf8 mode it can handle the characters properly. xterm can, but the last I saw regarding cygwin is that it doesn't provide the necessary locale support. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Cygwin 1.5.12 (Cygwin/X on Window NT vs Window XP)
Hi, I have noticed the following when running startxwin.bat on Windows XP: 1. Calling startxwin.bat on the bash command line, I get the following messages: 3 [main] run 3544 tty_list::allocate_tty: No tty allocated 3 [main] run 904 tty_list::allocate_tty: No tty allocated Everything comes up normally though. I just want to know why this comes up only on Windows XP and if there are any side-effects. 2. After starting startxwin.bat, every X application (excluding the xterm that startxwin.bat started up) does not get focus. It always goes in the background below any application (X or native Win32). This is true for each and every app that gets started until you close one of the X apps. After that, everything is back to normal. That is, every X app you start will now get the focus and will be the top-level window. The problem never comes back after that. Has anyone seen this? Is there a workaround? These problems do not show up on Windows NT using the same Cygwin/XWin version. Thanks! Al-
[ANN] X11R6.8.2 Release Candidate 3 is out! (fwd)
Hi, I've prepared cygwin packages for Release Candidate 3 of the upcoming Xorg 6.8.2 release. They are available from the usual cygwin mirrors once they arrive there and are marked as test in the setup and named xorg-x11-*-6.8.1.903. Please test them and report bugs if you find any. The announcement from X.org is enclosed below. I'll remove the 6.8.1.902 packages from the cygwin server and the freedesktop.org download site. bye ago From: Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANN] X11R6.8.2 Release Candidate 3 is out! X11R6.8.2 Release Candidate 3 (RC3) of the X Window System X.Org Foundation Releases Maintaince Update For X Window System Version X11R6.8.x The third release candidate for X11R6.8.2 is ready for testing. The upcoming X11R6.8.2 release is intended to be a stable bug fix release and we would very much appreciate your help to build and test this release candidate. Please report any problems you find in Xorg's bugzilla (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg). ## IMPORTANT: This is likely the LAST release canidate and therefore the last chanche to do testing before the FINAL version will be shipped! ## This release candidate is currently labeled experimental and is only made available for testing and evaluation purposes. * Notes for testers: - Various drivers, modules and other infrastructure got significant updates and need to be thoroughly tested by the community, including: - radeon video driver - nv (nvidia) video driver - ATI Rage128 video driver - ATI R100 video driver - Intel i810 video driver - neomagic video driver - Postscript print driver - Xprint infrastructure update - Mesa (OpenGL) update to release 6.2 - libXpm security update (CAN-2004-0914) ... and many many other things... - The full changelog for the X11R6.8.x stable branch can be found under http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/ChangeLog?only_with_tag=XORG-6_8-branchview=log - The X11R6.8.2 RC3 source code can be obtained as follows: - Source tarballs are available from http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R6.8.2/xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.bz2 http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R6.8.2/xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.gz http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R6.8.2/xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.Z [1] md5 checksums are: MD5 (xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.bz2) = d3008407381364a3e8a6e0cce5620d37 MD5 (xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.gz) = 4c72bb3346722621d09a9b60b5ae1fb0 MD5 (xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.Z) = 26ede25a29bbf0d072bb87ee94508a7c [1]=The xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.Z source tarball was created with Solaris /usr/bin/tar for those platforms who can't deal with the GNU tar format (which was used to package xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.bz2 and xorg-x11-6.8.1.903.tar.gz). - Anonymous CVS: % export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg % cvs -z6 checkout -r XORG-6_8_1_903 xc - For people with SSH access to the CVS repository: % export CVSROOT=:ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg % export CVS_RSH=ssh % cvs -z6 checkout -r XORG-6_8_1_903 xc * Next step is to get the final version out in (more or less) two weeks unless serious showstoppers will be found. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Strange XWin startup problem.
Hi all! I have a clean (brand new, just downloaded, ...) installation of Cygwin/X. I perform the following steps: 1) Start cygwin by double clicking desktop icon. 2) In cygwin window: cd /usr/X11R6/bin 3) In cygwin window: startxwin.bat I get the X icon in the system tray, but nothing else (no xterm, nothing :( ). After some searching I discovered that there are two XWin.exe images in the processes tab of the windows task manager. This has happened on three attempts of clean all cygwin directories, download and install on this particular machine. To check myself and the system, I downloaded the same software on a second machine and it worked fine the first time. The machine I am having trouble with has one peculiarity: the system disk is G:, not C: (its a long, long story). I have tried installing cygwin/X on C:, D: and G: with the same results. The system is an AMD 2100+ with 2GB ram and lotsa disk space, running Windows 2000 Pro. Has anyone reported a problem of this nature? Thanks in advance. donz
Strange XWin startup problem v2.0
Hi all! I have a clean (brand new, just downloaded, ...) installation of Cygwin/X. I perform the following steps: 1) Start cygwin by double clicking desktop icon. 2) In cygwin window: cd /usr/X11R6/bin 3) In cygwin window: startxwin.bat I get the X icon in the system tray, but nothing else (no xterm, nothing :( ). After some searching I discovered that there are two XWin.exe images in the processes tab of the windows task manager. This has happened on three attempts of clean all cygwin directories, download and install on this particular machine. To check myself and the system, I downloaded the same software on a second machine and it worked fine the first time (there is only one copy of XWin.exe in Task Manager).. The machine I am having trouble with has one peculiarity: the system disk is G:, not C: (its a long, long story). I have tried installing cygwin/X on C:, D: and G: with the same results. The system is an AMD 2100+ with 2GB ram and lotsa disk space, running Windows 2000 Pro. Attached is XWin.log Has anyone reported a problem of this nature? Thanks in advance. donz Welcome to the XWin X Server Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project Release: 6.8.1.0-9 Contact: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com XWin was started with the following command line: /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error ddxProcessArgument - Initializing default screens winInitializeDefaultScreens - w 1280 h 1024 winInitializeDefaultScreens - Returning (WW) /tmp mounted int textmode _XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be created. (II) XF86Config is not supported (II) See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html for more information (==) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ winAdjustVideoModeShadowGDI - Using Windows display depth of 32 bits per pixel winAllocateFBShadowGDI - Creating DIB with width: 1280 height: 1024 depth: 32 winInitVisualsShadowGDI - Masks 00ff ff00 00ff BPRGB 8 d 24 bpp 32 null screen fn ReparentWindow null screen fn RestackWindow InitQueue - Calling pthread_mutex_init InitQueue - pthread_mutex_init returned InitQueue - Calling pthread_cond_init InitQueue - pthread_cond_init returned winInitMultiWindowWM - Hello winInitMultiWindowWM - Calling pthread_mutex_lock () winMultiWindowXMsgProc - Hello winMultiWindowXMsgProc - Calling pthread_mutex_lock () MIT-SHM extension disabled due to lack of kernel support XFree86-Bigfont extension local-client optimization disabled due to lack of shared memory support in the kernel (--) Setting autorepeat to delay=500, rate=31 (--) winConfigKeyboard - Layout: 0409 (0409) (--) Using preset keyboard for English (USA) (409), type 4
Re: Strange XWin startup problem v2.0
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Donald R. Ziesig wrote: I get the X icon in the system tray, but nothing else (no xterm, nothing :( ). After some searching I discovered that there are two XWin.exe images in the processes tab of the windows task manager. seems like the ZoneAlarm problem. Uninstall Zonealarm or disable XKB extension (add -kb to XWin commandline) bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: [unsolicited] Re: Strange XWin startup problem v2.0
Dear Alexander: -kb worked. But I don't have ZoneAlarm... I'm using the Norton Internet Security firewall. (and, the second system that did not give me problems IS using ZoneAlarm). Strange. Thanks! donz Alexander Gottwald wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Donald R. Ziesig wrote: I get the X icon in the system tray, but nothing else (no xterm, nothing :( ). After some searching I discovered that there are two XWin.exe images in the processes tab of the windows task manager. seems like the ZoneAlarm problem. Uninstall Zonealarm or disable XKB extension (add -kb to XWin commandline) bye ago
Re: startxwin.bat failing
Jon wrote: I'm trying to run startxwin.bat on a Windows XP system. When I do, the Cygwin/X Server starts however when the terminal window comes up, I get the two following error messages: xterm: Can't execvp /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory xterm: Could not exec /bin/sh: No such file or directory. These look like things you would typically find on a unix box so it's not suprising to get these errors. However, xterm runs for others in my office on windows, but they don't know how it works or what to do to get around this. Questions about X11 belong in a different mailing list. cygwin-xfree AT cygwin.com. Please use that list for replies to this thread. I would say you also need to review http://cygwin.com/problems.html for how to ask for help. Especially heed the part about attaching the cygcheck output to your post. It sounds like you have a simple PATH or mounts problem but you've not given nearly enough information for anyone to be able to diagnose it, which the cygcheck output will provide. Brian
src/winsup/cygwin ChangeLog syscalls.cc
CVSROOT:/cvs/src Module name:src Changes by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2005-01-26 13:07:49 Modified files: winsup/cygwin : ChangeLog syscalls.cc Log message: * syscalls.cc (setpriority): Implement PRIO_PGRP, PRIO_USER and setting priority in other Cygwin processes. (getpriority): Implement PRIO_PGRP, PRIO_USER and getting nice value from other processes. Patches: http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.2679r2=1.2680 http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/syscalls.cc.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.358r2=1.359
winsup/cygwin ChangeLog pinfo.cc
CVSROOT:/cvs/uberbaum Module name:winsup Changes by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2005-01-26 18:21:25 Modified files: cygwin : ChangeLog pinfo.cc Log message: * pinfo.cc (pinfo::init): Avoid a compiler warning. Patches: http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/winsup/cygwin/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=uberbaumr1=1.2680r2=1.2681 http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/winsup/cygwin/pinfo.cc.diff?cvsroot=uberbaumr1=1.153r2=1.154
src/winsup/mingw ChangeLog include/malloc.h
CVSROOT:/cvs/src Module name:src Changes by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2005-01-27 00:34:43 Modified files: winsup/mingw : ChangeLog winsup/mingw/include: malloc.h Log message: 2005-01-26 Oliver Stoeneberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] * include/malloc.h: Add missing return code defines for _heapwalk() Patches: http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/mingw/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.253r2=1.254 http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/mingw/include/malloc.h.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.10r2=1.11
Re: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin - Solved
after a (stupid) attempt to install an older version of cygwin over my current installation (using the cygwin time machine mentioned some days ago) I just wanted to throw it away and start anew, but the cygwin directory is undeletable. This is due to some symbolic links from versions of uninstalled programs pointing to nowhere (i.e. /usr/autotool/devel/bin/automake, which is a symlink to automake-1.9). I am able to change owner and permissions of these files to whatever I want, but I can not delete them (Permission denied). What should I do, to get a clean new install? Although I am sure to have installed both versions as the same user (I always use a domain login), those links are owned by my computer login. When I change ownership via windows explorer and set the permissions I need, everything can be deleted. This didn't work with cygwin. Although I was able to change the ownership of the links to any user I wanted, I was not able to delete them. Thanks for the help Neven -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin bughunt (FAQ alert?)
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: Umm, that was my bad. The thing is, --enable-debugging really produces a developer debug version, with extra tracing, etc. If all you want is a version of DLL with all the symbols (i.e., unstripped), the regular build produces that as well. Cristopher Faylor wrote: ...and now you get to repeat these facts endlessly as people find your words in the archives and assume that they need use this option regardless of follow-on discussion or the FAQ. How about adding a line in the FAQ to the how to build cygwin (104) entry stating that the configure ; make mentioned does produce a Cygwin with all debugging symbols? And the link in the FAQ is wrong: How can I debug cygwin (entry 105) says: To build a debugging version of the Cygwin DLL, you will need to follow the instructions at http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC102.; The above should point to entry 104, not 102. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin bughunt (FAQ alert?)
Ack! Apologies for the formatting. The company I'm employed at uses Outlook (thereby MS-WORD) for e-mail. Here's what I wanted to say: The FAQ entry 105 links to entry 102 under how to compile. Shouldn't this point to 104 instead? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin - Solved
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Neven Luetic wrote: after a (stupid) attempt to install an older version of cygwin over my current installation (using the cygwin time machine mentioned some days ago) I just wanted to throw it away and start anew, but the cygwin directory is undeletable. This is due to some symbolic links from versions of uninstalled programs pointing to nowhere (i.e. /usr/autotool/devel/bin/automake, which is a symlink to automake-1.9). I am able to change owner and permissions of these files to whatever I want, but I can not delete them (Permission denied). What should I do, to get a clean new install? Although I am sure to have installed both versions as the same user (I always use a domain login), those links are owned by my computer login. When I change ownership via windows explorer and set the permissions I need, everything can be deleted. This didn't work with cygwin. Although I was able to change the ownership of the links to any user I wanted, I was not able to delete them. Cygwin's chown can only change ownership to those users that are in the /etc/passwd file. If you had two users with the same name or id in it (e.g., local and domain), the one that appears earlier will hide the one that appears later. AFAIU, if you'd made sure that your /etc/passwd is up-to-date, you could have changed the ownership. One guess as to why the links were owned by the local user is that some script may have done a chown $USER, and if the local and the domain user have the same names, and the local appears earlier in /etc/passwd... well, you get the picture. FWIW, we should probably look at all scripts to see which ones do chown $USER, and change it to chown `id -u` instead, which should be safer... Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! The Sun will pass between the Earth and the Moon tonight for a total Lunar eclipse... -- WCBS Radio Newsbrief, Oct 27 2004, 12:01 pm EDT -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:58:18PM -0500, Charles Wilson wrote: Actually, I think this is a neat idea. I tried to do something like it for personal use about 18 months ago -- I wanted a one-time snapshot of the cygwin-1.3.x baseline just prior to the 1.5.x transition. But I waited too long (e.g. after packages which required 1.5.x had polluted the server), and couldn't untangle what was old/what was new well enough for my taste. So I gave up. Your mechanism is much better. I, too, hope you don't regret it. :-) While I think it is a nifty idea too (I actually used this yesterday), I suspect that we'll all have some heartburn over this as people stumble onto it, try to update their distro to older versions and end up with bloody stumps where their feet used to be. However, because I'm a masochist, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to advertise this as cygwin news on the front page of http://cygwin.com/. Also, (oh boy, what fun!) it would be nice if snapshots were archived, too. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Installer question
Is there a way to tell the installer never to update findutils? The current version of that package is still broken and every time I update other packages, it installs the newer findutils by default. I want it to ignore findutils while still updating other packages. TIA -- To reply by email remove _nospam -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Installer question
Chuck wrote: Is there a way to tell the installer never to update findutils? The current version of that package is still broken and every time I update other packages, it installs the newer findutils by default. I want it to ignore findutils while still updating other packages. Unfortunately, no. It would be nice. No-ones coded such behaviour, though. Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Installer question
Max Bowsher wrote: Unfortunately, no. I seem to recall that the setup hint file mechanism allows you to set an older version to be the current, while still allowing the newer version to be downloaded on request. If the package is broken for lots of people, perhaps findutils' maintainer should do that. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Charles Wilson wrote: Actually, I think this is a neat idea. I tried to do something like it for personal use about 18 months ago -- I wanted a one-time snapshot of the cygwin-1.3.x baseline just prior to the 1.5.x transition. But I waited too long (e.g. after packages which required 1.5.x had polluted the server), and couldn't untangle what was old/what was new well enough for my taste. So I gave up. Your mechanism is much better. I, too, hope you don't regret it. :-) Thanks Chuck! We'll see about the regret part :) Feel free to use it. -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Neven Luetic wrote: Hello, Greetings Neven, after a (stupid) attempt to install an older version of cygwin over my current installation (using the cygwin time machine mentioned some days ago) I just wanted to throw it away and start anew, but the cygwin directory is undeletable. Hmm... I see my site is causing some confusion. I'll update the doc concerning downgrading issues. In the mean time, the Cygwin FAQ does describe how to completely remove Cygwin from your machine if that's what you feel needs to be done. If you do feel you need a specific, older, version of Cygwin, then I'd recommend wiping and installing a base image of the older version, rather than trying to downgrade a current install. It might be useful to understand why you did the downgrade in the first place. If there is something broken in Cygwin, then getting on the most current release gives you a more likely condition to get help fixing it. This is due to some symbolic links from versions of uninstalled programs pointing to nowhere (i.e. /usr/autotool/devel/bin/automake, which is a symlink to automake-1.9). I am able to change owner and permissions of these files to whatever I want, but I can not delete them (Permission denied). What should I do, to get a clean new install? Wipe Cygwin using the instructions in the FAQ. Again, make sure any cygwin processes or services are stopped removed first. I see from later email that you are having problems removing some files (specifically symlinks). I'd check who actually owns those files, using the Windows Explorer, (right-click on file) Properties-Security tab. See who owns it. You might need to take ownership of the file, or login as the real owner if it was someone else (Administrator?). -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote: At 01:34 PM 1/25/2005, Dave Korn wrote: This subject is really off-topic for this list. The cygwin time machine is not a service supported by this list. Larry, you're being too harsh there! The how to uninstall procedure is standard advice and fully backwardly compatible. If we would give the uninstall advice to someone who never upgraded beyone 1.3.x, there's no reason not to give it to someone who has downgraded; we wouldn't tell the first person Oh, uninstalling 1.3.x is not supported, so first update your entire installation to 1.5.12, then follow this procedure., now would we? No, that's true. The uninstall procedure is documented in the FAQ. Anyone that wants it can find it there. But I didn't read Neven's request as a simple inquiry of how to uninstall Cygwin (which the FAQ does cover) but rather how do I fix this now that I installed an old version from the cygwin time mmachine and trying to uninstall it didn't work. I don't know why Neven had a problem but if the The removal instructions in the FAQ should apply, reguardless of which version of Cygwin he has. The instructions do cover most situations, but not in detail (eg: How do I uninstall inetd?), and, arguably, that's not something the FAQ needs to specifically address. prescribed approach given by the FAQ didn't work for him, then it seems reasonable to consult Peter's site with further questions. While I would agree that we cannot say that we don't support uninstalling of old versions, Neven says that he installed some old version over his current, which really isn't a supported option for Cygwin setup. There's the ability to downgrade an existing installation to the version just previous or there's the ability to install the previous version for the first time. But installing a previous version over a current installation isn't a recommended way of using setup even if you're not using the cygwin time machine. And if you are, well then there's a whole set In reality there's not a whole lot of difference between install the previous version and installing an older snapshot image. Setup runs the preremove scripts, removes all files from the package, then puts down the new/old files and runs the postinstll scripts. It's really more of an individual package compatability and dependency issue. But then, package compatability and dependency issues exist reguardless of weither your talking about Cygwin or Linux or AIX or HP-UX, etc. I've had situations where I was upgrading an old clean image to the latest stuff (from one of the official mirrors) and had Bad Things(tm) happen trying to revert a single package to it's official previous version afterwards. It's par for the course that packages are imperfect and cleaning up after yourself is never as simple and creating the mess in the first place. I, myself, recently added code to the zsh package to install a profile if not already present, and compare and remove that profile on deinstall. That's a new feature, where previously the package would just plop the file down and not care about it on deinstall. So, if you installed the previous version, de-installed it and installed the latest version, you'd still be stuck with the old version of that profile, and it would never get upgraded unless manual intervention is taken. of variations and options available that were not there heretofore. This is the reason I directed Neven back to Peter's site. Clearly, though, if Neven and others that use the cygwin time machine can get what they need from the cygwin.com web pages to help them with any problems they have after using the cygwin time machine, then that's great. But my position is that folks that have a problem after using Peter's site need to consult Peter, at least at first, the same as any other 3rd party site. I completely agree with Larry here. I've provided the rope for people to hang themselves, the least I can do is help them out when they are just dangling there (umm...sorry for the metaphor :). I will be adding doc to the webpage talking about the perils of downgrading, but in truth this subject should be noted in the normal FAQ concerning reverting to the previous version as well. Obviously, those who disagree with me are still free to answer the inevitable posts that we'll get here about the cygwin time machine anyway. With any luck, those posts will be few and far between so there will be little need to discuss how much noise of this kind is too much. Oh, come now, Larry. We had a hugh thread going concering the *content* of the fortune data files, which was totally off-topic for Cygwin, yet we all kept on beating that horse. Off-topic doesn't stop it from being discussed anyways. :) -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood --
Re: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:10:49AM -0800, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote: Obviously, those who disagree with me are still free to answer the inevitable posts that we'll get here about the cygwin time machine anyway. With any luck, those posts will be few and far between so there will be little need to discuss how much noise of this kind is too much. Oh, come now, Larry. We had a hugh thread going concering the *content* of the fortune data files, which was totally off-topic for Cygwin, yet we all kept on beating that horse. Off-topic doesn't stop it from being discussed anyways. :) *Bzt* Wrong answer. It was certainly on-topic to discuss the contents of files that are distributed in the cygwin package. However, even if it wasn't, pointing to previous behavior which you consider inappropriate and using it as an excuse to do the same is really a rather unpersuasive way to make a point. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:58:18PM -0500, Charles Wilson wrote: Actually, I think this is a neat idea. I tried to do something like it for personal use about 18 months ago -- I wanted a one-time snapshot of the cygwin-1.3.x baseline just prior to the 1.5.x transition. But I waited too long (e.g. after packages which required 1.5.x had polluted the server), and couldn't untangle what was old/what was new well enough for my taste. So I gave up. Your mechanism is much better. I, too, hope you don't regret it. :-) While I think it is a nifty idea too (I actually used this yesterday), I suspect that we'll all have some heartburn over this as people stumble onto it, try to update their distro to older versions and end up with bloody stumps where their feet used to be. Well, I do warn people not taunting Happy-Fun Ball :) Seriously, the time machine should be used prudently. I am beefing up the doc (which no-one ever reads, right? :) to try and head off as many problems as possible. Knowledge is power. And, I humbly offer free antacids and bandages to everyone on the list who suffers at the hands (feet?) of the time machine. However, because I'm a masochist, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to advertise this as cygwin news on the front page of http://cygwin.com/. Gosh, Chris, I'm flattered you'd consider it news worthy (well, flattered, shocked, amazed and confused...no, wait, confused is my normal state of being :). Obviously it's up to you all. Also, (oh boy, what fun!) it would be nice if snapshots were archived, too. Hmm... I think I can do that too. Lemme look into it. cgf -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:10:49AM -0800, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote: Obviously, those who disagree with me are still free to answer the inevitable posts that we'll get here about the cygwin time machine anyway. With any luck, those posts will be few and far between so there will be little need to discuss how much noise of this kind is too much. Oh, come now, Larry. We had a hugh thread going concering the *content* of the fortune data files, which was totally off-topic for Cygwin, yet we all kept on beating that horse. Off-topic doesn't stop it from being discussed anyways. :) *Bzt* Wrong answer. I didn't know there was a question...wait, what show am I on? :) It was certainly on-topic to discuss the contents of files that are distributed in the cygwin package. I disagree on that. For the fortune related thread(s), it was not so much what was going into the package, but weither that content should be censored or not. Gary and several others were trading barbs concering potty-mouth language and religious/political views. Should moral/religious/political discussions be consider on-topic, then? I really want to know. However, even if it wasn't, pointing to previous behavior which you consider inappropriate and using it as an excuse to do the same is really a rather unpersuasive way to make a point. It was more an observation than a point. And, while there are plenty of examples of this excuse in the archives, this kind of thing *does* continue to occur on this list, time and again. It's tantamount to saying no talking in class, yet whispers are traded none-the-less. I'm not justifying it, mind you. Meerly pointing out the reality of it. Sorry if I ruffle your feathers over it. cgf -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
I see from later email that you are having problems removing some files (specifically symlinks). I'd check who actually owns those files, using the Windows Explorer, (right-click on file) Properties-Security tab. See who owns it. You might need to take ownership of the file, or login as the real owner if it was someone else (Administrator?). I should have tried your advice earlier. It took me really long to figure this out, because I actually installed both versions under my domain login, so that all should have belonged to the same user. This was not the case; those symbolic links were owned by my computer login - in contrast to everything else, that could cleanly be deleted. However, installation over the current version of cygwin happened just by accident. The reason for the downgrade as such is the ssh hangs problem (aka Windows XP piping issue), that doesn't occur in 1.5.10-3. After having wiped out the installed version properly I have now been able to install the last 1.5.10-3 version without problems. Greetings Neven -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:25:45PM -0800, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Christopher Faylor wrote: However, because I'm a masochist, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to advertise this as cygwin news on the front page of http://cygwin.com/. Gosh, Chris, I'm flattered you'd consider it news worthy (well, flattered, shocked, amazed and confused...no, wait, confused is my normal state of being :). Obviously it's up to you all. This is actually up to you. If you think it's a good idea, then feel free to submit an article using the link at http://cygwin.com/ . I have no problems with people using whatever version they want as far as cygwin is concerned. They just have to understand that we're not supporting old versions here. That policy, aside from being just deliciously mean, is a pragmatic decision whose basis should be fairly obvious. It helps tremendously that someone like you is willing to behave responsibly, think about the problems with offering services like this, and make adjustments to deal with them so that users will be aware of issues and hopefully will impact on us minimally here. I think you're showing a true open source spirit in providing this service -- particularly since I know you understand the risks and the amount of work involved. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
At 02:10 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote: of variations and options available that were not there heretofore. This is the reason I directed Neven back to Peter's site. Clearly, though, if Neven and others that use the cygwin time machine can get what they need from the cygwin.com web pages to help them with any problems they have after using the cygwin time machine, then that's great. But my position is that folks that have a problem after using Peter's site need to consult Peter, at least at first, the same as any other 3rd party site. I completely agree with Larry here. I've provided the rope for people to hang themselves, the least I can do is help them out when they are just dangling there (umm...sorry for the metaphor :). I will be adding doc to the webpage talking about the perils of downgrading, but in truth this subject should be noted in the normal FAQ concerning reverting to the previous version as well. It's true that installing an old version over a current version isn't a faux-pas that can happen simply because the cygwin time machine is used, though it's probably more likely to occur (but maybe not... I hope not! :-) ) The Cygwin FAQ doesn't seem to be the right place for the Cygwin version of this information though. Maybe the UG is? Joshua, what's your thoughts on this? Obviously, those who disagree with me are still free to answer the inevitable posts that we'll get here about the cygwin time machine anyway. With any luck, those posts will be few and far between so there will be little need to discuss how much noise of this kind is too much. Oh, come now, Larry. We had a hugh thread going concering the *content* of the fortune data files, which was totally off-topic for Cygwin, yet we all kept on beating that horse. Off-topic doesn't stop it from being discussed anyways. :) Off-topic things will always be at least attempted here. You and I are saying the same thing. But just because the reality is that there will be off-topic discussions in the future does not mean that we shouldn't discourage them when they occur. Rules are made to be broken or bent. But if no attempt is ever made to enforce the rules, then why have them? (I'm hoping that's a rhetorical question! :-) ). FWIW, I can see that you're taking your responsibility as cygwin time machine maintainer seriously. None of my comments in this thread are meant to criticize your efforts in this vein. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Lynx - Unable to Shell
On Jan 25 09:08, Steven Read wrote: Really I did read the FAQ. By the way could I persuade you to release the API in PDF format?) You can easily create your own PDF from the DocBook XML files (available in CVS or the cygwin-doc src package) on linux with a command like: xmlto pdf cygwin-api.sgml I have not created PDFs since it is not possible to do so on Cygwin right now (no passivetex package). I may merge the API Reference into the User's Guide as an appendix soon, in which case it would be updated with the User's Guide. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin bughunt (FAQ alert?)
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:29:29 +0100, David Dindorp wrote: How about adding a line in the FAQ to the how to build cygwin (104) entry stating that the configure ; make mentioned does produce a Cygwin with all debugging symbols? And the link in the FAQ is wrong: How can I debug cygwin (entry 105) says: To build a debugging version of the Cygwin DLL, you will need to follow the instructions at http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC102.; The above should point to entry 104, not 102. Sorry, I'll fix this. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
startxwin.bat failing
Hi: I'm trying to run startxwin.bat on a Windows XP system. When I do, the Cygwin/X Server starts however when the terminal window comes up, I get the two following error messages: xterm: Can't execvp /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory xterm: Could not exec /bin/sh: No such file or directory. These look like things you would typically find on a unix box so it's not suprising to get these errors. However, xterm runs for others in my office on windows, but they don't know how it works or what to do to get around this. Any thoughts? Jon -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: startxwin.bat failing
Jon wrote: I'm trying to run startxwin.bat on a Windows XP system. When I do, the Cygwin/X Server starts however when the terminal window comes up, I get the two following error messages: xterm: Can't execvp /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory xterm: Could not exec /bin/sh: No such file or directory. These look like things you would typically find on a unix box so it's not suprising to get these errors. However, xterm runs for others in my office on windows, but they don't know how it works or what to do to get around this. Questions about X11 belong in a different mailing list. cygwin-xfree AT cygwin.com. Please use that list for replies to this thread. I would say you also need to review http://cygwin.com/problems.html for how to ask for help. Especially heed the part about attaching the cygcheck output to your post. It sounds like you have a simple PATH or mounts problem but you've not given nearly enough information for anyone to be able to diagnose it, which the cygcheck output will provide. Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Problem uninstalling/deleting cygwin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote: At 02:10 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote: of variations and options available that were not there heretofore. This is the reason I directed Neven back to Peter's site. Clearly, though, if Neven and others that use the cygwin time machine can get what they need from the cygwin.com web pages to help them with any problems they have after using the cygwin time machine, then that's great. But my position is that folks that have a problem after using Peter's site need to consult Peter, at least at first, the same as any other 3rd party site. I completely agree with Larry here. I've provided the rope for people to hang themselves, the least I can do is help them out when they are just dangling there (umm...sorry for the metaphor :). I will be adding doc to the webpage talking about the perils of downgrading, but in truth this subject should be noted in the normal FAQ concerning reverting to the previous version as well. I've update the document in an attempt to further clarify the position and intent of the Time Machine and it's relation to the Cygwin project. It's true that installing an old version over a current version isn't a faux-pas that can happen simply because the cygwin time machine is used, though it's probably more likely to occur (but maybe not... I hope not! :-) ) The Cygwin FAQ doesn't seem to be the right place for the Cygwin version of this information though. Maybe the UG is? Joshua, what's your thoughts on this? The UG might be a better place at that. I, myself, never know quite where a good place for these kinds of things would be. Obviously, those who disagree with me are still free to answer the inevitable posts that we'll get here about the cygwin time machine anyway. With any luck, those posts will be few and far between so there will be little need to discuss how much noise of this kind is too much. Oh, come now, Larry. We had a hugh thread going concering the *content* of the fortune data files, which was totally off-topic for Cygwin, yet we all kept on beating that horse. Off-topic doesn't stop it from being discussed anyways. :) Off-topic things will always be at least attempted here. You and I are saying the same thing. But just because the reality is that there will be off-topic discussions in the future does not mean that we shouldn't discourage them when they occur. Rules are made to be broken or bent. But if no attempt is ever made to enforce the rules, then why have them? (I'm hoping that's a rhetorical question! :-) ). But that... oh, wait, you said rhetorical... never mind :) FWIW, I can see that you're taking your responsibility as cygwin time machine maintainer seriously. None of my comments in this thread are meant to criticize your efforts in this vein. None taken. But, if you would like to critic it, please do. I try to take seriously all comments and suggestions. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin bughunt (FAQ alert?)
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:36:50 -0800, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:29:29 +0100, David Dindorp wrote: And the link in the FAQ is wrong: How can I debug cygwin (entry 105) says: To build a debugging version of the Cygwin DLL, you will need to follow the instructions at http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC102.; The above should point to entry 104, not 102. Sorry, I'll fix this. Fixed. By the way, does anyone know exactly what Devel packages are required to build Cygwin? I used to just think install everything but now there's a lot of new X or GNOME related stuff. I know I've got more than I need installed, but I'm thinking that would be useful information for the FAQ and/or a README in CVS. binutils gcc make gettext-devel ?? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
Peter A. Castro wrote: might find it useful or interesting. Unfortinately, it only goes back to April of 2002, though I actually have package versions going back further, but not the setup.ini to go with them. You didn't mention the b20/20.1 release. If you and anyone doesn't have it and wants it for some odd reason... ftp://jlsysinc.gotdns.com/pub/cygwin-b20/ Access might be slow and flaky. -- J. Lambert -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin bughunt (FAQ alert?)
Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: Fixed. By the way, does anyone know exactly what Devel packages are required to build Cygwin? I used to just think install everything but now there's a lot of new X or GNOME related stuff. I know I've got more than I need installed, but I'm thinking that would be useful information for the FAQ and/or a README in CVS. binutils gcc make gettext-devel ?? I was actually a little curious about this, so I did a little experiment. I sequestered away my normal Cygwin installation and started with a fresh install. Aside from the default base packages that setup.exe intstalls out of the gate, I found that I only had to actually select three packages in setup: gcc, make, and perl. (and Perl was required only for gendef it seems.) After doing that I was able to build the Cygwin DLL from the source package. Additional things may be required to build from a CVS checkout, I'm not sure. And of course the dependencies of those packages are required (i.e. gcc brings in w32api, binutils, mingw-runtime, ...; perl brings in crypt, expat, ...) but from a user standpoint if you're using setup those are apparently the only three individual packages you need to select. If you want an absolute list, here is my cygcheck -c for this test environment, which was the result of default install plus selecting gcc, make, and perl: Cygwin Package Information Package VersionStatus _update-info-dir 00231-1OK ash 20040127-1 OK base-files 3.2-1 OK base-passwd 2.1-1 OK bash 2.05b-16 OK binutils 20041229-1 OK bzip21.0.2-6OK coreutils5.2.1-5OK crypt1.1-1 OK cygutils 1.2.5-1OK cygwin 1.5.12-1 OK cygwin-doc 1.4-1 OK diffutils2.8.7-1OK editrights 1.01-1 OK expat1.95.8-1 OK findutils20041227-1 OK gawk 3.1.4-3OK gcc 3.3.3-3OK gcc-core 3.3.3-3OK gcc-g++ 3.3.3-3OK gcc-mingw-core 20040810-1 OK gcc-mingw-g++20040810-1 OK gdbm 1.8.3-7OK grep 2.5-1 OK groff1.18.1-2 OK gzip 1.3.5-1OK less 381-1 OK libbz2_1 1.0.2-6OK libcharset1 1.9.2-1OK libdb4.2 4.2.52-1 OK libgdbm 1.8.0-5OK libgdbm-devel1.8.3-7OK libgdbm3 1.8.3-3OK libgdbm4 1.8.3-7OK libiconv 1.9.2-1OK libiconv21.9.2-1OK libintl1 0.10.40-1 OK libintl2 0.12.1-3 OK libintl3 0.14.1-1 OK libncurses5 5.2-1 OK libncurses6 5.2-8 OK libncurses7 5.3-4 OK libncurses8 5.4-1 OK libpcre 4.1-1 OK libpcre0 4.5-1 OK libpopt0 1.6.4-4OK libreadline4 4.1-2 OK libreadline5 4.3-5 OK libreadline6 5.0-1 OK login1.9-7 OK make 3.80-1 OK man 1.5o1-1OK mingw-runtime3.7-1 OK mktemp 1.5-3 OK ncurses 5.4-1 OK perl 5.8.6-2OK readline 5.0-1 OK sed 4.1.2-1OK tar 1.13.25-5 OK termcap 20021106-2 OK terminfo 5.4_20041009-1 OK texinfo 4.7-2 OK w32api 3.2-1 OK which1.6-1 OK zlib 1.2.2-1OK Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Help! Need B.20.1 src
On Sun, 2005-23-01 at 16:03 +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jan 23 09:28, John Mellor wrote: On Sat, 2005-22-01 at 20:22 -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 05:17:44PM -0800, Brian Dessent wrote: I don't know if the ancient Bxx series was LGPL, but the current Cygwin source is GPL which means you must provide not only the Cygwin DLL source but also all the source of your app that links to it. There is a mailing list to discuss this: cygwin-licensing at cygwin dot com. I think that cygwin has been GPL since early 1997. So, you're right. I can't believe I missed this. Anything that uses the Cygwin DLL is GPLed. In fact, I cannot ship the source for the app if I wanted to, as that would then publish some of the Customer's proprietary trade secrets. If you linked your application against the Cygwin DLL, then this application *is* GPL'd. Full stop up to this point. You don't have to publish the sources to the world, but you have to publish your sources to your customer. Your customer has the right to get the source code of your application and the Cygwin DLL. If you didn't do this so far, you're violating the license. However, if I read the specific version of the GPL that is being used for cygwin correctly, then it says: In accordance with section 10 of the GPL, Red Hat permits programs whose sources are distributed under a license that complies with the Open Source definition to be linked with libcygwin.a/cygwin1.dll without libcygwin.a/cygwin1.dll itself causing the resulting program to be covered by the GNU GPL. [...] I believe that my app meets this criteria, and this then prevents me from being between a rock and a hard place;^) I don't see how that applies to your application. The above paragraph only mentions that open source applications are excempted from that rule, not proprietary software as yours. You have two choices: - Comply with the GPL in one way or the other, which always means your application is also GPLed and you have to open the source code to your customer. - Or, you ask Red Hat for a special Cygwin License according to this paragraph on http://cygwin.com/licensing.html: Red Hat sells a special Cygwin License for customers who are unable to provide their application in open source code form. For more information, please see: http://www.redhat.com/software/cygwin/, or call +1-866-2REDHAT ext. 45300 (toll-free in the US) Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I read that incorrectly. I have no problem passing on the full source code to the Customer (after all, that's what they paid me to work on), but I can't pass it on to other parties as it contains some code fragments that implement their trade secrets, and doing so would violate the trade secrecy laws. So, am I safe if I give the Customer the source for an app that is linked against cygwin1.dll, but not also publish it to the whole world? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Help Needed!!!
Hello, I am running cygwin on a Win2k machine. I have a C program that I am compiling using gcc. Upon execution from the prompt, the program just exits without any output. When I run gdb on the executable,I set the first breakpoint at main() and run the program. However, the program segfaults before getting to main. Upon backtrace,I get the following output: (gdb) b main Breakpoint 1 at 0x4013d6: file iclsn_main.c, line 201. (gdb) r Starting program: /cygdrive/c/prm60_0/proj/geni600/bin/iclsn_main.exe Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x61071dbb in cygwin_split_path () from /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (gdb) bt #0 0x61071dbb in cygwin_split_path () from /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll #1 0x610718f2 in cygwin_split_path () from /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll #2 0x61071a44 in cygwin_split_path () from /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll #3 0x61005b94 in getprogname () from /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll My machine details are- CYGWIN_NT-5.0 ABHANDAR01 1.5.10(0.116/4/2) 2004-05-25 22:07 i686 unknown unknown Cygwin Any help will be appreciated! Thanks in advance, Amit The information contained in this message is proprietary of Amdocs, protected from disclosure, and may be privileged. The information is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s) of the message. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
At 11:05 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: might find it useful or interesting. Unfortinately, it only goes back to April of 2002, though I actually have package versions going back further, but not the setup.ini to go with them. You didn't mention the b20/20.1 release. If you and anyone doesn't have it and wants it for some odd reason... ftp://jlsysinc.gotdns.com/pub/cygwin-b20/ Access might be slow and flaky. Almost time for me to go dig up my zip disks with B19 and B18 as well as my boatload of diskettes with b17, b16, and b14. Sorry, I didn't save b13 or b12. Someone else will have to recoup those and continue the march into the 'b' single digits. ;-) Larry Trivia alert: Who else remembers why there was no b15 release? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Time Machine
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Jon A. Lambert wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: might find it useful or interesting. Unfortinately, it only goes back to April of 2002, though I actually have package versions going back further, but not the setup.ini to go with them. You didn't mention the b20/20.1 release. If you and anyone doesn't have it and wants it for some odd reason... Hmm... How complete is it? Did you pull all the source packages as well? Did you keep the setup.ini with it? What about the setup.exe itself? ftp://jlsysinc.gotdns.com/pub/cygwin-b20/ Access might be slow and flaky. Yep, I can't seem to get there right now. I'll try again later. -- J. Lambert -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
script program
Hello, I know this question has only been recently on this list, but I can't seem to find the answer anymore, and the cygwin mail archive is dead slow this morning, so here I go : In which package is the 'script' utility located, or is it a package which is outside the standard Cygwin repository ? Regards, Jurgen Defurne -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
