Re: side effects of Cygwin's maximum memory test
Dave Korn kirjoitti: Original Message From: Jani Tiainen Sent: 03 May 2005 15:26 Dave Korn kirjoitti: On May 3 00:25, Utku Ozcan wrote: I *think* that the test below, which tests memory allocation limit of Cygwin *might* produce problems in Windows XP: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/cygwin-ug-net/setup-maxmem.html In this page, I have compiled the C code, and after having run the compiled executable, Windows XP gave suddenly a warning that virtual memory setting has been changed (I think, that repeated malloc() calls in this code somehow change the virtual memory settings in Windows XP). Interestingly enough, there _is_ some kind of problem here.I haven't been hit by any HD problem, but when I tried the test program, it gave me an ever-increasing series of values, and then suddenly stopped working altogether and wouldn't recover! Interesting enough.. I get consistent 1536MB allocation. But some times maxmem freezes machine for a while... No leak detected.. I need to reboot to get my machine to work properly again! Is your machine set to allow windows to manage the paging file size? I have a fixed allocation of exactly 2Gb, and have disabled the "System managed size" option; perhaps this is the difference between your machine and mine. The pauses you describe certainly seem likely candidates for 'doze to be growing the pagefile. Actually I've limits... 1152 start (current size), 2304 as max size... So can't be. And I've 768MB memory which approx 256MB is used... So don't get it... On first run I didn't have any limits set in registy, I got only 1024MB... after setting limit to 2GB it hitted 1536MB... Not growing but pausing.. It even happened on 1024MB times... Maybe it swapped in/out something. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: side effects of Cygwin's maximum memory test
Dave Korn kirjoitti: Original Message From: Corinna Vinschen Sent: 03 May 2005 10:06 On May 3 00:25, Utku Ozcan wrote: I *think* that the test below, which tests memory allocation limit of Cygwin *might* produce problems in Windows XP: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/cygwin-ug-net/setup-maxmem.html In this page, I have compiled the C code, and after having run the compiled executable, Windows XP gave suddenly a warning that virtual memory setting has been changed (I think, that repeated malloc() calls in this code somehow change the virtual memory settings in Windows XP). Not really. Corinna Interestingly enough, there _is_ some kind of problem here.I haven't been hit by any HD problem, but when I tried the test program, it gave me an ever-increasing series of values, and then suddenly stopped working altogether and wouldn't recover! Interesting enough.. I get consistent 1536MB allocation. But some times maxmem freezes machine for a while... No leak detected.. Running Windows XP Pro SP 2 with AMD64, cygwin.dll 1.5.14-1 -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup alternatives (was Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent)
Max Bowsher kirjoitti: Jani Tiainen wrote: Why to reinvent wheel..? You could use existing systems, like Debian package-system (deb), RPM-system like Fedora Core/RedHat, or Gentoo's Emerge. All working, proven technologies. Would you like to have a go at porting one of them to Windows, then? Sorry to say but I'm too busy with my current Planner porting (and enhancing). And I use less and less cygwin every day. Also, what about a GUI? I'm not familiar with RPM thingies, but I know that there exists GUI's for them. For DEB there is of course aptitude (curses-based) and at least Synaptic , GTK+ based. I would very much like to see an RPM or DEB based Cygwin, but I've never had a suitably large chunk of free time to devote to such an undertaking. I recently tried to get rpm-4.4.1 working on Cygwin, but although it compiled, it segfaulted immediately on startup. Of course, really we would need a native Windows port, which would be even harder. In my experience porting GTK+ is pretty easy, if lucky it goes without real pain... I think that one of the feasible could be some GUI + needed packages to put up in single setupfile.. (similiar to "net install" images for Linux distros). After that it launches GUI and let user to select rest of packages. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup alternatives (was Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent)
Max Bowsher kirjoitti: James Renton wrote: What about http://sourceforge.net/projects/wix/? There are very many installer builders for windows, but none that I have seen manage many independently updated packages with interdependencies, in the way that our current setup does. Max. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:39 PM To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: setup alternatives (was Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent) On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:57:18PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote: I for one appreciate the clarification as I sent a detailed bug-report to this person assuming they were the maintainer. My question as I've asked before is, can or is someone working on improving accessibility of setup.exe for those of us who have to use windows via a screenreader and keyboard. Many of the buttons and controlls do not get focus and can't be opperated in the normal manner. Did you happen to follow the "setup.exe sucks" thread over in cygwin-apps? Basically, it boils down to the fact that I and others are not really thrilled with setup.exe in its current form. While it is an impressive program in some ways, the UI is (apparently) too non-intuitive and the mean-time between bug fixes is too long. Are you aware of a setup-like program out there which "gets it right" as far as UI is concerned? It would be nice to transition to an open-sources alternative which was actively supported. cgf Why to reinvent wheel..? You could use existing systems, like Debian package-system (deb), RPM-system like Fedora Core/RedHat, or Gentoo's Emerge. All working, proven technologies. Most setups in Windows works in "complete package" way. (For some reason or another), so you really are used to install "everything", or at least very large packages. You don't have such a finegrained control over installation as Linux distributions tend to have... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: gcc 3.3.3, const symbols and shared libraries
Norton Allen wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Norton Allen wrote: I have seen the discussions at http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/2004-09/msg01101.html referenced at http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/msg00048.html regarding gcc 3.3.3's placement of const symbols into rdata which then cannot be properly initialized. This problem seems pretty fundamental. Can anyone tell me whether there has been any followup to this? Is it considered a cygwin problem or a gcc problem? Has it been addressed in 3.4.1? What are developers doing? Going back to 3.3.1? The rule is to not use const symbols in shared libraries if they are not really const;) What do you mean by "really?" These are const from the standpoint of "defined once and never changed thereafter," but they are not finally defined until the link against shared libraries. Well, it is pointer and defined once and changed never there after... But they are initially defined when library is built, but then changed once you load application that is linked against library. So you actually end up having it initialized twice. Note that C(++) doesn't have concept of uninitialized data. All data is initialized to some (known) value at the time of compile. It's currently an issue because it requires changes to quite a few packages. In the past week, I had to remove const declarations from glib-2.6.3 and gtk+-2.6.4 to get them to compile. Are these changes that are uniquely required by cygwin, or are these going to be required for all gcc platforms? This is problem of Windows platform and GCC... In windows newest GCC puts constants in RDATA section, which is _read only_ for /application/. But because you have pointer to a data which should be changed (initialized) after relocation it should be writable by /application/. So this is actually one of those PITA features of Windows platform, and there is little you can do. Actually GCC should be smart enough to make decision about is "const" really a constant or a pointer to a data and change location of constant (in Windows platform. I don't think this applies to anywhere else). But until it GCC can do something like that, best way is to not to have "constant" variables that are not really constants in shared libraries. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Compiling purely native (mingw) win32 apps under cygwin...
Larry Hall kirjoitti: At 05:42 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: Hi all! I was wondering what I have to do to get purely native win32 app to build under cygwin. I know that -mnocygwin directive drops out dependency to cygwin1.dll, but how about other libraries? How I can make a separate sandbox for my purposes that in any case even two versions of libs exists cygwin uses only my own libs..? If you don't want or need the Cygwin layer, you can always just download, install, and use the MinGW version of gcc/g++ (see www.mingw.org). The '-mno-cygwin' flag to the Cygwin version of gcc/g++ is meant to be a convenient option to get the same results as the MinGW version without installing a copy. Still, if MinGW is what you want and all you ever want, you're better off using it that the Cygwin switch. If you're ever unsure about which DLLs got linked into your executable/DLL, simply run 'cygcheck ', where is the executable/DLL in question. It will list all the implicitly loaded DLL dependencies. If there are any Cygwin dependencies, you'll see them. Well I need Cygwin for build environment since mingw/msys package doesn't work well with automake/autoconf. But still is there some special environment vars (like PKG_CONFIG_PATH) that I have to set to make things sure..? And of course I use Cygwin for ssh + xorg connectivity to my Linux server... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Compiling purely native (mingw) win32 apps under cygwin...
Hi all! I was wondering what I have to do to get purely native win32 app to build under cygwin. I know that -mnocygwin directive drops out dependency to cygwin1.dll, but how about other libraries? How I can make a separate sandbox for my purposes that in any case even two versions of libs exists cygwin uses only my own libs..? Thank you for answers, and Happy Easter to all of you who celebrates it. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: installing cygwin (for C++)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Hi, I want to know what all pacakegs I need to install to be able to compile and run C++ programs .Can you also please suggest mirrors which contain these.Iam installing using setup.exe Well, if you just need to compile Win32 apps, I suggest to try MinGW, or better yet, Bloodshed Dev-C++ IDE, much easier to setup (specially latter) than Cygwin, but using these tools doesn't enable some functionalty found in *nix systems. Of course, if you need good POSIX/*nix thingies, or libraries commonly found under *nix systems, Cygwin is choice for you. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: /dev/hda overwritten on local cygwin mirror
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Hello Cygwin Gurus, Our cygwin mirror is on a linux box running trustix secure linux version 2.0. I decided to upgrade to trustix secure linux 2.2 and as I was about to created a bootdisk for a network install, I inadvertently typed: [clipped very sad thing that happened] Since this really doesn't involve Cygwin in any other way than files are part of Cygwin, you're better to ask your question in some Linux spesific group about such a problem. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: customizing bash
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Hi, I am a new cygwin user. I am not able to locate the .profile, .login .bashrc etc bash files, so I can use it to customize bash. I understand from various installation instruction that I red that the HOME env variable needs to be set for this. I followed the instructions given in many cygwin guides and install docs and updated my HOME environment variable both in my Windows system environment variable tab as HOME=C:\Documents and Settings\vshastri And updated in cygwin.bat as follows before starting the bash shell: @echo off C: chdir C:\cygwin\bin set HOME=C:\Documents and Settings\vshastri bash --login –i I verified my update when I printed my environment variables and got the following (only showing relevant fields): $ env !::=::\ !C:=C:\cygwin\bin ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\All Users ANT_HOME=C:\ant-1.6.2 APPDATA=C:\Documents and Settings\vshastri\Application Data CATALINA_HOME=C:\jakarta-tomcat-5.5.4 COMMONPROGRAMFILES=C:\Program Files\Common Files …. CVS_RSH=/bin/ssh FP_NO_HOST_CHECK=NO HOME=/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/vshastri HOMEDRIVE=C: HOMEPATH=\Documents and Settings\vshastri HOMESHARE=\\nas\users …… OLDPWD=/cygdrive/c/cygwin/usr/bin OS=Windows_NT Despite all these setup, I am still not able to see the creation of .profile, .login etc Please Help. How do I setup and access these files so I can ustomize my shell? Thanks Well, you have to create files by yourself with your favourite editor. If you really need basic files: cp /etc/skel/* ~ chown `echo $USER`: .bash_profile .bashrc .inputrc -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Unable to properly execute a let statement from a shell script
Paolo Gesmundo kirjoitti: Hi all, I am running bash on XP I have a very simple script a.sh a.sh: export P=1 let Q=$P+1 echo P=$P echo Q=$Q Case 1) If at prompt I run: a.sh let: not found P=1 Q= Case 2) If I run: bash a.sh P=1 Q=2 I know that I could modify a.sh by adding #!/bin/bash at the top of the file but I would need to avoid this otherwise I have to modify too many scripts Is there a way to run a.sh like in Case 1 and get the proper result like in Case 2? No. Because there is no specifiaction which shell system must use if you omit that from first comment line. It can use same as users, or sh, csh, ksh, bash or what ever it might comeup. So you have to but it there to be sure, and by using simple script you can do it in a batch so there is very little manual work needed. So, script execution (note that running script is _always_ done in new shell process in *nix style system) is a bit different from Windows/DOS batch files. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: strange problems with cvs
Nuno Lopes kirjoitti: I use CVS with cygwin a long time ago, but after a recent updte it stoped working. I'm using pserver auth and the cygwin is installed with *DOS* line-endings. When I try to do something with cvs -1.11.17- (cvs up, cvs diff, etc..) it simply returns: ": no such repository" Normally if I close cygwin, run the setup again (without installing anything) and opening cygwin again fixes the problem. If I do a fresh checkout, it will checkout the files with *unix* file-endings, which isn't what I asked for.. Does anyone knows whats the problem here? I think it might be cause of the release of the lastest dll version. (I update cygwin often..) Seems like you have encountered fancy EOL problem. To be safe use unix line-endings since CVS is pretty picky about those. And of course if you want to use DOS type line endings, use real win32 version of CVS. It had always worked, so there might be some change in the code that caused this... Anyway, the files in the cvs server use the unix EOL, but on my pc they use the win EOL. But cvs used to handle this for me.. This might be due difference between binary/textmode mounts in cygwin... Maybe they change for a reason or another in some of your updates... I've encountered numerous problems with CVS due the line-endings... Any decent text editor should be handle both CR+LF or LF/CR only line-endings and preserving existing ones... If yours doesn't it's time to upgrade... I have vim, but I still like to use notepad, which only works with \r\n... Is there anything I can do to help solving this problem ASAP? Getting a bit offtopic, but I personally use scite, or to be precise wscite, scintilla based editor. Small, extremely lightweight and fast, has decent code colouring, block wrapping and such. And best of all, works well with different line-endings. Of course there is some good alternatives in Cygwin distribution also... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: strange problems with cvs
Nuno Lopes kirjoitti: Hi, I use CVS with cygwin a long time ago, but after a recent updte it stoped working. I'm using pserver auth and the cygwin is installed with *DOS* line-endings. When I try to do something with cvs -1.11.17- (cvs up, cvs diff, etc..) it simply returns: ": no such repository" Normally if I close cygwin, run the setup again (without installing anything) and opening cygwin again fixes the problem. If I do a fresh checkout, it will checkout the files with *unix* file-endings, which isn't what I asked for.. Does anyone knows whats the problem here? I think it might be cause of the release of the lastest dll version. (I update cygwin often..) Seems like you have encountered fancy EOL problem. To be safe use unix line-endings since CVS is pretty picky about those. And of course if you want to use DOS type line endings, use real win32 version of CVS. I've encountered numerous problems with CVS due the line-endings... Any decent text editor should be handle both CR+LF or LF/CR only line-endings and preserving existing ones... If yours doesn't it's time to upgrade... (Of course there might be problem in bin/textmode mounts) cygcheck output would do good here... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Compile mingw32 code under cygwin
I'm trying to compile some code natively under windoze by using mingw32 compilation. Problem is that I have same libraries for both worlds, Cygwin and mingw32. How I can tell in configure-phase that gcc can use libraries only from spesified location, like /target/lib and includes from /target/include and nothing under /lib or /usr/lib nor /include... pkg should fail when library that exists under cygwin but not under mingw system... Now it finds always cygwin counterparts if no mingw version is found and that's bad thing. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
libgnomeprint
Apparently libgnomeprint doesn't support pdf-printing. Any chances to get it working? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Gnome libs and libresolv
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Jani Tiainen wrote: I found out that many ported gnome libs are dependant to libresolv, unfortunately I was unable to find one.. Any hints where I could get that one for Cygwin? Can't fault you, as a package search for "libresolv" returns nothing. Had you tried searching for "resolv.h", however, you'd've found that you need to install the "minires-devel" package. The minires-devel postinstall script creates a symlink from /usr/lib/libminires.dll.a to /usr/lib/libresolv.a. Igor P.S. I wonder if there's a way to create manifests of files/symlinks potentially created by postinstall scripts, to be used in package searches? Well, since I don't personally need resolv.h (it just something needed to link in gnome packages) I couldn't even guess.. But it's very obvious.. I think there is lot to improve with package management in Cygwin, since these kind of a guestions would never appear due properly handled dependencies. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Gnome libs and libresolv
Jani Tiainen wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Jani Tiainen wrote: I found out that many ported gnome libs are dependant to libresolv, unfortunately I was unable to find one.. Any hints where I could get that one for Cygwin? WE have the package minres, it includes all needed to replace libresolv and also creates a symlink named libresolv after installation. Great, and that was really obvious. =) One side note: "minires-devel: Development tools to build programs using minires." Never could guess that it means "libresolv". Wonder why there isn't really field for long description / dependencies display in setup... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Gnome libs and libresolv
Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Jani Tiainen wrote: I found out that many ported gnome libs are dependant to libresolv, unfortunately I was unable to find one.. Any hints where I could get that one for Cygwin? WE have the package minres, it includes all needed to replace libresolv and also creates a symlink named libresolv after installation. Great, and that was really obvious. =) -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Gnome libs and libresolv
I found out that many ported gnome libs are dependant to libresolv, unfortunately I was unable to find one.. Any hints where I could get that one for Cygwin? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD
Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jani Tiainen wrote: | I'm trying to compile app that uses docbook but even I installed all | necessary packages I end up having error while running 'configure': | | checking which XML catalog to use... /etc/xml/catalog | checking for DocBook XML DTD... configure: error: not found. Make sure | you have the DocBook DTD installed and ensure that it is registered in | /etc/xml/catalog. [snip] | I found out some references to additional "buildcatalog" script, but is | that needed or do I have to specify some environment variable or | parameter for configure? Well you'd think the docbook-xml42 postinstall script would do this, but it doesn't. Based on the BLFS book, I did the following: xmlcatalog --noout --add "public" \ ~"-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.2//EN" \ ~"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd"; \ ~/etc/xml/catalog && This should work at least for configure. For the program (BTW, what is it?) to run however, you may need more; see this for an example (although I'd send everything to /etc/xml/catalog instead of making a separate /etc/xml/docbook, and our installation path is somewhat different): Better late than ever... I compiled scrollkeeper, since Planner project management application needs that for something. Soon we will have project management software (like MSProject) working under Cygwin. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD
Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: Maybe the docbook-xml42 maintainer could help us all out with this one? ~ Or Gerrit, what did you do for gtk-doc? gtk-doc requires 'OpenSP openjade perl', should it depend on docbook-x* too? At least the postinstall script to install the default catalogs should be in the docbook package. I have a script which I use locally, the original is here (this was updated recently, defaults to version 4.1.2 and takes a switch to change the version now): http://xmlsoft.org/buildDocBookCatalog My modified version (was not updated recently, version 4.1.2 hardcoded, but has some other changes) is here: http://anfaenger.de/cygwin/docbook/buildDocBookCatalog It should output s.th. like this: $ /usr/bin/buildDocBookCatalog Found DocBook XML 4.1.2 DTD in /usr/share/xml/docbook-4.1.2 Found ISO DocBook entities in /usr/share/xml/docbook-4.1.2/ent Found DocBook XSLT stylesheets in /usr/share/docbook-xsl Actually in my installation I have no /usr/share/xml/docbook-4.1.2, instead I have usr/share docbook-xml42, and under /usr/share/xml is _only_ libglade subdir... Wondered that while looking those one of scripts... Are packages installed improperly in wrong directory? And I was using latest packages available at ftp.funet.fi... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD
Jani Tiainen wrote: I'm trying to compile app that uses docbook but even I installed all necessary packages I end up having error while running 'configure': checking which XML catalog to use... /etc/xml/catalog checking for DocBook XML DTD... configure: error: not found. Make sure you have the DocBook DTD installed and ensure that it is registered in /etc/xml/catalog. Line that is used to test catalog existing is: and $XML_CATALOG="/etc/xml/catalog" for vers in 4.2 4.1.2; do if xmlcatalog $XML_CATALOG "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V$vers//EN" >/dev/null ; then db_found=$vers break fi done I found out some references to additional "buildcatalog" script, but is that needed or do I have to specify some environment variable or parameter for configure? Aswering to myself... Added parameter --with-xml-catalog=/usr/share/docbook-xml42/catalog.xml for configure sciprt solved problem. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Missing DocBook XML DTD
I'm trying to compile app that uses docbook but even I installed all necessary packages I end up having error while running 'configure': checking which XML catalog to use... /etc/xml/catalog checking for DocBook XML DTD... configure: error: not found. Make sure you have the DocBook DTD installed and ensure that it is registered in /etc/xml/catalog. Line that is used to test catalog existing is: and $XML_CATALOG="/etc/xml/catalog" for vers in 4.2 4.1.2; do if xmlcatalog $XML_CATALOG "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V$vers//EN" >/dev/null ; then db_found=$vers break fi done I found out some references to additional "buildcatalog" script, but is that needed or do I have to specify some environment variable or parameter for configure? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: http://rateless.com/ GPL violation?
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 01:59:12PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: Does anyone know if there is source code available for the binary downloads from <http://rateless.com/>? I've sent a message requesting that they provide source code for their programs but it seems like this is YA case of someone assuming that they get to use cygwin without paying attention to the cygwin license? Ah. I see the sources will be available "shortly". I'm looking for the word "shortly" in the GPL now. Hmm. Can't seem to find it... And if you look their "Rateless Public License", it violates licence of GPL that permits modifiction, selling etc. as far as sources are provided for further modifications. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Distributing Cygwin-based software
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, Soeren Nils Kuklau wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, Soeren Nils Kuklau wrote: This is *not* the right list for discussing how to subvert the existing Cygwin installations on users' machines by distributing your own copy of cygwin1.dll (though this *has* been discussed in the past - search the list archives). Okay, but what /would/ be the right place? Since I don't think people will be willing to install Cygwin just for being able to use a single other piece of software... So try MinGW... > Think Gtk for Windows programs (such as Gaim): they come with the proper frameworks included, so the user won't have to worry about that. So try MinGW... See also <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#3PP>... :-) MinGW works greatly... And take GIMP as an example. You need sparate GTK package installed. Just like many new .NET apps needs .NET Framework installed - separately. Just to use _single_ application. Why does this differ from installing Cygwin? Execpt other is enforced and offered by Microsoft other by bunch of maniacs... (No offence =) At the same time, however, we do not want Windows-based users to feel forced into Cygwin's behaviours. We want to distribute a Windows application - GPL'd, with some Unix-style quirks, and compatible to the other major OS'es out there, but Windows nevertheless. So maybe the MinGW project is more like what you're looking for, then. Indeed; we're looking into it. Be aware, though, that you won't get full POSIX functionality that Cygwin provides -- only those parts that are directly supported by the MSVC runtime. In particular, you'll lose the ability to understand POSIX (Cygwin) filenames. There also exists GnuWin32 libraries that has very, very _minimal_ set of POSIX functions to make many libraries and applications to work. Those who truly want a full Unix experience wouldn't use Windows in the first place, and thus not Cygwin either. This is not true at all (to put it mildly). Those who want POSIX behavior on Windows *will* (and *do*) use Cygwin. But this particular point is better <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TITTTL>ed. Right, but I wouldn't define "POSIX behaviour" as "full Unix experience" ;-) Hey, we're getting there -- see the efforts on porting Gnome to Cygwin... Microsoft also offers "competitive" package, SFU that has, mainly libs for POSIX stuff. It doesn't contain all magnificent applications that Cygwin does, like X11 and SSH (which are great tools when used together.) But yes, that's OT. Yep. A perfect topic for the cygwin-talk list... ;-) That list doesn't exists in GMane... =( -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Distributing Cygwin-based software
Dave Korn wrote: -Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Soeren Nils Kuklau Sent: 14 October 2004 20:32 we're working on a cross-platform server daemon, and on the Windows side, we have chosen to use Cygwin for POSIX compatibility reasons. Can I have a copy of your source code please? Only if daemon is published (or distributed)... =) Until then, you'll have to wait. (GPL section 2) After distributing to "outside" you can have your copy. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#InternalDistribution) -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Virtual (meta-) packages
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:08:04AM +0300, Jani Tiainen wrote: Could setup be extended (or even used in current form) to have virtual packages that could install some basic tools as a whole working combination, like X11 server? More or less like it is done in Debian (my favourite Linux distribution) I recently wondered where my X11 start scripts went and found out that I've missing startup-scripts. It would be more convenient to have virtual package that installs "all" for that first time so you don't have to know what you're installing... It would be helpful. If you want all of the X packages then click on the "Default" next to the X11 category in "Select Packages" dialog until it says "Install". Not all, but working set. With Debian there is lot's of virtual packages that works for great startpoint for different jobs. They in most cases install set that will work or help to make bigger task to work. Like X11, basic C-developement tools, gnome, kde etc. environment Basically this works now, only thing is to ensure that setup.exe can accept packages that don't install themselves but instead they just pickup other packages for installation. Would be more convenient for me, and I quess that for someone else too... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Virtual (meta-) packages
Could setup be extended (or even used in current form) to have virtual packages that could install some basic tools as a whole working combination, like X11 server? More or less like it is done in Debian (my favourite Linux distribution) I recently wondered where my X11 start scripts went and found out that I've missing startup-scripts. It would be more convenient to have virtual package that installs "all" for that first time so you don't have to know what you're installing... It would be helpful. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Building plugin that is used from multiple executables
Maarten Boekhold wrote: Hi, Suppose I have a plugin library that contains calls that reside in the executable that dlopen()'s that plugin. You can link such a plugin by using a .def file that contains something like: IMPORTS symbol = executable.exe.symbol Now if I need to be able to use the *same* plugin from *two* executables, how do I resolve that??? Can I use a .def file that contains: IMPORTS symbol = executable_1.exe.symbol symbol = executable_2.exe.symbol My gut feeling says 'no', but hope against hope... Well, shortly... You can't do that. Since windows exports are binded to name of library (application) and symbol... Long way: You can do it, but you need to take alternative route. You need one extra DLL that has imports symbol from executable and ex-exports symbol you need forward to plugin: for plugin you need to do following: IMPORT symbol = helper.dll.symbol and for both apps you create own helper.dll: app1.exe create helper.dll: IMPORT symbol = app1.exe.symbol EXPORT symbol app2.exe create helper.dll: IMPORT symbol = app2.exe.symbol EXPORT symbol And finally... Or even better, DTRT in windoze world is to pass needed symbol pointers as arguments to plugin function, since windows libraries and applications doesn't allow unresolved symbols in linktime (so called backlinking issue)... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: (De)activating network connection
Brian Dessent wrote: Thiers Botelho wrote: I wish to use some command within a script to activate / deactivate an Ethernet connection. In WinXP this would normally be done thru Settings / Network Connections / Local Connection / right-click . I found _rasdial.exe_ but it seems to deal only with dial-up connections. There's got to be some simple cmdline on/off switch somewhere (hope that won't be regedit . . .) Starting with XP Microsoft realized that it sure would be nice to be able to set networking parameters (interfaces, addresses, routing, etc) from the command line or scripts. [Gee, what an idea, huh? Took them long enough to think of that.] Try the following or something like it: netsh int set interface "Local Area Connection" admin=ENABLED Replace ENABLED with DISABLED as appropriate. I'm not entirely sure of the syntax but you can just run netsh and play around with ? and help to get it down. At least I have this netsh.exe available in my win2k system.. Never heard about it before this but seems very nice tool indeed. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Request for a version/ revision/ release number for the whole Cygwin release/ distribution
Mike Kenny - BCX - Infrastructure Services wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Christensen Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 4:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Request for a version/ revision/ release number for the whole Cygwin release/ distribution I don't think there are enough potential volunteer man-hours to make such a thing feasible. I disagree. Assume for a moment that all Cygwin project member development efforts can be put into the following bins: Well, there might be plenty of potential volunteer hours, but since it's voluteer, people can prioritize their efforts as they wish... 1. Code development. 2. Design documentation. 3. Test suite development. 4. Test suite documentation. 5. Test suite execution and reporting. 6. User documentation. 7. Packaging for distribution. 8. Infrastructure development. 9. Infrastructure administration. 10. Version control/ configuration management of all of the above. 11. Personnel leadership and project management. It would seem that bin #1 is consuming the majority of the effort. I think that by changing priorities and re-allocating people and resources, it should be possible to create integration tests and a "stable" distribution. Such would increase Cygwin's acceptance and usage for potentially hundreds of millions of people. Is this not a good thing? Well potential... and potential. Who would use Cygwin and what for? Cygwin doesn't really offer anything that Joe Average needs or even bothers to learn since it's "difficult". For advanced users, system operators and such Cygwin gives lot more. But it definitely reduces potentials down. For a corporations there is magic word called "tech support". It seems to me that as it is a volunteer community, the people in question would need to volunteer to be re-allocated. This does not seem to be happening. :-) It seems that it isn't happening and I think it takes a whole lot more time and personel to volunteer their time to all those "bins". And since many of packages are open source, builts are targeted on *nix systems, primary maintenance happens outside cygwin eg. level of documentation, testing, testcases and such varies greatly. Then there is cygwin specific maintainers that just make sure that package compiles and works okay (as specified by original author(s)) and builds distribution package. And then there is people who work for core of cygwin, cygwin1.dll... Always have to think of target audience. If you're looking something "simple" you can take a look for "TheOpenCD" project, OSI licensed software for average users. Or less professional looking "GnuWin2" project, also OSI licensed software for advanced propellerheads. Both offer many OSS software as native builds, with nice standard gui installers and such. But how about Cygwin? Cygwin installation provides only basically list of packages and you really have to know what you're doing before you get something useful out. Maybe it would be just enough to produce better installation program, maybe even possiblity to categorize tools like you could just say "C and C++ development tools" and you get all needed stuff to build programs, maybe even in neat single download package. After that you could name installation package as "Cygwin Environment version 99.99" and refer people to download and use that specified package. Hmm... NSIS could even work this out pretty well... I might even try that one if there is enough interest for that. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Request for a version/ revision/ release number for the whole Cygwin release/ distribution
David Christensen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Per the Cygwin FAQ (http://cygwin.com/faq.html): "If you are looking for the version number for the whole Cygwin release, there is none. Each package in the Cygwin release has its own version. The packages in Cygwin are continually improving, thanks to the efforts of net volunteers who maintain the Cygwin binary ports. Each package has its own version numbers and its own release process. " I would like to request that this policy be reversed -- that there be a version number for the entire Cygwin release. Every O/S and application I've used had a release number for the whole thing; Cygwin should as well. I would especially like to request that there be a "stable" distribution. Why? Because: [snipped out reasons] You're confusing (like it happens with Linux distros also) two things. There is kernel, in this case Cygwin.dll, and then there is applications, like bash, cat, ls etc. Of course there exists distributions that have some common number, like Fedora Core 2 or Debian 3.0r2, but those just mean that if you take them out of box they probably work together. But that's not always the case. And rarely is. I hereby request that everybody who reads this message reply and express their opinion so that the Cygwin release maintainers will know what the community wants. David p.s. I hereby volunteer my time to work on implementing my request. However, be warned that I have very high standards and, especially as a volunteer, I will not tolerate my time being wasted. Well, you mean that you can give time but not waste it..? Isn't that an idea of volunteering - waste extra time you have. What latter came up is that if you see eg. Debian that is consired to be "stable" among distributions it's also damn old. Quote from "The current “stable” distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r2, codenamed woody. It was released on November 21st, 2003." and base system is as old as "Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (a.k.a. woody) was released on 19th of July, 2002". So you see that being stable also means being old, because you have to test, fix, test and fix again. Well, what about defining that stable means availability for 99% of time? It really means that cygwin would fail for 3.65 days, every year... And that's a lot for "mission critical" system. Even 99,5% would mean about 1.8 days offline time... Well that's the about standards. Now have you even planned how to accept initially packages for testing, fixing, and finally accept packages for stable release? Defining process what you have tought could help a lot. But it would be great to have, at least one mentioned some other post, unattented install. It would be great to say that "install these packages", maybe only select a proper mirror but otherwise it would do the trick and install one predefined Cygwin setup. One side note: If you develop software for customers (or public audience), where are the sources for published software..? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin compiled on Linux for Wiindows
3APA3A wrote: Dear Jani tiainen, --Sunday, September 19, 2004, 9:33:42 AM, you wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jt> If you compile it under Cygwin _and_ link your app against _any_ GPL Jt> library (including cygwin1.dll in Windoze) your application license must Jt> be GPL. You still hold copyright for your original work (and your later Jt> modifications) and thus can do anything with that piece of code eg. Jt> there is some examples (like MySQL) that uses dual licensing, one which Jt> is GPL and one commercial. Most libraries (Cygwin is exception) come with LGPL, not GPL license. LGPL allows you to create commercial application linked against this library as long as you provide a way to replace LGPLed library (for example application links to library dynamically). Well actually when you compile library with cygwin1.dll, it will be changed to GPL. There is even clause in LGPL that makes it possible. Amazing, isn't it..? In some cases it's still possible to use some GPLed libraries in commerce application, if application is not "derived work" in terms of GPL (for example you can use GPLed plugins as long as you distribute plugin apart from you application and you distribute plugin in open source under GPL). Well, actually you can distribute plugin too, but you need to distribute sources etc. Usually it's much simpler to point out place where to get that particular plugin. Or like it's with cygwin, easier to point out to download & install cygwin than distribute whole mess by yourself. Additionally, there is a lot of difference "freeware" licenses and "public domain" code, not covered by any license. They still are, their license are pretty "free". You can use software as you may. Still it's a license even very short one. As for Cygwin: yes, according to GPL all derived work must be GPLed. Copyright question is not so simple as you may think, but it primary depends on the contracts between you and your employer. Common practice is that company you work for owns copyright for code made at work hours. Everything else is your own. Of course this is contract guestion, but I have never heard that copyright stays with coder while working for employer - Who would risk situation that when coder leaves he/she takes code with him/her? But I've heard that sometimes employer has (at least offered) contract that _all_ code written by individual in question is property of employer. But I don't know for other countries, but at least here in Finland such a agreement is void and it is called 'act of fairness'. More or less problematic is code made in institutions, universities and school, but I'll leave that one out. And most of these legal matters are still officially untested in court of law. Many times these are pretty delicate matters and are settled outside court. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin compiled on Linux for Wiindows
Bobby McNulty wrote: Jani tiainen wrote: Bobby McNulty Junior wrote: I'm build Cygwin on Linux. This will be transfered to Windows. In other other words, guys, I'm back to pragramming for Cygwin. Do I have to turn in a copyright assignment? i don't work for a company. I'm freelance. This is my hobby. Bobby Where these started to came from..? Don't confuse copyright and license. They are two different subjects and partly different laws applies to them, copyright is covered by copyright laws, license is basically contract between you and other people and is covered by contract (or similiar) laws. If you compile it under Cygwin _and_ link your app against _any_ GPL library (including cygwin1.dll in Windoze) your application license must be GPL. You still hold copyright for your original work (and your later modifications) and thus can do anything with that piece of code eg. there is some examples (like MySQL) that uses dual licensing, one which is GPL and one commercial. OK. So I don't need a copyright assignment. What if I wanted to make changes to the Cygwin dll and wanted to turn those over to the Cygwin team to be incl.uded in the dll for others to use? Well, you don't need, but copyright assignment is automatical in most cases, so you do have copyright for your own work, wanted or not (see later text).. =) Well, since cygwin is GPL licensed you can change how ever you fit in your purpose as long as you publish sources. But for Cygwin community it's better to use "official" channels to maintain changes etc. There is FAQ and docs about that in Cygwin site. I really would like to have my users (or anyone who wanted to uses these programs) to be able to use them. If I could, I would rather just distribuute the current DLL and the source code to the DLL and the program I was working on at the time. Well you can distribute cygwin1.dll and sources for it or point out users to install Cygwin. I know what GPL is. I understand that Cygwin requires a copyright assignmnent. But. I'm freelance. I don't have an employer, so as far as that goes. I can't contribute because i don't have a job. Now you got it wrong. Copyright is something that you "can't buy", copyright is property for something you create and you own copyright to your work, exclusively without any special assignment. If you're working for a company in most cases programs that you create at your work time are copyrighted by that company, nyt by you as individual. But on the other times, copyright is owned by you. GPL in turn is a license, a contract, an agreement that how you can use that particular piece of work. One of essential parts of GPL is to permit others to modify and pass those modifications further, but they have to publish their modifications. On the other, I am profiecient in C, BASIC and Pascal. So I can make the mods needed to the dll. I can follow the bug report givin by the faulty program, and I can repair it. I'm not stupid, you see, I've been programming since 1983. C since 1987, Pascal since 1988. Out of all those, my favorite language is C. I have an internet buddy who was using Turbo C in 1996. I had been leaning Mix Power C. I got real good at it. Graphics was a speciality. But I could to other things. I wrote a program one day that would only pretend to delete files off of a hard drive. Pretend is the key. It never overwrote anything. And to stop it, simple. I had it set up so a simple CTRL C would stop it. All it did was read a file to simulate erasing a file. My friend added that. I was just using the program as a joke, and I had a severe mood swing. Big deal. That program is lost, along with others I had worked on. My goal about the Cygwin Dll is to make it compatible with new versions of Windows as they come out. That is all. I'm using Windows XP and Linux. Under Windows XP, I have Cygwin. In an 8 GB section of my hard drive I have Linux. So, I can use all three at any time. If there is a problem, I can get right at it. I'm quick at solving problems. Over on Linux, I'm building autoconf 2.59, automake 1.9.1, binutils 2.15, and gcc 3.4.2. When I get back to Linux in a bit, I'm finishing what i started. My dad had an emergency. He could not get out on the internet. I found the problem. For some reasone, Internet Explorer was set to a webpage on his drive that called for a DNS error. Claimed it could not get out. I looked at that. He told me that the Antivirus program could get update. I used Internet Options and reset to home page to MSN. Now, he can get out. See? I've been solving my family's program since they each recieved computers. My mom in 1997, my dad since 2000. My youngest brother offically went online in 2000, while my middle brother had been online since 1987. He was a Compuserve user. I don't have a webpage any mor
Re: cygwin compiled on Linux for Wiindows
Bobby McNulty Junior wrote: I'm build Cygwin on Linux. This will be transfered to Windows. In other other words, guys, I'm back to pragramming for Cygwin. Do I have to turn in a copyright assignment? i don't work for a company. I'm freelance. This is my hobby. Bobby Where these started to came from..? Don't confuse copyright and license. They are two different subjects and partly different laws applies to them, copyright is covered by copyright laws, license is basically contract between you and other people and is covered by contract (or similiar) laws. If you compile it under Cygwin _and_ link your app against _any_ GPL library (including cygwin1.dll in Windoze) your application license must be GPL. You still hold copyright for your original work (and your later modifications) and thus can do anything with that piece of code eg. there is some examples (like MySQL) that uses dual licensing, one which is GPL and one commercial. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
configure-script failure
Why sometimes running ./configure doesn't work? Usually it reports that some feature is missing, but running second time with same parameters doesn't produce error.. like: configure --prefix=/target --disable-static in first run I usually get "no such feature 'static'" (or similiar). On second run with exactly same parameters it works. Any explanations for a such behavior? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: convert .lib to .a
Yu-Cheng Chou wrote: Hi, Larry: I have two c-callable static libs which are created by vc, but the source codes are not available. I need these libs to create a shared library using gcc under cygwin. Command line: gcc -shared -o libmpi.dl mpi_chdl.o ../../src/lib/libmpi.a ../../src/lib/liblam.a ../../src/lib/chsd k.lib ../../src/lib/ch.lib Error message: Warning: .drectve '/DEFAULTLIB:"MSVCRT" /DEFAULTLIB:"OLDNAMES" /EXPORT:___b uiltin_Ch_VaArg ' unrecognized Cannot export .idata$4: symbol not found Cannot export .idata$5: symbol not found Cannot export .idata$6: symbol not found Cannot export .text: symbol not found Cannot export ⌂ch_NULL_THUNK_DATA: symbol not found collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [libmpi.dl] Error 1 Have any idea to fix this problem? AFAIK, you can't do that in that way. First, you have to build shared library (DLL in terms of Windoze), with VC. Then you can export API calls to .def and create .a from there on. Well of course you can generate .def from VC compilation and then generate .a lib. But this applies only to shared libs. To my knowledge it's not possible to do this with static libs. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Gnome for cygwin
Colin JN Breame wrote: Is there a Gnome port (2.6) to cygwin? AFAIK no there isn't. Gnome 2.4 is partly ported to cygwim but there still exists problems. You can follow status of project at <http://cygnome2.sourceforge.net> -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: gnome-config NOT FOUND!!
Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Maya wrote: Thank you Larry for your help! I downloaded the package needed to get gobject-2.0, but now after typing 'pkg-config gtk+-2.0', I get a message saying that 'gnome-config' was not found. What do I have to do now? Thanks in advance I have no idea what this error should tell us. I have no gnome-config but I have nearly a complete gnome-desktop installed. I see this message sometimes when running configure for another gnome package, but it is just a harmless warning, gnome1 isn't needed to run gnome2 and gnome2 applications. As said in my other posting, "gnome-config" is used as fallback in pkgconfig (for historical reasons) when package is not found. Usually it happens when you don't have some optional library/package that is checked from pkgconfig. I'm not sure is this removed from later pkgconfigs, or is it ever planned to be removed but it's usually safe to ignore it. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: gnome-config NOT FOUND!!
Maya wrote: Thank you Larry for your help! I downloaded the package needed to get gobject-2.0, but now after typing 'pkg-config gtk+-2.0', I get a message saying that 'gnome-config' was not found. What do I have to do now? gnome-config not found is "historic" warning. It's used as fallback in pkgconfig when pkgconfig can't find package you're trying to locate. First see that you have gtk+-2.0.pc file in /usr/lib/pkgconfig or usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig directory. If not, look do yoy have gtk*.dll.a files in /usr/lib or /usr/X11R6/lib if not you're still missing something. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: GTK/pango etc.
Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo Jani, Am Sonntag, 8. August 2004 um 00:29 schriebst du: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo Jani, Well, I really meant compiled under cygwin, but without X11... It should be possible to build it, unfortunately it compiles not as is. To try yoursewlf, you have to define --with-gdk-target=win32 instead of --with-gdk-target=x11. Actually the option is --with-gdktarget=win32 [...] I'll give it another try later, maybe we can resolve the issues together? It seems they have fixed the bug in the latest release, there are some other issues (typo in configure.in, missing -L switch and some other bugs), but it compiles ok now, I'll see if I can get a package out of this. Err... atleast it compiled okay with mine setup (I used 2.5.1) but I couldn't get pango 1.5.2 to compile, there were some errors in win32 backend. It was broken in the version that was first released for Cygwin compiled from gtk+-2.4.3, 2.4.4 is ok. Pango 1.4.x released for Cywgin includes both backends, it builds ok. I have a package completed now. It will need some discussion how to distribute since it contains several files which are already in the gtk2-x11 package include, so one can install both packages using setup.exe, but the second installation will overwrite the most of the first installation. I'm not sure if this is a good thing. I can send you the patchfile with my buildscript if you're in a hurry. That would be nice. Just throw it in this e-mail address, (if it's under 25 MB...) -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: GTK/pango etc.
Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo Jani, Well, I really meant compiled under cygwin, but without X11... It should be possible to build it, unfortunately it compiles not as is. To try yoursewlf, you have to define --with-gdk-target=win32 instead of --with-gdk-target=x11. Actually the option is --with-gdktarget=win32 [...] I'll give it another try later, maybe we can resolve the issues together? It seems they have fixed the bug in the latest release, there are some other issues (typo in configure.in, missing -L switch and some other bugs), but it compiles ok now, I'll see if I can get a package out of this. Err... atleast it compiled okay with mine setup (I used 2.5.1) but I couldn't get pango 1.5.2 to compile, there were some errors in win32 backend. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: GTK/pango etc.
Ken Dibble wrote: One starting point is http://gladewin32.sourceforge.net/ They say that they have GTK+ 2.44 runtime for windows both with and separate from libglade. regards, ken Jani tiainen wrote: Is there version that is not compiled against X11 libraries (so it uses native Windows) available or do I have to compile GTK and such from source? Is there pointers where I find info about compiling non-X11 versions of GTK? Well, I really meant compiled under cygwin, but without X11... One you pointed is excellent standalole GTK+ 2.4.4 and Glade setup. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
GTK/pango etc.
Is there version that is not compiled against X11 libraries (so it uses native Windows) available or do I have to compile GTK and such from source? Is there pointers where I find info about compiling non-X11 versions of GTK? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Configure and missing install-sh
Jani tiainen wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 08:58:34PM +0300, Jani tiainen wrote: I tried googling around but couldn't really find reason (and solution) why configure script ends in error stating: $ ./configure configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. Something to check/set to get that working? The message is pretty self explanatory, isn't it? You're apparently missing an install-sh file which configure requires. Err... Makes me wonder where it comes from, because it isn't in source tree I downloaded... Have I missed something? Answering to myself and for further reference: automake --add-missing took care of job... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Configure and missing install-sh
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 08:58:34PM +0300, Jani tiainen wrote: I tried googling around but couldn't really find reason (and solution) why configure script ends in error stating: $ ./configure configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. Something to check/set to get that working? The message is pretty self explanatory, isn't it? You're apparently missing an install-sh file which configure requires. Err... Makes me wonder where it comes from, because it isn't in source tree I downloaded... Have I missed something? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Configure and missing install-sh
I tried googling around but couldn't really find reason (and solution) why configure script ends in error stating: $ ./configure configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. Something to check/set to get that working? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Install failure
Larry Hall wrote: At 12:56 PM 7/31/2004, you wrote: Robert McNulty Junior wrote: I get it too. X11 is not installed first. Try installing X11 first, then GTk2 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jani tiainen Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 10:11 AM To: Cygwin List Subject: Install failure I'm trying to install GTK2 from Cygwin net install, but I always endup having following error in /etc/postinstall/gtk2-x11.sh: gtk2-query-immodules-2.0.exe - Unable to Locate DLL The dyamix link library cygX11-6.dll could not be found in specified path... Great, top posting.. =) But anyway, I have dll in question installed, but still I get that error... Why? Is it in your path? In cygwin environment yes, in globally no. And GTK2-X11 is only package so far that doesn't work when using setup. If I run postinstall script from Cygwin BASH, all goes well. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Install failure
Robert McNulty Junior wrote: I get it too. X11 is not installed first. Try installing X11 first, then GTk2 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jani tiainen Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 10:11 AM To: Cygwin List Subject: Install failure I'm trying to install GTK2 from Cygwin net install, but I always endup having following error in /etc/postinstall/gtk2-x11.sh: gtk2-query-immodules-2.0.exe - Unable to Locate DLL The dyamix link library cygX11-6.dll could not be found in specified path... Great, top posting.. =) But anyway, I have dll in question installed, but still I get that error... Why? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Install failure
I'm trying to install GTK2 from Cygwin net install, but I always endup having following error in /etc/postinstall/gtk2-x11.sh: gtk2-query-immodules-2.0.exe - Unable to Locate DLL The dyamix link library cygX11-6.dll could not be found in specified path... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Selecting packages in setup
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 06:04:18PM +0300, Jani tiainen wrote: Recently I wanted to install Cygnome2 packages, and noticed that you can't install them simultaenously with rest of Cygwin - problem is that you can't really tell from packages which comes from which server - in my case there was GTK2 packages from Cygwin distribution that were installed instead wanted Cygnome2 packages - and nothing really worked. This is the Cygwin project. There is only one source for packages. If other projects are using setup.exe and providing their own packages, that's great but please don't ask us to try to support other people's efforts. Yes I know. Another issue is that why setup wants always to upgrade latest version? It's really pain to remember always to chante package to "skip", like I wanted to use automake 1.7, not 1.8 but everytime I run setup I have to remember do the change. At least I use two different mirrors for cygwin packages, but another is much faster than another but updates less frequently than slower one, it would be nice to see that I'm really using faster for most of packages, and only new ones are downloaded from slower source. It would be handy to see in selection from where package is going to be downloaded/installed it would ease up things a little bit. Maybe either you or the Cygnome2 project should provide patches to setup to implement your ideas. This really isn't an issue for us but we'll gladly consider changes to setup.exe. I'll see what I can do about it, but not this time since I know how to deal with it and it's not such a big issue. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Selecting packages in setup
Recently I wanted to install Cygnome2 packages, and noticed that you can't install them simultaenously with rest of Cygwin - problem is that you can't really tell from packages which comes from which server - in my case there was GTK2 packages from Cygwin distribution that were installed instead wanted Cygnome2 packages - and nothing really worked. It would be handy to see in selection from where package is going to be downloaded/installed it would ease up things a little bit. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: DLLs and LoadLibrary
Vadim Berezniker wrote: Jani tiainen wrote: Vadim Berezniker wrote: I followed the FAQ and the various mailing list messages and was able to build a dll that I can load with LoadLibrary. The code inside the DLL makes calls to code in other libraries and for the most part this is okay. When I make calls to one library, everything is OK. As soon as I uncomment one line which is simply a call to a function in another library, the resulting DLL cannot be loaded with LoadLibrary. There is various reasons why loading fails. If you get NULL from LoadLibrary call, use GetLastError to retrieve real reason for error. BTW, where are you calling those LoadLibrary calls? It's unsafe (and not really recommended) to call them in DllMain. LoadLibrary never returns. An exception occurs within LoadLibrary. However if I comment that one line, it loads the library just fine. I'm not calling LoadLibrary from a DLL. You load DLL with LoadLibrary in your app, if you any calls to functions in that library your app crashes in LoadLibrary call? Further example could do really good, these are wild guesses. And how this relates to Cygwin? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: DLLs and LoadLibrary
Vadim Berezniker wrote: I followed the FAQ and the various mailing list messages and was able to build a dll that I can load with LoadLibrary. The code inside the DLL makes calls to code in other libraries and for the most part this is okay. When I make calls to one library, everything is OK. As soon as I uncomment one line which is simply a call to a function in another library, the resulting DLL cannot be loaded with LoadLibrary. There is various reasons why loading fails. If you get NULL from LoadLibrary call, use GetLastError to retrieve real reason for error. BTW, where are you calling those LoadLibrary calls? It's unsafe (and not really recommended) to call them in DllMain. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Building DLL
Maarten Boekhold wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: You don't need .def files on Cygwin. Just add -no-undefined to libxyz_LDFLAGS. OK, I'm making progress with getting XFCE to compile under cygwin (with help of one of the XFCE developers), but now we're running into the following: XFCE has a plugin mechanism, based on shared libraries. These plugins use functions/symbols from the program that they 'plug in to'. I.e. if I have appA, and libB is a plugin for appA, then libB contains calls that are defined in appA. How do I get this to work under cygwin? Obviously I can't link libB against appA! Done this, been there. And it's all possible.. =) <http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2003-12/msg01071.html> You can use DLLTOOL to produce .def files from .exe if needed so you don't have to do them by hand. But in most cases you just need few funcs or variables it's simpler to write .def by hand. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: PERL and XML::Parser
Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jani tiainen wrote: | I'm trying to install XML::Parser to perl, but no success. For some | reason CPAN install fails with: | | | Anyone succeeded with this module? I have a binary package of XML::Parser 2.34 available at http://cygwin-ports.sourceforge.net/ if you need. Thank you for offer, but I found solution. For some strange reason some programs / compilations are affected by Visual Studio .NET's LIB and INCLUDE environment variables. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: PERL and XML::Parser
Jani tiainen wrote: I'm trying to install XML::Parser to perl, but no success. For some reason CPAN install fails with: Well, found the reason: It appears that Visual Studio .NET environment variable "LIB" produced invalid output in Makefile. I also run into same problem (another variable tough) while compiling openjade or openSP... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
PERL and XML::Parser
I'm trying to install XML::Parser to perl, but no success. For some reason CPAN install fails with: CPAN.pm: Going to build M/MS/MSERGEANT/XML-Parser-2.34.tar.gz Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good Writing Makefile for XML::Parser::Expat Writing Makefile for XML::Parser cp Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-cp932.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-cp932. enc cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-7.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-7.enc cp Parser/Style/Tree.pm blib/lib/XML/Parser/Style/Tree.pm cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-9.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-9.enc cp Parser/Encodings/x-euc-jp-unicode.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/x-euc-jp- unicode.enc cp Parser/Encodings/README blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/README cp Parser/Encodings/euc-kr.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/euc-kr.enc cp Parser/Encodings/windows-1250.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/windows-1250. enc cp Parser/Encodings/windows-1252.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/windows-1252. enc cp Parser/Encodings/big5.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/big5.enc cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-3.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-3.enc cp Parser/Encodings/Japanese_Encodings.msg blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/Japanes e_Encodings.msg cp Parser/Style/Subs.pm blib/lib/XML/Parser/Style/Subs.pm cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-4.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-4.enc cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-8.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-8.enc cp Parser/Encodings/x-euc-jp-jisx0221.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/x-euc-jp -jisx0221.enc cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-2.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-2.enc cp Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-jdk117.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-jdk11 7.enc cp Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-unicode.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-unic ode.enc cp Parser/LWPExternEnt.pl blib/lib/XML/Parser/LWPExternEnt.pl cp Parser/Style/Objects.pm blib/lib/XML/Parser/Style/Objects.pm cp Parser.pm blib/lib/XML/Parser.pm cp Parser/Style/Debug.pm blib/lib/XML/Parser/Style/Debug.pm cp Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-jisx0221.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/x-sjis-jis x0221.enc cp Parser/Style/Stream.pm blib/lib/XML/Parser/Style/Stream.pm cp Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-5.enc blib/lib/XML/Parser/Encodings/iso-8859-5.enc Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string make: *** [subdirs] Error 2 /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK Anyone succeeded with this module? -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs
Warren Young wrote: John Cooper wrote: The problem is that I often don't want to have to terminate the GUI app just to get my shell prompt back. Well now, that's an entirely different deal. Somehow, cmd.exe detects that a program is GUI-only, and it gives you your prompt back when the program has launched. I suspect it would be better to find out how cmd.exe manages that trick than to put Ctrl-Z support into Cygwin that will likely break some non-Cygwin programs. One way to do this would be for Cygwin's exec() to look at the PE header for the program and see if it has the console mode flag set. If not, it could do whatever the Cygwin 'run' program does to spin the program off, detached from the shell. That would be totally inconsistent how shells work. IMO, adding ampresand at end of command works as intended and is consistent how things work in *nixes -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs
Dave Korn wrote: -Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Peter A. Castro Sent: 17 June 2004 21:13 To: John Cooper Cc: cygwin Subject: RE: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs Anyway, can you point me to where you got this code example? [win32sdk] ID: Q90493 I have a suspicion that this (and similar) code samples should probably not be posted to this list; can everyone please snip their quotes of it. It looks a bit copyright to me. So I googled the q number. Found it in a couple of places. > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;90493 http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.3/tcsh-44/tcsh/win32/globals .c > Oh dear. Word-for-word copying of M$ proprietary source into an open source project? TCSH-L added. I dunno what the status is of SDK source code examples but it's certainly M$ copyright; someone should look at the licensing terms. Well, if this is Microsoft code, following applies to it: <http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2fsupport%2fmisc%2fcpyright.asp> And for Apple sources, there is also copyright notice that should follow if it is used (as usually people do). There's a different way of doing it, just frex. Opening a file and reading a few bytes out of a couple of structs is something that can be done in standard posix C without even breaking a sweat. Surely. And it's far more efficient than done in 'M$'-way. Of course if reason or another image format changes own hack needs to be updated, M$-solution still works. (Or doesn't...) -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: is ms internet explorer 5 a spambot?
MLJC wrote: You should, maybe, upgrade your Internet Explorer because the current version is Internet Explorer 6. Or you could use Netscape Navigator, or Mozilla. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Makhorin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 5:49 AM Subject: is ms internet explorer 5 a spambot? Hi, When I tried to access messages in the cygwin mailing list archive (using ms internet explorer 5), I got the following: Spambot detected. Hi, your web browser has triggered our spambot detection mechanism. <...> I understand the humor. However, cygwin is intended to run under ms windows, where ie 5 is the standard web browser, isn't it? Any suggestions? NOTE: top posting is great thing... =) Faulty detection of 'standard' browser as spambot is definitely 'bug' in web design. Because it's just a application generated string that is sent to HTTP server. Shows up bad design - nothing more, nothing less. But I strongly suggest using Mozilla Firefox with tab and mouse gesture extensions (or Mozilla Suite if you prefer) instead of IE - you get much more out of web browsing.. And more or less important point - it's open source. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs
Dave Korn wrote: -Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of John Cooper Sent: 15 June 2004 15:05 To: cygwin Subject: RE: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs The old native (non-cygwin) port of zsh would somehow detect if it was about to exec a Windows app, and run it as a background process, thus returning a zsh prompt immediately. Could something like this be added to cygwin bash/zsh? AFAICS the ability is already there. Just enter "windows_app.exe &" at a bash shell. This was very useful. With the cygwin zsh, I often find myself invoking a Windows app and not being able to get back to the shell window without first terminating the Windows app. Well, the same goes if you run a cygwin app: you don't get the prompt back until it exits. The point is that it's not about cygwin-vs-windoze apps. It's about apps-that-use-console-stdin-and-stdout vs. apps-that-display-a-gui; those that show a gui could usefully be detached, but those that read their input from stdin will break if the shell detaches them. I don't think there's a reliable enough mechanism by which a shell could detect one case from the other. Well, there isn't reliable method for detection. Own problem goes to apps that does both, uses stdin/out and GUI. But when starting application in windows you can give handles that program uses as stdin and stdout instead "standard" handles (what ever they are). That way I have written GUI frontend for application that did both, used stdio to communicate with user but showed a GUI also. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: License issue
Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jun 15 13:51, Avraham H. Fraenkel wrote: If I am writing a short C program, comply it with GCC, and put the exe and the cygwin dll in my site, should I add something? Yes, the sources of your application as well as the sources of the Cygwin DLL, according to the GPL. If you don't distribute the sources, you don't apply to the licensing. IANAL(Y)... =) Well you exactly don't have to but sources on (same) web site... For further information see: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCDistributeWithSourceOnInternet And few headers downwards. That should answer to most of questions. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 03:37:05PM +0300, Jani tiainen wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 09:58:16AM +0100, John Cooper wrote: Is it a known limitation that "native" Windows programs cannot be suspended? Yes. Window programs do not understand cygwin signals. Thats true for cygwin part. Native programs still can be suspended/resumed but not by cygwin (or shell that is running and waiting finishing of active process). It is true for any part that Windows programs do not understand cygwin signals. There is no way to reliably suspend a Windows programs. Yes there is ( piece of pseudo code): For Each Thread THREAD_Y in Process PROCESS_X Call_Win32API SuspendThread(THREAD_Y.Handle) Next NOTE: In Win2k and later you need THREAD_SUSPEND_RESUME rights for particular thread. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Ctrl-Z fails to suspend Windows programs
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 09:58:16AM +0100, John Cooper wrote: Is it a known limitation that "native" Windows programs cannot be suspended? Yes. Window programs do not understand cygwin signals. Thats true for cygwin part. Native programs still can be suspended/resumed but not by cygwin (or shell that is running and waiting finishing of active process). It could be done in such a way that it could be possible, but it would need propably need native windows stuff in shell(s) in question. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: installing cygwin on private lan
Jani tiainen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip] So is there a Linux version of setup.exe and if not, how do I populate the Linux filesystem from which the DOS box will install Cygwin? Cygwin needs still Windows environment, not DOS environment. And for Linux and Windows co-operation you could use NetBIOS (Samba on Linux side). For further information refer Linux documentation about Samba server, and accessing network shares for Windows machine. Of course there is possibly option to use WINE, don't know does it work tough... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: installing cygwin on private lan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip] So is there a Linux version of setup.exe and if not, how do I populate the Linux filesystem from which the DOS box will install Cygwin? Cygwin needs still Windows environment, not DOS environment. And for Linux and Windows co-operation you could use NetBIOS (Samba on Linux side). For further information refer Linux documentation about Samba server, and accessing network shares for Windows machine. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: nice not setting above/below normal
Brian Dessent wrote: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 05:42:38AM -0700, Brian Dessent wrote: reserved for real-time processes. The remaining range 1-15 are the regular (dynamic) priorities that most processes run with. In reality you don't set the priority directly this way, rather you choose a priority class (realtime, high, normal, idle; corresponding to 24, 13, 8, 4) and then a modifier (highest, above normal, normal, below normal, lowest; corresponding to +2, +1, 0, -1, -2). Is that correct? Shouldn't idle be 3 to allow the full 1-15 range? According to sysinternals' Process Explorer, idle is indeed 4. I haven't double checked with anything on MSDN but I don't see why it would not be displaying the correct thing, given that it shows the priority on the 0-31 scale for every process so it must be using the NTDLL level calls. Hmm, that's pretty complex way to do things: There is actually three levels: Background/Foreground process, base priority, and then special "thread priority" that has seven more modifiers. Complete text can be found at: <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dllproc/base/scheduling_priorities.asp> -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: nice not setting above/below normal
Mironov, Leonid {PBG} wrote:
If I am to believe windows task manager windows processes can have 6
priority levels - realtime, high, above normal, normal, below normal and
low, but cygwin nice can set only 2: when -n parameter is above 0 priority
is set to low, when -n is below 0 priority is set to high, actual value of
-n parameter is ignored. Am I missing something or ...?
Actually there is four real levels (realtime, high, normal, idle (low)).
For 2k and XP there is two more, below normal and above normal.
That behaviour might be due the fact that those two additional levels
doesn't exists in Win 95, 98, ME or NT4.
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Re: g++ libcygwin.a has an undefined reference
Please, avoid top postings, this is hard to reply...
Christian Rudiger wrote:
Hello Al,
thank you, it worked.
i putted one at the end of the program just writing :
}; // end of class
int main(){}
why does that work? I think thats strange.
Strange? Every program needs starting point. For standard C(++) program
it's called "main", usually in form "int main(int argc, char *argv[])".
There is of course exceptions. Windows programs use "WinMain" or DLL's
use "DllMain" instead of plain "main".
Your example really need to instantiate class tryit and call instance
method main before it really works.
Regards Christian Rudiger
Al Slater wrote:
Try putting a main function in the program!
Regards
Al
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Christian Rudiger
Sent: 18 May 2004 11:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: g++ libcygwin.a has an undefined reference
Hello there,
i think the following problem has to do with cygwin, cause
libcygwin.a has an undefined reference.
I get the error message when compiling my little testprogram. The
Programm and complete compiler messages follow:
*
// reading a text file
#include
#include
#include
#include
using namespace std;
class tryit {
char *FILE_POSTFIX;// = new "myfile.txt"; <- ausserhalb nicht möglich
string posti;
public:
int main (int argc, char** argv) {
FILE_POSTFIX = new char[10]; //"Nodes.txt"; <- erst allocieren
dann zuweisen !
FILE_POSTFIX = "NODES.txt";
char *filename = FILE_POSTFIX;
char *output;
ifstream in (filename) ;
while (in){
in >> output ;
cout << output << endl;
return 0;
}
}
};
*
g++ -v -Wall -Wno-deprecated tryme.cpp -o testthings.exe
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/specs
Configured with: /GCC/gcc-3.3.1-3/configure --with-gcc --with-gnu-ld
--with-gnu-as --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
--libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/sbin --mandir=/usr/share/man
--infodir=/usr/share/info
--enable-languages=c,ada,c++,f77,pascal,java,objc --enable-libgcj
--enable-threads=posix --with-system-zlib --enable-nls
--without-included-gettext --enable-interpreter
--enable-sjlj-exceptions --disable-version-specific-runtime-libs
--enable-shared --disable-win32-registry --enable-java-gc=boehm
--disable-hash-synchronization --verbose --target=i686-pc-cygwin
--host=i686-pc-cygwin --build=i686-pc-cygwin
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.3.1 (cygming special)
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/cc1plus.exe -quiet -v
-D__GNUC__=3 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=3 -D__GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__=1
-D__CYGWIN32__ -D__CYGWIN__ -Dunix -D__unix__ -D__unix -idirafter
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/../../../../include/w32api
-idirafter
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/../../../../i686-pc-cygw
in/lib/../../include/w32api
tryme.cpp -D__GNUG__=3 -quiet -dumpbase tryme.cpp -auxbase tryme
-Wall -Wno-deprecated -version -o /cygdrive/d/TMP/cc55YaOO.s
GNU C++ version 3.3.1 (cygming special) (i686-pc-cygwin)
compiled by GNU C version 3.3.1 (cygming special).
GGC heuristics: --param ggc-min-expand=47 --param
ggc-min-heapsize=32700 ignoring nonexistent directory
"/usr/local/include" ignoring nonexistent directory
"/usr/i686-pc-cygwin/include" ignoring duplicate directory
"/usr/i686-pc-cygwin/lib/../../include/w32api"
#include "..." search starts here:
#include <...> search starts here:
/usr/include/c++/3.3.1
/usr/include/c++/3.3.1/i686-pc-cygwin
/usr/include/c++/3.3.1/backward
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/include
/usr/include
/usr/include/w32api
End of search list.
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/../../../../i686-pc-cygw
in/bin/as.exe
--traditional-format -o /cygdrive/d/TMP/ccbPwKZW.o
/cygdrive/d/TMP/cc55YaOO.s
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/collect2.exe -Bdynamic
--dll-search-prefix=cyg -o testthings.exe
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/../../../crt0.o
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/crtbegin.o
-L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1
-L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/../../..
/cygdrive/d/TMP/ccbPwKZW.o -lstdc++ -lgcc -lcygwin -luser32
-lkernel32 -ladvapi32 -lshell32 -lgcc
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/crtend.o
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.1/../../../libcygwin.a(lib
cmain.o)(.text+0x7c): undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [testthings.exe] Error 1
Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Tue May 18 11:05:17
Regards Christian Rudiger
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Re: [OT] Email address. Re: i want to re-download all packages... how?
Jani tiainen wrote: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: So do it once that way to get the installed packages and then run it again to get the uninstalled packages. On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 05:43:21PM +0200, electa wrote: it selects only my installed packs, but not the other. i want all for my cygwin-CD! "Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto nel messaggio Please feed the spammers my email address; it can only be a drop in the bucket over the 10-30 Mb/day I get now. :) Everyone who writes on a mailinglist that will be archived on net in very searchable way shouldn't expose real e-mail address. This is like leaving your door unlocked while leaving your house/apartment. Err, and do you really think that spam-mail-address gatherers are so stupid that they can't extract mail from format..? That's trivial regexp, and so what if there is few bogus adresses..? They mail to millons of addresses so few boguses that program extracting addresses might create doesn't matter anyway. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
[OT] Email address. Re: i want to re-download all packages... how?
Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: So do it once that way to get the installed packages and then run it again to get the uninstalled packages. On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 05:43:21PM +0200, electa wrote: it selects only my installed packs, but not the other. i want all for my cygwin-CD! "Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto nel messaggio Please feed the spammers my email address; it can only be a drop in the bucket over the 10-30 Mb/day I get now. :) Everyone who writes on a mailinglist that will be archived on net in very searchable way shouldn't expose real e-mail address. This is like leaving your door unlocked while leaving your house/apartment. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: .logout files?
Larry Hall wrote: At 02:43 PM 4/17/2004, you wrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:03:00AM -0700, Karl M wrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Apr 16 21:35, Christopher Spears wrote: Hi! I can't seem to find a .logout file. I found The reason might be that there is none. Sometimes the simple answers are just so paradoxically elusive. And it can be so satisfying to knoy you have completely answered a question without actually conveying any information. Bingo. It's one of the many perks in being a cygwin developer. That's just plain mean! I think all cygwin developers should be banished!! ...Wait a minute, that won't work... ;-) Err... Maybe short time electricshock treatment would help a little.. =) Well, what's this dot-logout file is used for anyway..? -- Jani -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Will using cygwin help with back-linking?
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:33:19AM +0300, Jani tiainen wrote: And bad news is: libtool can't handle this (at least not to my knowledge). Because this is strictly windoze specific, this is also a offtopic of this mailinglist.. I wouldn't call it off-topic if it is using the binutils and gcc provided by cygwin. Well it depends. Since cygwin basically offers Linux API functionality, using shared libraries is a bit off a scope. Of course cygwin could provide "full" emulation layer, but it would make cygwin much slower than currently is. IMO current 3-tier system is very adequate. In some ocassions this back linking problem arises, and it can be solved. Well libtool directly doesn't provide way to do it but it can be done without it. If "everything" that uses some cygwin tools is cygwin specific problem this list would flood over. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: i am newbie anybody help me installation
kiran kumar wrote: hello guys, i want g++ compiler exactly as it works in linux. what are the packages i have to install? so it will work well in windows too. Err... What you mean by "as it works in linux". Because Linux itself doesn't really contain g++ compiler, you have to be more spesific about needed libraries. "Standard" librares comes out-of-box, but different spesific libraries have to be installed by hand. Or if you want to be "sure" just install everything. But even that doesn't guarantee that compilation works (eg. cygwin port of kde and gnome libraries are under work) and of course programs have to be written in portable way (backlinking problem is excellent example things that works in linux but not in cygwin). Otherwise g++ compiler in cygwin, and Linux works "same way" because both are compiled from same codebase. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Will using cygwin help with back-linking?
Jay West wrote: Larry wrote... Did you see this? <http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2000-10/msg00451.html> No I didn't, but thanks! Actually, no, it doesn't answer my question. It does ask the precursor to my question, which is how to create a dlopenable module. I'm well aware of how to do that on unix, using exactly the commands he listed (main executable with --export-dynamic, module with -fpic and ld -shareable -dynamic). He is generally asking how to do that with cygwin, but there's no discussion of exactly what with, and if, backlinking is supported on a cygwin-ized windows machine. I will gladly do the legwork of figuring out the specifics of how to do it on cygwin, but I was hoping someone could at least point me down the right path. Let me be more specific, I see two alternatives: You don't have to, I did it already.. =) So I guess in the final analysis there are two specific questions: Does cygwin-based windows take care of backlinking, and if so with what tool/method, and is it's method compatable with libtool in a transparent way on Unix vs. Cygwin/Windows? Shortly no. Longer answer is yes it does. I rember writing a few articles about this... Basicaly thing goes so that you compile (but not link) needed files, generate needed .lib:s and then link whole thing. Note that you can export symbols from .exe in same way. Here is few pointers: <http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/libtool/2002-10/msg00145.html> <http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2003-12/msg01071.html> And bad news is: libtool can't handle this (at least not to my knowledge). Because this is strictly windoze specific, this is also a offtopic of this mailinglist.. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin under Wine?
Larry Hall wrote: At 07:33 PM 3/25/2004, Tom Roche wrote: While sounding out Cygwin users in my organization, I got the comment: If Cygwin would run under Wine, I'd be a very happy person, we wouldn't need real Windows machines for builds, and we could consign all our Windows build machines, their ITSC compliance, and the continual stream of updates and security fixes to the deepest pits of hell. Um, why an earth someone might run cygwin under wine? What's the catch? If I understood correctly cygwin is meant to provide *nix things for windows environment. (Including compilation tools, besides all others) So why an earth windows targeted software run under cygwin? If software is meant to be crossplatform that's an another story... So are you saying that it's not a requirement that your build environment running under Wine be able to run smoke/unit/function tests but it would be for a cross-compiler environment would? Yikes! OK, maybe I misunderstood what you're saying with the above but if that's the case, it seems to me that the bigger concern should be "will the software built under Wine run under Wine"? Unless you know that's the case, you're putting the cart before the horse. And, as I type this, I have the strangest feeling of deja-vu, like this is exactly the same comment that was made the last time this subject came up. ;-) Well, it's pretty easy to write software that can be built under wine, but doesn't run well or at all under wine. Another thing is issues that might arise under real windows environment that doesn't exists under wine (like windows file locking, permissions and such.) -- Jani Tiainen "Bureaucrats! Official complaint is like trying to get drunk with root beer." - Wagner in Viivi & Wagner comics. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
[OT] FAT32 vs NTFS
Corinna Vinschen wrote: Try to figure out what happens on your system. However, if you're running 2K or XP, I don't see a reason to keep FAT32. You can convert it to NTFS using the "convert" tool which is shipped with all NT versions. For some reason my laptop (HP Omnibook) came with preinstalled W2k, and there is really FAT32 enabled, not NTFS... Only reason to use FAT32 is to preserve few bytes of memory or let disk data be accessible from some other system than NT/W2k/XP. But for performance reasons it would really be reasonable to use ntfs... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: XEmacs and hot laptops
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I run cygwin XEmacs on my laptop after some time I have to close it as my laptop becomes very hot (and the fan goes non-stop and lot noisier than usual). So I work on porting some latex related stuff that works only on cygwin to native XEmacs. I wouldn't do that but I am afraid not to fry my laptop. Does anybody have this problem too? Well, first at all, this is somehow offtopic. Yes. Well, I've similiar symptoms. I've noticed that cygwin uses more CPU resources than "native" programs. This is probably due the three-tier architechture used in cygwin environment. Most of laptops I've seen have fixed speed fans, that are turned on when heat exceeds some predefined limit, and for some reasons on some laptops fan just runs "for sure" once a while. Mine laptop is set as high as 70 celcius CPU temp, so well, it get's hot, specially from under (Yes, you can burn your balls if your not careful =) Force lower clockspeed. Can be done on Intel speedstep, or AMD's equivalent thingy. Of course, things takes twice as longer, but hey, no more heat. Laptops are designed to run on higher heats, so no concern of frying. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin Mailing list
Chris Jefferson wrote: Gareth Pearce wrote: As obviously you're a mailing list professional, I'm sure you checked the mailing list archives before posting on this topic. Hence there is no need for me to reply. Still, you replied..? =) As implied by my above statement, the topic has already been discussed. Therefore given the subject line of this email, you don't even need to check the mailing list archives to work out the previous answer! I apologise for replying to this, but I feel I must. Well, no apologies because you just pointed out biggest flaw in this kind of a lists. This is not unique feature, it happens everywhere where lifespan of list grows, people come and go, but that small, set of people - the core, stays same from year to year. People just get overwhelmed with "stupid" questions. As a "casual" reader of the cygwin mailing list, I feel there has been an increasing number of mails sent to the list like this one, where various members seem to be competing to see who can come up with the most patronising and sarcastic replies to newbies. Such messages I feel serve no purpose, and I find it ironic that these people are generating more "pointless" on-list messages than the newbies who they are correcting. Myself being just "casual" reader also, from time to time I read this NG. Not all the time, most of the time I just skip all messages. Now if you just think of "quality" of posts where just is said "This has been discussed, search archives". Well if bother to reply at all, why not bring some content, e.g. title of thread that discussion were. Oh wait... but that would take few more words to type, and of course, it would be too informative, note that still this is _cygwin_ list, an cygwin is not for newbies. (*evil grin*). While I do not claim any kind of authority, could I suggest perhaps a) being a little nicer to newbies (it isn't that hard really) and b) if you feel the need for a post without any useful content (perhaps just saying "search the archives") to send it just to the author of the mail in question? Well, it's not anything about authority, just basic manners when dealing... Hmm, you could say "customer support" here... -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 now Free
Alexander Shopov wrote: Gratis maybe (for the 3.5 beta) but definately NOT free. al_shopov Now, this is completely off topic... But, english word "free" greatly depends on context. GPL (and derivatives) uses free in context of freedom to use and modify original piece of work, still _you can_ charge for distribution. And for point of end user GPL isn't really even freedom to use. It has _restriction_. Derivate work (eg. if you link against GPL library) you have to make your work GPL also. That's not really free(dom). (Well, that's why other, less restrictive licences has emerged). Most fanciest solution I've seen is mySQL, well, it's GPL, its free for non-commercial use, but for commercial mySQL only apps (which are considered linked apps), must buy _commercial mySQL licence_. Now is that freedom? This is like here in Finland alcohol importing from other EU countries became "unlimited". Now still customs have power to confisticate alcohol if it suspects that alcohol is not for personal use... And now they're testing it in court of law. (Some guy tried to import approx 250 litres of spirits, 1k litres of beer, some wine and other liquors.). Well that's real "freedom". Now SFU is free (to use), but for other aspects, I don't know, and really I don't care. Only thing I've been really missing is working NFS client for Windoze, then I'm happy. Cygwin does all the other dirty job. -- Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Problem with DLLs and processes
Przemyslaw Sliwa wrote: Woww, It seems it is much more complicated than just the simple STATIC option in GCC under Linux. But there must be a way to link the executable with the dlls. Like in Linux. There really isn't way. There is some ways to get around it, like bundling that DLL inside application, and load it from there. Doesn't Linux need also static libs if you're are compiling statically linked? Or is Linux able to link dynamic libraries as static..? (Don't remember been so long time I fuzzed around with Linux compilation). Other funny caveats are unbounded, or external symbols inside dynamic library. In linux they're solved at run time, in DLL you really have to solve them at link time... =) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: undefined symbols in dlls?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Aren't dlls alowed to have undefined symbols?
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foo.c:
int bar();
int foo() {
return bar();
}
--
When I try to compile foo.c like this...
gcc -shared -o foo.dll foo.c
I get an error message complaning that '_bar' is undefined.
Funny, this pops up again and again.. =)
Maybe this should be in FAQ (if it isn't already there).
Well answer is no. DLL's aren't allowed to have unbounded undefined
symbols. There is few ways to get this over, see message thread "DLL and
external symbols" started by me and "DLL vs. shared object linking
behavior" started by Karl Robillard.
- Jani Tiainen
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Re: DLL vs. shared object linking behavior
Karl Robillard wrote: I have a shared library which has undefined references to functions. On Linux I can build and use the library without problems, but when I build it as a DLL using Cygwin the undefined references are link errors. Can the Windows loader handle unresolved symbols in DLLs at runtime? Is there some magic compiler option I can use to allow this? Well I've been struggling with same things. Problem is that windows doesn't allow direct undefined references in DLL's. So you have to do some magic. Look reply chain titled "DLL and external symbols", there is some information that got me through. Jani Tiainen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: DLL and external symbols
Jani Tiainen wrote: Larry Hall wrote: At 04:35 PM 12/30/2003, Jani Tiainen you wrote: Hi, I'm sure that this has been answered several times, but I'll ask again because couldn't find any solution by myself. I would like to build DLL (or any other sort of library) that refers to external symbols in main application. Now how I can get this working, or is it possible at all? It's possible but you have to move "funcInMain()" into the DLL with "funcInMyLib()" or into another DLL. That's the straight-forward answer. Yes, that one I knew already. Problem isn't actually function, in my real case it's more like having some globals that libraries should be able to read. There exists one, non-libtool solution to similiar problem: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/libtool/2002-10/msg00145.html Now, how to libtoolize this solution? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: DLL and external symbols
Larry Hall wrote:
At 04:35 PM 12/30/2003, Jani Tiainen you wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure that this has been answered several times, but I'll ask again because couldn't find any solution by myself.
I would like to build DLL (or any other sort of library) that refers to external symbols in main application.
So far I have been able to build non-working constructs. =)
[snipsnip]
Now how I can get this working, or is it possible at all?
It's possible but you have to move "funcInMain()" into the DLL with
"funcInMyLib()" or into another DLL. That's the straight-forward
answer.
Yes, that one I knew already. Problem isn't actually function, in my
real case it's more like having some globals that libraries should be
able to read.
So let's extend this main.c a little bit:
#include
/* Global that is set here and printed from DLL */
int anotherValue = 0;
/* Function in DLL */
extern void funcInMyLib(int);
void funcInMain(int i)
{
printf("funcInMain(%ld) (anotherValue=%d)\n", i, anotherValue);
}
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
antoherValue = 123;
funcInMyLib(1);
return 0;
}
Now, that's what I really want to do, or at least something equivalent,
more portable solution. (I'm really trying to port bigger application
that has plugin modules built like this.)
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DLL and external symbols
Hi,
I'm sure that this has been answered several times, but I'll ask again
because couldn't find any solution by myself.
I would like to build DLL (or any other sort of library) that refers to
external symbols in main application.
So far I have been able to build non-working constructs. =)
Let's say that I've two files:
main.c:
#include
extern void funcInMyLib(int);
void funcInMain(int i)
{
printf("funcInMain(%ld)\n", i);
}
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
funcInMyLib(1);
return 0;
}
and second file (library)
mylib.c:
extern void funcInMain(int);
void funcInMyLib(int i)
{
printf("Calling back...");
funcInMain(i + 1);
}
Now how I can get this working, or is it possible at all?
With .DEF files I can get things compiled and linked, but even program
crashes at startup, or end up requesting "main.exp.dll".
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