spell checking in xemacs

[Koskie, Sarah]

I used setup to download and install both the aspell and xemacs
packages.  If I click on the "Spell" button on the toolbar in xemacs, I
get the message "Symbol's function definition is void: ispell-buffer".
The response to M-x spell, M-x aspell, and M-x ispell is [No match].
Setup indicates that I have version 21.4.15-1 of xemacs.

I've just spent hours combing the web and the mailing list archives and
FAQ's trying to find out how to fix this.  One person suggests 

(eval-after-load "ispell"
  '(progn
 (setq ispell-program-name "aspell")))

I entered this into my .xemacs/init.el file (this seems to be a
replacement for the old .emacs file one used to place in one's home
directory) but the behavior of xemacs described above did not change.

Another person suggested 

(setq-default ispell-program-name "aspell")

That also had no effect.

I'm not even sure xemacs is reading this initialization file though I
tried explicitly adding the .xemacs directory to my path.

Any help would be appreciated.  

I second the request of the person who wrote in March asking that ispell
be included with xemacs.  One really shouldn't have to spend hours
trying to get such a basic thing working.

Also it would be helpful if aspell had man pages!   



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RE: trying to reply to specific message

[Koskie, Sarah]

Sorry, I'd only encountered lists that one subscribed to by emailing
them with the word subscribe in the subject or body (so I tried both.)  

I followed the link you provided below but the response to clicking the
"Send in the request" button after entering mailing list name
cygwin-allow (and my e-mail address) was:

   Cannot handle your mailing list request at this time...

   You did not provide a mailing list name, or you've entered a mailing
list name which is not handled on sources.redhat.com.

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to work on the "getting a better mailer"
option.

> -Original Message-
> From: Igor Pechtchanski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:36 PM
> To: Koskie, Sarah
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: trying to reply to specific message
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Koskie, Sarah wrote:
> 
> > >> Is there a way to get related messages posted properly
> >
> > Thanks.  I tried the second method and it didn't work.  I requested
a
> > message and it was sent to me as an attachment.  The address
> > automatically inserted was for the original sender not the mailing
list
> > so I changed that to the mailing list, but, of course, my reply did
not
> > get posted as a follow on to the message.
> 
> Then MS Outlook is more retarded than I thought.  Pine, for example,
can
> easily reply to attached messages...
> 
> > I also checked the earlier discussion you referenced which seemed to
> > indicate that I should subscribe to cygwin-allow.  I tried that and
> > received the following:
> >
> > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at sourceware.org.
> > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
> > addresses.
> > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
> >
> > cygwincom>:
> > ezmlm-manage: fatal: I don't accept messages at this address
(inlocal
> > and/or inhost don't match) (#5.1.1)
> >
> > --- Enclosed are the original headers of the message.
> 
> You didn't read the instructions carefully enough.  It said to
*subscribe*
> to cygwin-allow, not send messages to that address.  You don't
subscribe
> to ezmlm lists by sending messages to those lists.  See
> <http://cygwin.com/ml/lists.html#faqs> for instructions and a handy
form.
> 
> > I guess this is why most of the postings aren't properly linked.
> 
> No, postings aren't properly linked because people don't bother to
make
> them properly linked (retarded mailers, etc).
> 
> > If I'm doing something wrong or there is anything else I should try
I'd
> > be glad to hear of it.
> 
> Sure.  Try getting a better mailer. :-D
>   Igor
> 
> > >> as followons in the mailing list archives without subscribing to
the
> > >> mailing list?
> >
> > >Yes.  Two ways, in fact.  One works with programs that understand
the
> > >"mbox" format for e-mail (e.g., pine); the other is more generic,
but
> > >requires some effort.
> >
> > 
> >
> > >For the "mbox" method, Google for "web archives raw text
> > >site:cygwin.com" -- I posted a couple of recipes before (I've since
> > >improved on the automation of the method, if anyone's interested).
> > >The second method is described in a help message you get from ezmlm
> > >(mail to cygwincom>) -- namely, you can get a
copy
> > >of any list message by e-mailing to
> > >cygwincom>.  The trick is finding out
the
> > >message number -- the "Raw text" link is helpful here as well; just
> > >look at the "From " line (first line of the raw text), and the
MSGNUM
> > >will be the digits between "cygwin-return-" and "-listarch-".
> 
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trying to reply to specific message

[Koskie, Sarah]

>> Is there a way to get related messages posted properly
Thanks.  I tried the second method and it didn't work.  I requested a
message and it was sent to me as an attachment.  The address
automatically inserted was for the original sender not the mailing list
so I changed that to the mailing list, but, of course, my reply did not
get posted as a follow on to the message.  I also checked the earlier
discussion you referenced which seemed to indicate that I should
subscribe to cygwin-allow.  I tried that and received the following:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at sourceware.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
ezmlm-manage: fatal: I don't accept messages at this address (inlocal
and/or inhost don't match) (#5.1.1)

--- Enclosed are the original headers of the message.

I guess this is why most of the postings aren't properly linked.

If I'm doing something wrong or there is anything else I should try I'd
be glad to hear of it.



>> as followons in  the mailing list archives without subscribing to the
>> mailing list?

>Yes.  Two ways, in fact.  One works with programs that understand the
>"mbox" format for e-mail (e.g., pine); the other is more generic, but
>requires some effort.



>For the "mbox" method, Google for "web archives raw text
>site:cygwin.com" -- I posted a couple of recipes before (I've since
>improved on the automation of the method, if anyone's interested).  The
>second method is described in a help message you get from ezmlm (mail
to
>cygwincom>) -- namely, you can get a copy of any
list
>message by e-mailing to cygwincom>.  The
trick
>is finding out the message number -- the "Raw text" link is helpful
here
>as well; just look at the "From " line (first line of the raw text),
and
>the MSGNUM will be the digits between "cygwin-return-" and
"-listarch-".


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RE: security and cygwin

[Koskie, Sarah]

Actually, Reini, I didn't say that I didn't know what a daemon was, I
said that I didn't know how to find out which ones were running (without
additional research, which, has thus far been fruitless).  If I type ps
-fA on my linux box at home, I get a list of all the running processes,
even when I am not logged in as root.  When I type ps -fA in cygwin, I
do not get a complete list -- just my shell and the ps command.  Of
course this brings up the question of who, exactly is root under cygwin,
but a check of /etc/passwd seems to indicate that there isn't one.  I
gather that if SYSTEM or Administrators wanted to take on the role,
they'd be able to do it.

As far as I can see from what you wrote, the real issue is that windows
is unsafe.  I don't use Explorer, and if there is an intruder on my
machine, I already have a problem, independent of what they can do using
cygwin services.  The question is whether someone can use cygwin to
intrude.

I guess I don't see why anyone would install cygwin rather than linux
unless they were stuck in a networked windows environment as I am, so I
would assume that it would be designed to work reasonably in such an
environment.  Only I and computer services have accounts on the machine.
I have to trust computer services, and if they screw up, they can't
blame me, so the only issue here is what I personally have to do to make
sure I do not introduce extra security risks into the system.  (Wish the
documentation addressed XP Pro rather than just NT.)


> -Original Message-
> From: Reini Urban [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:13 PM
> To: Koskie, Sarah
> Cc: Cygwin List
> Subject: Re: security and cygwin
> 
> Koskie, Sarah schrieb:
> >>>Are there any other security related issues I should know about?  I
> >>>have to assume that cygwin as installed is safe until I have time
to
> look
> >>>into it, so I am hoping that my faith is not misplaced.
> >>
> >>See the FAQ entry:
> >>
> >>How secure is Cygwin in a multi-user environment?
> >><http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC78>
> >
> > Thanks, but that does not answer my question.  I do not know what
> > daemons are running.
> 
> It does answer it.
> If you don't know this, you are completely unsafe.
> 
> > I did not start any.  I assume some are started in
> > the installation process but I don't know how to find out which they
> > are.  I just searched the FAQs for any other mention of "daemon" and
> > found none.  I have also checked the User's guide but it does not
seem
> > to contain any relevant info that I can see.  There should never be
any
> > users logged in remotely to my cygwin and if there is something I
have
> > to do to enforce that, that's part of what I want to know.  I should
> > also be the only one using sftp, ssh, etc. With the previous version
of
> > cygwin, I was able to sftp and ssh from cygwin to other machines but
not
> > from other machines to  my desktop computer.  I hope that is still
the
> > case.  I'll check it eventually, but as mentioned, I have a
> > more-than-full time job as other than an UNIX programmer or system
> > administrator and I cannot just stop and spend a month setting up
> > cygwin.  In the past I didn't have to.  The lack of relevant
> > documentation and the complexity of the current setup and install
> > process are extremely frustrating.
> 
> Trust the FAQ: It's unsafe.
> Esp. when you don't know what a daemon is. Just believe it.
> 
> A daemon is a long-running "satanic" background process.
> See your Task Manager on the Process Tab.
> 
> One of the daemons you don't see is for example called "Explorer" (the
> windows desktop). This is one of the worst security holes on windows,
> regardless of cygwin.
> 
> sftp, sshd, cygserver, cron and all other cygwin services are also
> daemons, which share global data via cygwin1.dll. If you are running
> them as user, a possible intruder can gain permissions of this user.
> If you run cygwin programs as service the intruder might gain
> permissions of the SYSTEM user.
> --
> Reini Urban
> 



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re emacs problems

[Koskie, Sarah]

> You might be better to modify the root - /etc/passwd, but I'm kinda

You're right John.  Thanks.  In fact, I later (after sending that email)
found that that was the problem and changed the home directory there.
Now the lines in the .login (copied from /etc/csh.login work correctly
for my tcsh shell.  

I'm still hoping someone can comment on what emacs I should install to
get the normal robust behavior I've come to expect from emacses.

Unrelated issue:  Is there a way to get related messages posted properly
as followons in  the mailing list archives without subscribing to the
mailing list?  I assume it's by replying to actual email from the
mailing list that messages are posted as replies rather than new
threads.  I can't see filling my email box with questions I don't for
the most part even understand, let alone have answers for, yet feel bad
about every message starting a new thread rather than being properly
appended to the previous thread.  I'm unwillingly sending mail using MS
Office Outlook 2003 until I find time to switch to something better.

--sk


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RE: security and cygwin

[Koskie, Sarah]

> >Are there any other security related issues I should know about?  I
have
> >to assume that cygwin as installed is safe until I have time to look
> >into it, so I am hoping that my faith is not misplaced.
> 
> 
> Strange that you should ask this question now, since you admit to
using
> Cygwin prior to all this and apparently this wasn't a concern then.
No
> matter.  See the FAQ entry:
> 
> How secure is Cygwin in a multi-user environment?
> 
> 

Thanks, but that does not answer my question.  I do not know what
daemons are running.  I did not start any.  I assume some are started in
the installation process but I don't know how to find out which they
are.  I just searched the FAQs for any other mention of "daemon" and
found none.  I have also checked the User's guide but it does not seem
to contain any relevant info that I can see.  There should never be any
users logged in remotely to my cygwin and if there is something I have
to do to enforce that, that's part of what I want to know.  I should
also be the only one using sftp, ssh, etc. With the previous version of
cygwin, I was able to sftp and ssh from cygwin to other machines but not
from other machines to  my desktop computer.  I hope that is still the
case.  I'll check it eventually, but as mentioned, I have a
more-than-full time job as other than an UNIX programmer or system
administrator and I cannot just stop and spend a month setting up
cygwin.  In the past I didn't have to.  The lack of relevant
documentation and the complexity of the current setup and install
process are extremely frustrating. 



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emacs problem results from bad $HOME value

[Koskie, Sarah]

Solved the problem with emacs flaking out.  The default values for $HOME
and $home set up in the default .login file were wrong.  Commented out
the lines that set them and hardcoded the correct location.  Pretty
irritating that this emacs (21.2-13) can't deal with this though. I've
never had this problem with any emacs I've used before.  Should be able
to say ^x^w and correct the pathname rather than being unable to
continue working and unable to do anything to save one's work.  Is one
of the other options more robust?


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^y in emacs results in total disaster

[Koskie, Sarah]

When I type ^y in emacs, instead of getting my last killed text back, I
get an error message about a missing directory.  The only "recovery"
from this error seems to be Mx-kill-emacs.  This is not very
satisfactory.  Please advise.


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FW: problems with new installation, followon to my questions of Sept 14, 20:22

[Koskie, Sarah]

And again. . .

From: Koskie, Sarah 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:56 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: FW: problems with new installation, followon to my questions of
Sept 14, 20:22

Thought I fixed it.  Sigh. . . .


From: Koskie, Sarah 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:47 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: FW: problems with new installation, followon to my questions of
Sept 14, 20:22

Gosh this is irritating.  I did not intentionally send 'mime type
"text/html"'.  Ok, fixed that annoying Outlook default "feature".  Do
you recommend Mozilla Thuderbird?

------

From: Koskie, Sarah 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:10 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: FW: problems with new installation, followon to my questions of
Sept 14, 20:22

Ok, I tried to send the output of cygcheck as an attachment, but your
mailer refused it.  I have included it at the end of the message.

-----

From: Koskie, Sarah 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:59 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: problems with new installation

Thanks for your reply.  My delay in replying is the result of my machine
being compromised coincident with my installing cygwin.  Luckily for me,
the compromise appears to have been over the network and to have nothing
to do with cygwin (or anything else I have done or not done.)  I have
now reinstalled cygwin from scratch.  

In answer to your implied question, the reason I would have preferred to
have the old version back is that I did not have time for this.  I don't
think of myself as requiring a terribly sophisticated computing
environment but I have had to install, to date, 7 additional packages as
I found basic tools I use every day were not included in the default
installation (more, tetex, tetex-extras, ghostscript, tcsh, openssh,
emacs).  I also have had to completely redo my .cshrc, .login, etc. and
am far from getting things working the way I want (and the way they
worked before). But that's neither here nor there at this point.

I have the following problems (possibly you should read my questions
below first - I leave that up to you):

Emacs doesn't work right.  1)  ^X^C does not close it - I have to use Mx
kill-emacs.  2)  I cannot cut or paste into it.  3)  I cannot use the
mouse to change the location of the pointer.  4)  backspace doesn't
work.  The pull-down menus don't work - not that I want them, but I
don't like having to go to so much trouble to close emacs. I've also had
trouble with the display getting screwed up - two lines of text stuck at
the top and not moving when I page down, etc.  

The icon opens a bash shell.  I changed my shell in /etc/passwd to tcsh
but I seem to have to actually log in to get a tcsh shell.  This, to me,
is not an improvement.  Before I clicked on the icon and got a tcsh
shell.  I tried creating a shortcut to /bin/tcsh but that still did not
give me a tcsh shell.

I have the following questions:

In order to cut and paste among cygwin shell windows, emacs windows, and
Windows windows, perhaps I have to have X running first?  (If not, what
do I need to do instead?)  I did not remember to tell our computer
services people to load Exceed.  Will the current emacs work with Exceed
or do I have to download and install more cygwin packages, or . . .  ?
I have attached the output of the command cygcheck -rsc so you can see
exactly what I have.  I did not download xemacs because in the past
emacs had worked fine with Exceed.  (Yes, obviously if I am going to use
Exceed, I will have to have the systems people install it.  I'm asking
what my options are here, and trying to sort out what problems arise
from what.)

In /etc/passwd, there are the following "users":  SYSTEM,
Administrators, HelpAssistant, ntguest, SUPPORT_388945a0, testman in
addition to me.  Since no one but me is supposed to be using cygwin, and
our computer services people certainly aren't going to help support it,
should I delete some of these users, and if so, what is the appropriate
procedure?

Are there any other security related issues I should know about?  I have
to assume that cygwin as installed is safe until I have time to look
into it, so I am hoping that my faith is not misplaced.

Regards,

--sk

 


Cygwin Package Information
Package  VersionStatus
_update-info-dir 00228-1OK
ash  20040127-1 OK
base-files   3.0-3  OK
base-passwd  2.0-1  OK
bash 2.05b-16   OK
bzip21.0.2-6OK
clear1.0-1  OK
crypt1.1-1  OK
ctags5.5-4  OK
cygutils 1.2.5-1OK
cygwin   1.5.11-1   OK
diffutils2.8.7-1

FW: newly installed cygwin does not work, seems to be screwing up windows as well.

[Koskie, Sarah]

-Original Message-
From: Koskie, Sarah 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:20 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: newly installed cygwin does not work, seems to be screwing up
windows as well.


Please help if possible.  I reinstalled cygwin yesterday.  (First
default, then added packages that sounded useful as directed.)  Big
mistake. I had been running a version I installed about a year ago and
hoped to take advantage of improvements since then.  Now many things
don't work and the things that do work don't work as well.

I have tried checking the mail archives and found a claim that the
installation process leaves a tarball of the old version.  If this is
so, please tell me a) where and b) how to undo my reinstallation.  After
this experience, I'd be happy -- no make that ecstatic and grateful --
to forget it and go back to what I was using.

I don't see any files that look likely, but can't untar anything anyway
because apparently gzip is no longer used.  Files are now labeled .bz2
and I don't know what to use to unzip them.  There's no manual entry for
bzip. 

Alternatively, if there is a known stale mirror that I could use, that
would be fine, but I don't know how about figuring out which of the 20
or so mirror sites would have a year-old version.

No need to tell me how stupid I was to install without backing cygwin
first.  At this point, I have pretty much identified all the various
stupid steps I took.  Just want to know whether can be undone and if so
how.

Thanks!!!




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