Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe
Well, getting decent keyboard access is naturally an interest of mine. I'll see what I can dig up about this from my screen-reader manufacturer. More then likely your assumption is correct, but if it doesn't work with standard windows controlls, that's also something I need to know. Thanks Sean PS. unfortunately I'm on outlook express here so if you know how to top post with that mailer, send that along to me. - Original Message - From: Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe Ugh, top-posting... Reformatted. On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Sean McMahon wrote: - Original Message - From: Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lennart Borgman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Lennart Borgman wrote: I read in the archives that there has been some discussions about accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe. Are there any plans to improve this? Keyboard support was not mentioned there but is also an important accessibility feature for many people. Are there any plans for keyboard support? I don't believe anyone has voiced plans for adding accessibility features to the current implementation of the setup package chooser. There are a couple of people (including me) working (slowly) on re-implementing the chooser completely using standard Windows controls, which will support keyboard interaction, screen readers, etc, automatically. Igor Igor, have you been able to get any documentation from screen reader and screen magnification makers reguarding what are and are not accessible window controlls? Glad to hear this is being worked on. Sean No, I have not tested my code with screen readers or any other accessibility software, as that's not my primary goal here. What I'd like to do is essentially decouple the logic from the GUI in setup, and have setup use standard Windows controls. The accessibility and keyboard interaction come as nice side benefits resulting from the use of standard controls. I'm assuming that the controls I'm planning to use (e.g., ListView) have sufficient accessibility support built-in. If and when I have some working code, I will request that people interested in accessibility test that code for the features they need. One thing I forgot to mention in my previous reply is that while using the standard Windows controls is my choice, nothing prevents others from submitting patches with alternate approaches (including patching the current code for accessibility). Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! If there's any real truth it's that the entire multidimensional infinity of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs. /DA -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe
hello! I'm one of the people who from time to time brings up the inaccessibility of the setup.exe program of cygwin. Basically what I've been told is that I'm free to work on it at any time. True but not helpfull because I don't know where to begin because I don't know enough about windows programming and don't know if these issues are due to a fault of the window classes not being recognized by my screen reader or if the developers of setup are using a wigit set that doesn't meet accessibility requirements. In short, and I appologize for those who have already seen me bring this up before, the view button should openup a standard listview controll containing 3state check boxes similar to those found on the windows installation cd and in the setup program in windows which allows you to add or remove some features. In this control on windows hitting the spacebar toggles the state from not installed to custom installed to fully installed. In other words, if you have some of the components of the accessories group, the box in windows setup allows you to remove accessories completely, install extra accessories components or keep the existing level of components. The other controlls which need work are the radio button for full vs. custom installation vs. all not installed. The radio buttons for prev cur and exp distrobutions work fine. Finally, the check boxes for add icon to desktop and add icon to start menu do not toggle with the space bar. - Original Message - From: Lennart Borgman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe I read in the archives that there has been some discussions about accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe. Are there any plans to improve this? Keyboard support was not mentioned there but is also an important accessibility feature for many people. Are there any plans for keyboard support? Kind regards, Lennart -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe
Igor, have you been able to get any documentation from screen reader and screen magnification makers reguarding what are and are not accessible window controlls? Glad to hear this is being worked on. Sean - Original Message - From: Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lennart Borgman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Lennart Borgman wrote: I read in the archives that there has been some discussions about accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe. Are there any plans to improve this? Keyboard support was not mentioned there but is also an important accessibility feature for many people. Are there any plans for keyboard support? I don't believe anyone has voiced plans for adding accessibility features to the current implementation of the setup package chooser. There are a couple of people (including me) working (slowly) on re-implementing the chooser completely using standard Windows controls, which will support keyboard interaction, screen readers, etc, automatically. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! If there's any real truth it's that the entire multidimensional infinity of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs. /DA -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New version of the Cygwin setup.exe program released
Any chance of getting accessability support in setup.exe? The list of packages should be setup as a standard listview with the graphic for each item as a multistate checkbox similar to what you have in the windows setup utility. - Original Message - From: Eric Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New version of the Cygwin setup.exe program released I have updated the Cygwin setup utility to version 2.510.2.1. This release contains a number of bugfixes and additional features, which are summarized below. Hooray! Much improved! Minor bugs I have noticed: On the file chooser page, all text has a white background rather than using the default background selected by the current Windows settings, as shown in the attachment. This was on Win2k, where the default background color is chosen by Display properties, Appearance tab, Item dropdown, Window. Also, since Admin is a category, and is not hidden, the checkbox at the bottom talking about hiding Administrative packages would probably be better written as hiding infrastructure packages. The tooltip for the View button disappears before I have had a chance to finish reading it, since it contains so much text. -- Eric Blake -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Permissions on .ssh/id_rsa
id_rsa is 400 here and that works fine. You don't need anyone to read your private key file. Have a look at the wincvs documentation which explains how to connect ssh with wincvs. - Original Message - From: Jörg Schaible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: RE: Permissions on .ssh/id_rsa Ensure that .ssh is 700 and id_rsa is 600. Otherwise ssh will not take'em ... and this is standard on all OS. Christopher Benson-Manica wrote on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:16 PM: How does one set permissions on id_rsa in such a way as to make ssh happy? Nothing I have done has made chmod 700 id_rsa actually work. Supposed solutions, such as adding CYGWIN=ntsec or CYGWIN=ntea to .bashrc and/or cygwin.bat, have not worked. If someone could enlighten me with a solution that actually DOES work, or a pointer to such a solution, I would be most grateful. -- Christopher Benson-Manica ataru(at)sdf.lonestar.org -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Commercial Support for Free Software
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Re: setup alternatives (was Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent)
Is there a cygwin port for this yast which will install cygwin packages? I should point out that some of the controlls in setup.exe work. The initial buttons for selecting install from internet, the next and back buttons, the finnish button. It's really the main points of setup.exe that don't work. The button which toggles all and the other categories and the multi-state toggles for individual packages as well as the listview of packages itself. The final checkboxes for create icon on desktop and create icon on startmenu do not obtain focus when hitting the tab key. - Original Message - From: Brian Dessent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: Re: setup alternatives (was Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent) Bill Hughes wrote: YaST from SUSE is now GPL and handles dependencies quite well, the reason I mention it is that as an alternative to the more normal 'pretty' gui it also has a text mode gui-ish interface which may work better with a screen reader/magnifier. I think that as long as we stick to standard controls and follow the normal accessability guidelines, it will work fine with a screen reader. The problem we have now is that the main package selection widget is a home grown control that paints itself (so it can't be read by other programs) and doesn't take keyboard input. Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent
I for one appreciate the clarification as I sent a detailed bug-report to this person assuming they were the maintainer. My question as I've asked before is, can or is someone working on improving accessibility of setup.exe for those of us who have to use windows via a screenreader and keyboard. Many of the buttons and controlls do not get focus and can't be opperated in the normal manner. - Original Message - From: Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Bespoke installations: simple elegance of setup.exe when setup.ini is absent On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:21:08PM -0500, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: Chris, why are you doing this to yourself? Come on, GRVS. You know the answer to that! It's fun! I'm also doing it to help you, as I have repeatedly stated. You now have the outlet you've been craving for almost two years. I'm sure this has finally gotten your blood pumping after years of non-response from me. Also, if you must know, I'm getting something out of this, too. I've got a wicked cold and am confined to the house for a few days. As somebody falsely accused of dishonesty by you, Chris, how could I not mind it? I don't like being falsely accused of lying any more than you like being rightfully accused of making uncalled-for rude comments. po-tayt-o/po-tatt-o I impatiently await your public explanation, if not retraction, if not apology, for this disturbing new low in your behavior in this forum. I think I see where you're trying to lead this. Let me see if I can clarify. Yes, you did contribute code and so you are historically responsible for pieces of setup.exe (unless they've been rewritten by now, which is doubtful, I guess). You are not, however, responsible for actively maintaining or supporting setup.exe currently. A casual reader of this mailing list might have been led to believe that you were somehow responsible for setup.exe as in the I have a problem will you help me with it sense. So, I stepped in to clarify. It's difficult to say (although we can certainly guess) which definition of responsible you were talking about so please take the keeping you honest comment as trying to make you communicate a little more clearly. I certainly was not intending to imply that you were some vile, loathsome committer of falsehoods. I'm sorry that you took it that way. But, if you stop to think about it, if I was really doing something like that then, with my awful email style, wouldn't it be more likely that I'd say something like: In what way would you think that you could possibly be considered to be responsible for setup.exe? You haven't contributed anything to the project in some time. I can't see any useful reason for you to be representing yourself in this matter. This message does nothing to advance this discussion. ? Instead, I was trying to emulate your lighthearted, playful style. Apparently, I didn't emulate you as well as I thought since surely, if I had, you would have been instructed by my response just as you continually try to lead me towards the light with all of your thoughtful, humorous (if slightly repetitive) missives. I guess my ham-fistedness touched a nerve and so does rate another apology. I am sorry that I could not properly emulate your style so as to make my intent clearer to you. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: ReMOVE ME FROM YR MAILING LIST FOR THE LAST TIME FUK OFF
How were they able to send to the list? just spam probably? - Original Message - From: Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: Re: ReMOVE ME FROM YR MAILING LIST FOR THE LAST TIME FUK OFF Amusingly enough, this person isn't subscribed to the cygwin list. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: any fix for the c-c and backspace problem with emacs on cygwin.
setting the variable CYGWIN to tty fixes the c-c problem in emacs but I still can't backspace either with the backspace key or the delete key, which sometimes functions as a backspace. setting CYGWIN to notty has even worse behavior, backspace and c-c don't work. If CYGWIN is set to tty or notty, the delete key functions as it does under windows, i.e. removes the letter at the cursor position and sucessively removes letters to the right of cursor. - Original Message - From: Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; cygwin@cygwin.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: Re: any fix for the c-c and backspace problem with emacs on cygwin. At 04:38 PM 1/20/2005, you wrote: In both ssh sessions and working with cygwin locally, hitting backspace in emacs issues a c-h, the help command. In the local sessions of cygwin only, not working on remote servers, c-c does not work. It does work over ssh. I do have the cygwin termcap entry on the remote server. backspacing also has a problem in sftp but not in any other applications like when issuing commands to the shell. I did see posts on this issue but never saw a good fix and wondered if anyone had some idea. cygwin version is 1.5.12(0.116/4/2) according to uname -r Best to start here: Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html My WAG guess is that you have not set tty in your Cygwin environment variable. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
any fix for the c-c and backspace problem with emacs on cygwin.
In both ssh sessions and working with cygwin locally, hitting backspace in emacs issues a c-h, the help command. In the local sessions of cygwin only, not working on remote servers, c-c does not work. It does work over ssh. I do have the cygwin termcap entry on the remote server. backspacing also has a problem in sftp but not in any other applications like when issuing commands to the shell. I did see posts on this issue but never saw a good fix and wondered if anyone had some idea. cygwin version is 1.5.12(0.116/4/2) according to uname -r Sean -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
