Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On 8/10/2010 10:38 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 02:04:47PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On 8/10/2010 1:21 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:13:41PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On Cygwin, make-3.82 supports DOS paths by default. I'm curious about what work might be involved in re-enabling the --ms-dos option, and I'd like to help, if I can. I built my Cygwin make-3.82 packages directly from the upstream release tarball using the attached script. I don't need help. I've been building make for years so I obviously don't need your script. Sorry for the confusion: I was not offering my script as hey look, here's how you do it, I was more saying I did it this way, but maybe that's too simple. What else is involved, and can I help with that? Once again: Don't need help. If you are thinking about maintaining a cygwin package then watch what is being discussed in cygwin-apps I am thinking about maintaining a Cygwin package. I have re-subscribed to cygwin-apps to try to get de-noobed. and read the Cygwin Packages link on the Cygwin web site. I've read that page pretty closely. The result was my construction and offer of make-3.81-4 Cygwin packages to address the lack of support for colons in paths, and later, make-3.82 Cygwin packages. If you have a general question about cygwin packages then ask it. My general question was: What requirements does a package maintainer need to consider, what tests must pass, etc. when constructing a Cygwin package from an upstream release? The answer (which I am paraphrasing from Larry Hall's response on the matter) seems to be basically: Whatever the package maintainer thinks is right. -Rob -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
Am 10.08.2010, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:51:38PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: Am 10.08.2010, 19:54 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: I wanted to let everyone know that I'm aware of the fact that make-3.82 has been released. However, given the number of reported problems in the make bugs mailing list, I don't plan on releasing a new version of GNU make until the dust has settled. That means no new version of make for at least a month. Also, given the ability to use more UNIX-like filenames in Cygwin 1.7.x, I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned - using new changes in GNU make to allow MS-DOS file names like c:\foo in makefiles. I'll have to investigate just how much the Windows-isms in GNU make's code impact Cygwin make before I make a final determination. I may just decide to reenable the --ms-dos option as it used to be in the old days. Or, if that's too much work, I might just turn off special-case handling of c:\blah entirely - just like it is in make-3.81. How about pointing people to mingw-make? I've been using that to build ntemacs for quite a while... http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2008-02/msg6.html Exactly - that why I'm asking why this win32/ms-dos file name re-enable thingy comes up again for Cygwin's GNU make... -- Matthias Andree -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 09:32:13AM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: Am 10.08.2010, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:51:38PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: Am 10.08.2010, 19:54 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: I wanted to let everyone know that I'm aware of the fact that make-3.82 has been released. However, given the number of reported problems in the make bugs mailing list, I don't plan on releasing a new version of GNU make until the dust has settled. That means no new version of make for at least a month. Also, given the ability to use more UNIX-like filenames in Cygwin 1.7.x, I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned - using new changes in GNU make to allow MS-DOS file names like c:\foo in makefiles. I'll have to investigate just how much the Windows-isms in GNU make's code impact Cygwin make before I make a final determination. I may just decide to reenable the --ms-dos option as it used to be in the old days. Or, if that's too much work, I might just turn off special-case handling of c:\blah entirely - just like it is in make-3.81. How about pointing people to mingw-make? I've been using that to build ntemacs for quite a while... http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2008-02/msg6.html Exactly - that why I'm asking why this win32/ms-dos file name re-enable thingy comes up again for Cygwin's GNU make... I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned ^^^ I had said that I'd reenable it if things changed in make. I've changed my mind so I was letting people know. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
I wanted to let everyone know that I'm aware of the fact that make-3.82 has been released. However, given the number of reported problems in the make bugs mailing list, I don't plan on releasing a new version of GNU make until the dust has settled. That means no new version of make for at least a month. Also, given the ability to use more UNIX-like filenames in Cygwin 1.7.x, I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned - using new changes in GNU make to allow MS-DOS file names like c:\foo in makefiles. I'll have to investigate just how much the Windows-isms in GNU make's code impact Cygwin make before I make a final determination. I may just decide to reenable the --ms-dos option as it used to be in the old days. Or, if that's too much work, I might just turn off special-case handling of c:\blah entirely - just like it is in make-3.81. FYI. *** CYGWIN-ANNOUNCE UNSUBSCRIBE INFO *** If you want to unsubscribe from the cygwin-announce mailing list, please use the automated form at: http://cygwin.com/lists.html#subscribe-unsubscribe If this does not work, then look at the List-Unsubscribe: tag in the email header of this message. Send email to the address specified there. It will be in the format: cygwin-announce-unsubscribe-you=yourdomain@cygwin.com If you need more information on unsubscribing, start reading here: http://sourceware.org/lists.html#unsubscribe-simple Please read *all* of the information on unsubscribing that is available starting at this URL. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On 8/10/2010 10:54 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
I wanted to let everyone know that I'm aware of the fact that make-3.82
has been released. However, given the number of reported problems in
the make bugs mailing list, I don't plan on releasing a new version of
GNU make until the dust has settled. That means no new version of make
for at least a month.
Also, given the ability to use more UNIX-like filenames in Cygwin 1.7.x,
I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned - using new
changes in GNU make to allow MS-DOS file names like c:\foo in
makefiles. I'll have to investigate just how much the Windows-isms in
GNU make's code impact Cygwin make before I make a final determination.
I may just decide to reenable the --ms-dos option as it used to be in
the old days. Or, if that's too much work, I might just turn off
special-case handling of c:\blah entirely - just like it is in
make-3.81.
FYI.
Thanks for the heads up.
On Cygwin, make-3.82 supports DOS paths by default. I'm curious about
what work might be involved in re-enabling the --ms-dos option, and I'd
like to help, if I can.
I built my Cygwin make-3.82 packages directly from the upstream release
tarball using the attached script.
-Rob
#!/bin/bash
# naming convention and rules for generation from http://cygwin.com/setup.html
PACKAGE=make
VERSION=3.82
# release number
RELEASE=1
PACKAGE_BIN_FILE=${PACKAGE}-${VERSION}-${RELEASE}.tar.bz2
PACKAGE_SRC_FILE=${PACKAGE}-${VERSION}-${RELEASE}-src.tar.bz2
# constructed stuff
PACKAGE_BIN_DIR=usr
PACKAGE_SRC_DIR=${PACKAGE}-${VERSION}-${RELEASE}
# stuff for building
VENDOR_DIR=make-3.82
VENDOR_FILE=${VENDOR_DIR}.tar.gz
BUILD_PREFIX=/usr
# whack anything generated
rm -f -r ${PACKAGE_BIN_FILE} \
${PACKAGE_BIN_DIR} \
${PACKAGE_SRC_FILE} \
${PACKAGE_SRC_DIR} \
${VENDOR_DIR} \
|| exit 1
if [ $1 = clean ]
then
exit 0
fi
# unpack tarball
tar zxf ${VENDOR_FILE} || exit 1
# archive source for package
cp -r ${VENDOR_DIR} ${PACKAGE_SRC_DIR} || exit 1
# construct PACKAGE_SRC_FILE from archive
(tar cf - --owner=0 --group=0 ${PACKAGE_SRC_DIR} |
bzip2 ${PACKAGE_SRC_FILE}) || exit 1
if [ $1 = nobuild ]
then
exit 0
fi
pushd ${PACKAGE_SRC_DIR} || exit 1
# run ./configure
./configure --prefix=${BUILD_PREFIX} || exit 1
# note that make needs an absolute path for installation
make prefix=$(pwd)/../${PACKAGE_BIN_DIR} install || exit 1
popd
(tar cf - --owner=0 --group=0 ${PACKAGE_BIN_DIR} | \
bzip2 ${PACKAGE_BIN_FILE}) || exit 1
--
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:13:41PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On Cygwin, make-3.82 supports DOS paths by default. I'm curious about what work might be involved in re-enabling the --ms-dos option, and I'd like to help, if I can. I built my Cygwin make-3.82 packages directly from the upstream release tarball using the attached script. I don't need help. I've been building make for years so I obviously don't need your script. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
Am 10.08.2010, 19:54 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: I wanted to let everyone know that I'm aware of the fact that make-3.82 has been released. However, given the number of reported problems in the make bugs mailing list, I don't plan on releasing a new version of GNU make until the dust has settled. That means no new version of make for at least a month. Also, given the ability to use more UNIX-like filenames in Cygwin 1.7.x, I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned - using new changes in GNU make to allow MS-DOS file names like c:\foo in makefiles. I'll have to investigate just how much the Windows-isms in GNU make's code impact Cygwin make before I make a final determination. I may just decide to reenable the --ms-dos option as it used to be in the old days. Or, if that's too much work, I might just turn off special-case handling of c:\blah entirely - just like it is in make-3.81. How about pointing people to mingw-make? I've been using that to build ntemacs for quite a while... -- Matthias Andree -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:51:38PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: Am 10.08.2010, 19:54 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: I wanted to let everyone know that I'm aware of the fact that make-3.82 has been released. However, given the number of reported problems in the make bugs mailing list, I don't plan on releasing a new version of GNU make until the dust has settled. That means no new version of make for at least a month. Also, given the ability to use more UNIX-like filenames in Cygwin 1.7.x, I'm contemplating not doing what I'd previously mentioned - using new changes in GNU make to allow MS-DOS file names like c:\foo in makefiles. I'll have to investigate just how much the Windows-isms in GNU make's code impact Cygwin make before I make a final determination. I may just decide to reenable the --ms-dos option as it used to be in the old days. Or, if that's too much work, I might just turn off special-case handling of c:\blah entirely - just like it is in make-3.81. How about pointing people to mingw-make? I've been using that to build ntemacs for quite a while... http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2008-02/msg6.html -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On 8/10/2010 1:21 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:13:41PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On Cygwin, make-3.82 supports DOS paths by default. I'm curious about what work might be involved in re-enabling the --ms-dos option, and I'd like to help, if I can. I built my Cygwin make-3.82 packages directly from the upstream release tarball using the attached script. I don't need help. I've been building make for years so I obviously don't need your script. Sorry for the confusion: I was not offering my script as hey look, here's how you do it, I was more saying I did it this way, but maybe that's too simple. What else is involved, and can I help with that? So: I'm still curious about the work you anticipate might be required. There's not much on the Cygwin site detailing the responsibilities of a package maintainer beyond: /Do you have the time to maintain the package?/ Packages without active maintainers are pulled from the distribution. Generally speaking the time commitment is relatively low, simply subscribe to the cygwin mailing list. We'd prefer if you read the non-digest mode since prompt response to packaging issues is a plus. When a /bug/ in your package is reported in the cygwin mailing list, address the bug (if it's a Cygwin-only bug) or pass back to the vendor. When a solution exists, create an updated package with the fix in it, and send a notification that you need the package uploaded to cygwin-apps. Note that you are not expected to be a helpdesk for the package - the users should be pointed to the vendors lists if you've determined that the bug is not a Cygwin-related bug. Thanks, Rob -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On 8/10/2010 5:04 PM, Rob Walker wrote: On 8/10/2010 1:21 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:13:41PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On Cygwin, make-3.82 supports DOS paths by default. I'm curious about what work might be involved in re-enabling the --ms-dos option, and I'd like to help, if I can. I built my Cygwin make-3.82 packages directly from the upstream release tarball using the attached script. I don't need help. I've been building make for years so I obviously don't need your script. Sorry for the confusion: I was not offering my script as hey look, here's how you do it, I was more saying I did it this way, but maybe that's too simple. What else is involved, and can I help with that? So: I'm still curious about the work you anticipate might be required. There's not much on the Cygwin site detailing the responsibilities of a package maintainer beyond: It's a maintainer's responsibility to decide what's the best way to package the software for Cygwin. Obviously, there are basic guidelines, such as package naming, build scripts, and the like. But the rest is up to the maintainer. So if a maintainer doesn't think a feature fits well with Cygwin usage, then he/she is free to modify the package to disable that feature. Ditto if the feature is normally disabled but would be better enabled for Cygwin. This is the process that Chris is going through right now for make-3.82. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Update on status of make-3.82 release for cygwin
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 02:04:47PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On 8/10/2010 1:21 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:13:41PM -0700, Rob Walker wrote: On Cygwin, make-3.82 supports DOS paths by default. I'm curious about what work might be involved in re-enabling the --ms-dos option, and I'd like to help, if I can. I built my Cygwin make-3.82 packages directly from the upstream release tarball using the attached script. I don't need help. I've been building make for years so I obviously don't need your script. Sorry for the confusion: I was not offering my script as hey look, here's how you do it, I was more saying I did it this way, but maybe that's too simple. What else is involved, and can I help with that? Once again: Don't need help. If you are thinking about maintaining a cygwin package then watch what is being discussed in cygwin-apps and read the Cygwin Packages link on the Cygwin web site. If you have a general question about cygwin packages then ask it. I'm not going to be providing you with my personal insights about make, however. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
