Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Lewis Hyatt wrote: Andrew DeFaria wrote: Tim Prince wrote: Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I do that all the time. In fact I wouldn't live without it. There's no problems with doing this. Problems can arise, and when they do, they are particularly hard to debug. Problems can arise each and every day that you wake up and walk out the door. What's cha gonna do? Tell you what I do - I live. You can stay inside. It happened to me when trying to install gAim; it tried to load the cygwin versions of DLLs with the same names as it was looking for, and crashed on startup. I think it is safest to keep cygwin out of your Windows PATH. One frigging application out of how many? Easily fixed with merely a script like: #!/bin/bash # Start gaim with a limited path PATH= exec /apps/gaim/gaim $@ BFD. -- Andrew DeFaria http://defaria.com I think there is a world market for maybe five computers. - Thomas J. Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
On 26 July 2007 19:13, David L Goldsmith wrote: Thanks for the (somewhat) validating reply. Any idea why I'm not seeing make in my cygwin installation. DG Two things: 1. http://cygwin.com/acronyms#PPIOSPE. Redirected to mailing list. 2. http://cygwin.com/faq/faq.setup.html#faq.setup.what-packages As you surmised way back at the start of the thread, make isn't part of the default selection, you'll need to rerun setup.exe and select it in the package chooser. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 01:18:50AM -0400, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: David Goldsmith wrote: I actually knew it was a joke when you got to Cygwin made his machine blue-screen ... He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall and then when you added he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project I was even more certain. How could anyone believe you were serious? ;-) I believe it's my countenance that inspires the trust. It's a blessing and a curse. ;-) Of course that backwards collar thing helps too. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: David Goldsmith wrote: Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: Chris just sent me email to tell me that Cygwin made his machine blue-screen and interrupted the above email. He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall. For this reason, he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project. It's just not compatible with Windows. Perhaps it's time for a new project that brings all the great Cygwin tools to a more compatible platform like Linux. Anybody interested in that? This is a joke, right? (I thought so - and a pretty funny one, I thought - but someone I forwarded it to missed the joke so I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss that it isn't a joke.) You're right. I actually thought about adding smilies or a disclaimer at the bottom but then thought that would ruin the humor. I thought the idea of moving Cygwin to Linux would be absurd enough that everyone would get it. But I suppose if you read it quick enough, the absurdity might not sink in. My apologies if anyone else became distraught by my attempt at humor. I actually knew it was a joke when you got to Cygwin made his machine blue-screen ... He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall and then when you added he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project I was even more certain. How could anyone believe you were serious? ;-) DG -- ERD/ORR/NOS/NOAA http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/emergencyresponse/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
David Goldsmith wrote: Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: Chris just sent me email to tell me that Cygwin made his machine blue-screen and interrupted the above email. He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall. For this reason, he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project. It's just not compatible with Windows. Perhaps it's time for a new project that brings all the great Cygwin tools to a more compatible platform like Linux. Anybody interested in that? This is a joke, right? (I thought so - and a pretty funny one, I thought - but someone I forwarded it to missed the joke so I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss that it isn't a joke.) You're right. I actually thought about adding smilies or a disclaimer at the bottom but then thought that would ruin the humor. I thought the idea of moving Cygwin to Linux would be absurd enough that everyone would get it. But I suppose if you read it quick enough, the absurdity might not sink in. My apologies if anyone else became distraught by my attempt at humor. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Andrew DeFaria wrote: Tim Prince wrote: Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I do that all the time. In fact I wouldn't live without it. There's no problems with doing this. Problems can arise, and when they do, they are particularly hard to debug. It happened to me when trying to install gAim; it tried to load the cygwin versions of DLLs with the same names as it was looking for, and crashed on startup. I think it is safest to keep cygwin out of your Windows PATH. -Lewis -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:23:03PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote: David L Goldsmith wrote: Tim Prince wrote: make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I don't understand this comment at all: isn't cygwin precisely for Windows environs? Besides, it's not my choice to use cygwin - I need to use ATLAS and the install instructions I found for that say first install cygwin. If anyone knows a better way to install ATLAS, please share. Right click on My Computer, select Properties, Advanced then Environment Variables. There are two areas: User variables and System variables. Both can have a PATH environment variable. They are combined. The difference is that System variables are known to services which start before you log in (of course if you change these you need to reboot to rebuild the services environment which is built at boot time). I add C:\Cygwin\bin to my System variables personally. Yep. I've been doing that for ten years now. If there was a problem with doing that, you'd think I w Chris just sent me email to tell me that Cygwin made his machine blue-screen and interrupted the above email. He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall. For this reason, he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project. It's just not compatible with Windows. Perhaps it's time for a new project that brings all the great Cygwin tools to a more compatible platform like Linux. Anybody interested in that? -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: Chris just sent me email to tell me that Cygwin made his machine blue-screen and interrupted the above email. He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall. For this reason, he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project. It's just not compatible with Windows. Perhaps it's time for a new project that brings all the great Cygwin tools to a more compatible platform like Linux. Anybody interested in that? This is a joke, right? (I thought so - and a pretty funny one, I thought - but someone I forwarded it to missed the joke so I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss that it isn't a joke.) DG -- ERD/ORR/NOS/NOAA http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/emergencyresponse/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:23:03PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote: David L Goldsmith wrote: Tim Prince wrote: make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I don't understand this comment at all: isn't cygwin precisely for Windows environs? Besides, it's not my choice to use cygwin - I need to use ATLAS and the install instructions I found for that say first install cygwin. If anyone knows a better way to install ATLAS, please share. Right click on My Computer, select Properties, Advanced then Environment Variables. There are two areas: User variables and System variables. Both can have a PATH environment variable. They are combined. The difference is that System variables are known to services which start before you log in (of course if you change these you need to reboot to rebuild the services environment which is built at boot time). I add C:\Cygwin\bin to my System variables personally. Yep. I've been doing that for ten years now. If there was a problem with doing that, you'd think I w -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
David Goldsmith wrote: I actually knew it was a joke when you got to Cygwin made his machine blue-screen ... He needs to reformat his disk and reinstall and then when you added he's taking down the Cygwin site and ending the project I was even more certain. How could anyone believe you were serious? ;-) I believe it's my countenance that inspires the trust. It's a blessing and a curse. ;-) -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
David L Goldsmith schrieb: First, how do I subscribe to the list? (I searched searched but all I could find appeared to subscribe new lists to GMANE, not new subscribers to existing lists.) If you read any ANNOUNCEMENT mail to this list you will see instructions. In detail look at this email header for List-Subscribe: If you want to search at the web you will find a nice Mailinglist link at the cygwin.com website. There at the very bottom is a easily subscribe to any list you want to. But you want to subscribe to mingw-users. See http://www.mingw.org/lists.shtml Second: I'm installing Cygwin to try to install ATLAS; I'm working from Kevin Shappard's instructions @: http://www.kevinsheppard.com/research/matlabatlas/matlab_atlas.aspx These are mingw instructions. We don't want to help you here. In his instructions, he states: Make sure to add c:\cygwin\bin to the path and add the ntsec flag to the CYGWIN environment variable. These steps are discussed in the Setting Up Cygwin section of the cygwin user's guide http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/cygwin-ug-net.html. However, it is unclear to me whether he means Windows' Path (accessible through right-clicking on My Computer) or cygwin's UNIX PATH variable? Same question regarding ntsec and CYGWIN? (I found that the Environment Variables section of Setting Up Cygwin is also not clear on this. If you set them in Windows they will be imported into CYGWIN. In particular, after doing what that document suggests - set CYGWIN=tty notitle glob at a DOS prompt - I see no CYGWIN variable added to my environment variables in either Windows or in the Cygwin bash shell.) Then your bash invocation script does not pick up your Windows environment setting set CYGWIN=tty notitle glob When I do: cmd set CYGWIN=tty notitle glob bash --login -i printenv CYGWIN I see this CYGWIN setting, if my profile does not overwrite it. The other problem I'm having is that Mr. Sheppard states that after cygwin is installed and ATLAS downloaded and unpacked, it is built w/ make, but my cygwin installation does not appear to have come w/ make - am I supposed to download and build that separately? to install via setup.exe yes, to build not. cygwin comes with precompiled binaries. -- Reini Urban http://phpwiki.org/ http://murbreak.at/ http://helsinki.at/ http://spacemovie.mur.at/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
On 26 July 2007 01:34, Tim Prince wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, how do I subscribe to the list? Instructions are at www.cygwin.com and at the bottom of each forwarded e-mail. The other problem I'm having is that Mr. Sheppard states that after cygwin is installed and ATLAS downloaded and unpacked, it is built w/ make, but my cygwin installation does not appear to have come w/ make - am I supposed to download and build that separately? make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. This list doesn't like to spend a lot of time telling people how to muck up and later fix their setup. That's a bit overcautious. In the case of the CYGWIN environment variable it's even wrong, since some of the options (tty) you have to have set /before/ you fire up your shell. And I /always/ put cygwin's bin dir in my 'doze PATH, so that I can use it from a cmd shell. Doesn't cause me any problems. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, how do I subscribe to the list? Instructions are at www.cygwin.com and at the bottom of each forwarded e-mail. The other problem I'm having is that Mr. Sheppard states that after cygwin is installed and ATLAS downloaded and unpacked, it is built w/ make, but my cygwin installation does not appear to have come w/ make - am I supposed to download and build that separately? make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. This list doesn't like to spend a lot of time telling people how to muck up and later fix their setup. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 02:02:52AM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: On 26 July 2007 01:34, Tim Prince wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, how do I subscribe to the list? Instructions are at www.cygwin.com and at the bottom of each forwarded e-mail. The other problem I'm having is that Mr. Sheppard states that after cygwin is installed and ATLAS downloaded and unpacked, it is built w/ make, but my cygwin installation does not appear to have come w/ make - am I supposed to download and build that separately? make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. This list doesn't like to spend a lot of time telling people how to muck up and later fix their setup. That's a bit overcautious. In the case of the CYGWIN environment variable it's even wrong, since some of the options (tty) you have to have set /before/ you fire up your shell. And I /always/ put cygwin's bin dir in my 'doze PATH, so that I can use it from a cmd shell. Doesn't cause me any problems. This is right, of course. There is no reason to avoid putting the Cygwin bin directory in your Windows path. It's bad advice to tell people not to do that. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Prince wrote: make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I don't understand this comment at all: isn't cygwin precisely for Windows environs? Besides, it's not my choice to use cygwin - I need to use ATLAS and the install instructions I found for that say first install cygwin. If anyone knows a better way to install ATLAS, please share. cygwin is best suited for running applications inside its own environment. I tried to answer, as I didn't notice any replies. I don't think anyone has wanted to spend the time trying to divine your intentions by reading documentation which you say the author has declined to support. You could be wanting to use ATLAS within cygwin, built with cygwin compilers, in which case this list might be of some assistance. Even if you are using non-cygwin compilers, simply using cygwin make etc. to run a Makefile, you really should try to set those compilers up normally, minimize non-standard path settings, and make any changes you require in the Makefile. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
David L Goldsmith wrote: Tim Prince wrote: make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I don't understand this comment at all: isn't cygwin precisely for Windows environs? Besides, it's not my choice to use cygwin - I need to use ATLAS and the install instructions I found for that say first install cygwin. If anyone knows a better way to install ATLAS, please share. Right click on My Computer, select Properties, Advanced then Environment Variables. There are two areas: User variables and System variables. Both can have a PATH environment variable. They are combined. The difference is that System variables are known to services which start before you log in (of course if you change these you need to reboot to rebuild the services environment which is built at boot time). I add C:\Cygwin\bin to my System variables personally. -- Andrew DeFaria http://defaria.com I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. - Solomon Short -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Tim Prince wrote: Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I do that all the time. In fact I wouldn't live without it. There's no problems with doing this. -- Andrew DeFaria http://defaria.com I thought about how mothers feed their babies with tiny little spoons and forks so I wondered, what do Chinese mothers use? Toothpicks? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
Tim Prince wrote: make is available on the cygwin setup selection window, as are other development packages you would need. Generally speaking, putting cygwin stuff in your Windows environment should be avoided. I don't understand this comment at all: isn't cygwin precisely for Windows environs? Besides, it's not my choice to use cygwin - I need to use ATLAS and the install instructions I found for that say first install cygwin. If anyone knows a better way to install ATLAS, please share. DG This list doesn't like to spend a lot of time telling people how to muck up and later fix their setup. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- ERD/ORR/NOS/NOAA http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/emergencyresponse/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
[Parallels 3.0, MacOS 10.4.9] Cygwin install probs and how do I subscribe
First, how do I subscribe to the list? (I searched searched but all I could find appeared to subscribe new lists to GMANE, not new subscribers to existing lists.) Second: I'm installing Cygwin to try to install ATLAS; I'm working from Kevin Shappard's instructions @: http://www.kevinsheppard.com/research/matlabatlas/matlab_atlas.aspx I've already emailed him and he said he no longer supports ATLAS. In his instructions, he states: Make sure to add c:\cygwin\bin to the path and add the ntsec flag to the CYGWIN environment variable. These steps are discussed in the Setting Up Cygwin section of the cygwin user's guide http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/cygwin-ug-net.html. However, it is unclear to me whether he means Windows' Path (accessible through right-clicking on My Computer) or cygwin's UNIX PATH variable? Same question regarding ntsec and CYGWIN? (I found that the Environment Variables section of Setting Up Cygwin is also not clear on this. In particular, after doing what that document suggests - set CYGWIN=tty notitle glob at a DOS prompt - I see no CYGWIN variable added to my environment variables in either Windows or in the Cygwin bash shell.) The other problem I'm having is that Mr. Sheppard states that after cygwin is installed and ATLAS downloaded and unpacked, it is built w/ make, but my cygwin installation does not appear to have come w/ make - am I supposed to download and build that separately? Thanks! DG -- ERD/ORR/NOS/NOAA http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/emergencyresponse/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
