Re: Add emacs build with LUCID X toolkit ?

2018-03-07 Thread Alejandro Benitez
> vfork issues almost always indicate a need to do a full rebase.

Thank you. I really should have clarified that, I did try several rebaseall 
approaches to no avail. It seems this emacs build is a bit dated (March 2017) 
and might be linking to some dll files rebaseall is not honoring. I will post 
this or a related question in a new thread as soon as I can perform further 
tests. I just didn't want to wait to do the emacs build with lucid x toolkit 
suggestion.


El 05/03/2018 a las 11:03 a.m., Ken Brown escribió:
> On 3/5/2018 8:21 AM, Alejandro Benitez wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I often painstakingly work on my build of emacs and never look back, 
>> praying to never come back, but then I get some annoyances such as 
>> vfork issues I can't fix. I will go further on this in a different post.
>
> vfork issues almost always indicate a need to do a full rebase. See
>
>   https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-fork-failures .
>
> Or switch from 32-bit Cygwin to 64-bit Cygwin, where such problems are 
> extremely rare.
>
>> Maybe add a new emacs-lucid package ?
>
> Cygwin's emacs uses GTK+ because that's the default for an emacs build 
> on all unix-like platforms.  But I'll think about adding an 
> emacs-lucid package for the next emacs release.  It would be good to 
> know how much demand there is for this.  Are there other emacs-X11 
> users who would prefer the Lucid toolkit?
>
> Ken
>
>
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Re: Add emacs build with LUCID X toolkit ?

2018-03-05 Thread Markus Hoenicka

At 2018-03-05 15:03, Ken Brown was heard to say:

On 3/5/2018 8:21 AM, Alejandro Benitez wrote:

Hi,
I often painstakingly work on my build of emacs and never look back, 
praying to never come back, but then I get some annoyances such as 
vfork issues I can't fix. I will go further on this in a different 
post.


vfork issues almost always indicate a need to do a full rebase.  See

  https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-fork-failures .

Or switch from 32-bit Cygwin to 64-bit Cygwin, where such problems are
extremely rare.


Maybe add a new emacs-lucid package ?


Cygwin's emacs uses GTK+ because that's the default for an emacs build
on all unix-like platforms.  But I'll think about adding an
emacs-lucid package for the next emacs release.  It would be good to
know how much demand there is for this.  Are there other emacs-X11
users who would prefer the Lucid toolkit?



As an avid emacs user I have no desire to switch to emacs-lucid. If the 
extra work to provide both packages is limited, it would not hurt to 
have both packages though.


just my 2 cc
Markus

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Re: Add emacs build with LUCID X toolkit ?

2018-03-05 Thread Keith Christian
Ken,

I use Emacs infrequently, but others might start using it if an
emacs-lucid build means a better performing Emacs on Cygwin.

You'd have Alejandro as a happy customer  (-:

Keith

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Re: Add emacs build with LUCID X toolkit ?

2018-03-05 Thread Ken Brown

On 3/5/2018 8:21 AM, Alejandro Benitez wrote:

Hi,
I often painstakingly work on my build of emacs and never look back, praying to 
never come back, but then I get some annoyances such as vfork issues I can't 
fix. I will go further on this in a different post.


vfork issues almost always indicate a need to do a full rebase.  See

  https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-fork-failures .

Or switch from 32-bit Cygwin to 64-bit Cygwin, where such problems are 
extremely rare.



Maybe add a new emacs-lucid package ?


Cygwin's emacs uses GTK+ because that's the default for an emacs build 
on all unix-like platforms.  But I'll think about adding an emacs-lucid 
package for the next emacs release.  It would be good to know how much 
demand there is for this.  Are there other emacs-X11 users who would 
prefer the Lucid toolkit?


Ken


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Add emacs build with LUCID X toolkit ?

2018-03-05 Thread Alejandro Benitez
Hi,
I often painstakingly work on my build of emacs and never look back, praying to 
never come back, but then I get some annoyances such as vfork issues I can't 
fix. I will go further on this in a different post.

So, if there's anyone related to the Cygwin's emacs package, pretty please 
change the widget choice from gtk to lucid / athena, it adds a lot more power 
to emacs. Otherwise, every time you close the X Server, emacs running in server 
mode will crash due to a longstanding gtk bug when X display is disconnected. 
Emacs even outputs a friendly last message with a link to the bug before 
crashing.

Emacs folks tend to have an eternal emacs server instance running on their PCs 
that often / can endure killing the Windows console session and then resuming 
it at your next logon or just keep the fun via ssh. We can't do this with 
Cygwin's emacs package, so it needs to build emacs yourself. Maybe add a new 
emacs-lucid package ? And really I guess most emacs users just remove 
tool-bars, menu-bars, scroll-bars first thing in their config file and use the 
keyboard. Thanks!

Same request to Fedora: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471258

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