Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:58:18PM +0200, SPC wrote: On the comments of Andrey, I've started with the translation into Spanish (from Spain) this afternoon. I have used the Google translator for a first translation and then review the results in detail. In this case the translation to Spanish provided by Google was acceptable. Of course, I didn't front yet the body of the FAQ :-) If would be nice if you could share a link to your work. I'll be glad to review your translation if you like the idea. -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Fwd: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
No problem. But let me organize myself :-) But, one questión... Some preferences to stablish a repository ? I have account in Git, Sourceforge and Google for diverse projects, and I could use one Project Site as ProjectLinkr or Teambox if needed. In the most simple case, I could define a resource and store the work under a Public Directory in Dropbox, Box.net or similar services. Preferences ? Regards Sergio Pedraja 2012/7/24 David Sastre Medina On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:58:18PM +0200, SPC wrote: On the comments of Andrey, I've started with the translation into Spanish (from Spain) this afternoon. I have used the Google translator for a first translation and then review the results in detail. In this case the translation to Spanish provided by Google was acceptable. Of course, I didn't front yet the body of the FAQ :-) If would be nice if you could share a link to your work. I'll be glad to review your translation if you like the idea. -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Fwd: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:35:10PM +0200, SPC wrote: No problem. But let me organize myself :-) But, one questión... Some preferences to stablish a repository ? I have account in Git, Sourceforge and Google for diverse projects, and I could use one Project Site as ProjectLinkr or Teambox if needed. In the most simple case, I could define a resource and store the work under a Public Directory in Dropbox, Box.net or similar services. Preferences ? GitHub is fine for me, but I'll use whichever one you prefer. -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fwd: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
Fine. Sergio. 2012/7/24 David Sastre Medina On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:35:10PM +0200, SPC wrote: Preferences ? GitHub is fine for me, but I'll use whichever one you prefer. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
Greetings, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]! I've wondered about this. My experience with Google Translate on non-technical text to French (which I speak reasonably, though far from fluently) is that it often works very well, though occasionally it generates a bit of utter nonsense. It generates utter nonsense 50% of the time, other 50% it is barely understandable, or at least ambiguous. This goes into both directions, English - foreign and foreign - English. This was one of the reasons, why I at least cat read/write English. My question is whether it is good enough for something like a FAQ? Should this be officially recommended? I wouldn't do so. This may cause more harm, than the potential good that you may gain from it. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@freemail.ru) 22.07.2012, 17:53 Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
On the comments of Andrey, I've started with the translation into Spanish (from Spain) this afternoon. I have used the Google translator for a first translation and then review the results in detail. In this case the translation to Spanish provided by Google was acceptable. Of course, I didn't front yet the body of the FAQ :-) Regards Sergio 2012/7/22 Andrey Repin Greetings, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]! It generates utter nonsense 50% of the time, other 50% it is barely understandable, or at least ambiguous. This goes into both directions, English - foreign and foreign - English. This was one of the reasons, why I at least cat read/write English. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
RE: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
Corinna Vinschen sent the following at Friday, July 20, 2012 4:48 AM On Jul 19 22:38, SPC wrote: Hello. I'm a Cygwin lists subscriber (with some problems from time to time to send mails but this is another story). The message about outdated FAQs of yesterday let me think in the general lack of translations of Unix-like-items documentation to spanish language. Exists something translated under Cygwin to spanish ? Some kind of team doing it ? In negative case I could dedicate some time to this project, including translations inside source code. I hope you mean the documentation sources. I'm not fluent in spanish and converting my english comments in the Cygwin sources to spanish would left me a bit puzzled :) The documentation is written by the developers. There's no doc team nor a translation team, given that we have only a tiny number of contributors to the Cygwin package codebase. If you're interested in providing a spanish translation of the docs or the FAQs, we can certainly arrange a side project for translations in CVS, and the necessary web space to publish them. If you're interested, we could discuss the howto in the cygwin-apps mailing list. Btw., the same goes for anybody who would like to provide translations in any other language, naturally. I would just like to ask that you make sure you mean that seriously and don't drop off right at the next stop. I've wondered about this. My experience with Google Translate on non-technical text to French (which I speak reasonably, though far from fluently) is that it often works very well, though occasionally it generates a bit of utter nonsense. My question is whether it is good enough for something like a FAQ? Should this be officially recommended? For Corinna's expert opinion plus recently discussed languages: German: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.htmlact=urltl=de Spanish: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.htmlact=urltl=es Armenian: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.htmlact=urltl=hy - Barry Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:18:01PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: Spanish: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.htmlact=urltl=es Please don't use this translation, 50% of it doesn't make any sense at all. -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
My experience with Google Translate is not bad, but David is right about the translation from other idioms to Spanish. I wondered about that many times. he only reasonable explain is related with the option available under Google Translate to suggest a better translation. For this reason, the use of GT to *begin* with a translation to Spanish is reasonable only in a very limited context. You need to work *a lot* directly with the text object of translation. With independence of this, as I told previously, I should like to try it. Regards Sergio 2012/7/21 David Sastre Medina On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:18:01PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: Spanish: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.htmlact=urltl=es Please don't use this translation, 50% of it doesn't make any sense at all. -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 07:38:15PM +0200, SPC wrote: snip about the translation from other idioms to Spanish. I wondered about s/idiom/language/ -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
On Jul 19 22:38, SPC wrote: Hello. I'm a Cygwin lists subscriber (with some problems from time to time to send mails but this is another story). The message about outdated FAQs of yesterday let me think in the general lack of translations of Unix-like-items documentation to spanish language. Exists something traslated under Cygwin to Spanish ? Some kind of team doing it ? In negative case I could dedicate some time to this project, including translations inside source code. I hope you mean the documentation sources. I'm not fluent in spanish and converting my english comments in the Cygwin sources to spanish would left me a bit puzzled :) The documentation is written by the developers. There's no doc team nor a translation team, given that we have only a tiny number of contributors to the Cygwin package codebase. If you're interested in providing a spanish translation of the docs or the FAQs, we can certainly arrange a side project for translations in CVS, and the necessary web space to publish them. If you're interested, we could discuss the howto in the cygwin-apps mailing list. Btw., the same goes for anybody who would like to provide translations in any other language, naturally. I would just like to ask that you make sure you mean that seriously and don't drop off right at the next stop. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
Hi. I'll try (again) to send this reply. I understand your point about dedication to this project, of course. And is a matter to discuss to have a correct idea of the whole dedication needed before take a decision about it . In the other hand, your proposal about create a side project appears to be the logical way. Regards Sergio 2012/7/20 Corinna Vinschen : On Jul 19 22:38, SPC wrote: The documentation is written by the developers. There's no doc team nor a translation team, given that we have only a tiny number of contributors to the Cygwin package codebase. If you're interested in providing a spanish translation of the docs or the FAQs, we can certainly arrange a side project for translations in CVS, and the necessary web space to publish them. If you're interested, we could discuss the howto in the cygwin-apps mailing list. Btw., the same goes for anybody who would like to provide translations in any other language, naturally. I would just like to ask that you make sure you mean that seriously and don't drop off right at the next stop. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages
Hello. I'm a Cygwin lists subscriber (with some problems from time to time to send mails but this is another story). The message about outdated FAQs of yesterday let me think in the general lack of translations of Unix-like-items documentation to spanish language. Exists something traslated under Cygwin to Spanish ? Some kind of team doing it ? In negative case I could dedicate some time to this project, including translations inside source code. -- Gracias | Regards Saludos - Greetings - Freundliche Grüße - Salutations -- Sergio Pedraja twitter: @sergio_pedraja skype: Sergio Pedraja - No crea todo lo que ve, ni crea que está viéndolo todo -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
