Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On 26 August 2010 20:24, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: On 8/26/2010 3:03 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: PS... I read in the archives the following quote... Rerun 'setup.exe' and pick Prev. There is no such option that I can find... Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. I'd recommend against using the Prev button. It gives you a rather random collection of old packages, where some are years older than the current one and others just a couple of weeks. There's no guarantee that those disparate versions will actually work together properly, in fact, it's very likely that things will break. It sure doesn't get tested. Going back to the previous version of a particular package is useful when there's a regression in the latest version, but doing the same across the whole distro, not so much. Cygwin 1.5 and setup-legacy.exe is the way to go if you want something old and unsupported that actually works. Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Am 26.08.2010 21:41, schrieb Blaine Miller: Again, I agree. I'm between a rock and a hard place here. I have to prove it's not the current version of Cygwin (also read *free*) and new hardware (read *costs them some money*). I have related to you and others at Cygwin user list both of my issues of cron possibly causing a system fault and can't kill the ssmtp dead.letter running over. Does it have to be ssmtp? How about Exim? Works for me without exploding dead.letter files. You can have cron logging to syslog-ng, and suppress cron's sending mail from the crontab, if that helps. -- Matthias Andree -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Matthias, Thanks very much for your time and assistance. I'll give your ideas a try! Thanks again... Blaine Matthias Andree wrote: Am 26.08.2010 21:41, schrieb Blaine Miller: Again, I agree. I'm between a rock and a hard place here. I have to prove it's not the current version of Cygwin (also read *free*) and new hardware (read *costs them some money*). I have related to you and others at Cygwin user list both of my issues of cron possibly causing a system fault and can't kill the ssmtp dead.letter running over. Does it have to be ssmtp? How about Exim? Works for me without exploding dead.letter files. You can have cron logging to syslog-ng, and suppress cron's sending mail from the crontab, if that helps. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Andy, Thanks very much for your thoughtful consideration. I do indeed see a *Prev* button... I understand about the risks of reverting back to a previous version, however, I may have no choice for political rather than technical reasons. Thanks again! Blaine Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 August 2010 20:24, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: On 8/26/2010 3:03 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: PS... I read in the archives the following quote... Rerun 'setup.exe' and pick Prev. There is no such option that I can find... Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. I'd recommend against using the Prev button. It gives you a rather random collection of old packages, where some are years older than the current one and others just a couple of weeks. There's no guarantee that those disparate versions will actually work together properly, in fact, it's very likely that things will break. It sure doesn't get tested. Going back to the previous version of a particular package is useful when there's a regression in the latest version, but doing the same across the whole distro, not so much. Cygwin 1.5 and setup-legacy.exe is the way to go if you want something old and unsupported that actually works. Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
RE: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:08:58 +0100 Subject: Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin? From: andy To: cygwin I'd recommend against using the Prev button. It gives you a rather random collection of old packages, where some are years older than the current one and others just a couple of weeks. There's no guarantee that those disparate versions will actually work together properly, in fact, it's very likely that things will break. It sure doesn't get tested. Going back to the previous version of a particular package is useful when there's a regression in the latest version, but doing the same across the whole distro, not so much. Cygwin 1.5 and setup-legacy.exe is the way to go if you want something old and unsupported that actually works. Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? I agree with eliminating it. ...Karl -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Karl M wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:08:58 +0100 Subject: Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin? From: andy To: cygwin I'd recommend against using the Prev button. It gives you a rather random collection of old packages, where some are years older than the current one and others just a couple of weeks. There's no guarantee that those disparate versions will actually work together properly, in fact, it's very likely that things will break. It sure doesn't get tested. Going back to the previous version of a particular package is useful when there's a regression in the latest version, but doing the same across the whole distro, not so much. Cygwin 1.5 and setup-legacy.exe is the way to go if you want something old and unsupported that actually works. Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? I agree with eliminating it. ...Karl -- Hello! I agree! - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Andy Koppe wrote: Greetings, Andy, On 26 August 2010 20:24, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: On 8/26/2010 3:03 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: PS... I read in the archives the following quote... Rerun 'setup.exe' and pick Prev. There is no such option that I can find... Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. I'd recommend against using the Prev button. It gives you a rather random collection of old packages, where some are years older than the current one and others just a couple of weeks. There's no guarantee that those disparate versions will actually work together properly, in fact, it's very likely that things will break. It sure doesn't get tested. Going back to the previous version of a particular package is useful when there's a regression in the latest version, but doing the same across the whole distro, not so much. Cygwin 1.5 and setup-legacy.exe is the way to go if you want something old and unsupported that actually works. Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? Yes, I, for one, would miss it. While it may give a random collection of old packages, for packages that are actively maintained it does give you the ability to revert to the previous version that is/was working when the current version either does not do what you want or, in some cases, breaks what you already had working. For that reason alone, the Prev has value. While I can hear the whispers of report it as a bug in cases of breakage, for those of us who use these tools on a daily bases (whether test or production (used loosely)), waiting for community support to fix it would likely take too long and thus not be viable. This is probably why people get a specific set of packages that work well for them and just stick with them for a while rather than upgrading. This is one of the main reasons I create the Cygwin Time Machine, btw. I have, on several occasions upgraded older cygwin installations to latest only to have them change in ways unanticipated/unwanted and then had to wipe and install the older, working, versions. But the older packages get purged from the mirrors pretty quickly and that is a problem when you need to install older versions. This is why the CTW exists. For people who are proactive and keep their installations up to date, the Prev button can be a life-saver in cases of breakage. So, please do keep the Prev button. Thanks! Andy -- Peter A. Castro doc...@fruitbat.org or peter.cas...@oracle.com Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On 8/27/2010 7:05 PM, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Andy Koppe wrote: Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? Yes, I, for one, would miss it. While it may give a random collection of old packages, for packages that are actively maintained it does give you the ability to revert to the previous version that is/was working when the current version either does not do what you want or, in some cases, breaks what you already had working. For that reason alone, the Prev has value. Peter, I think you're misinterpreting Andy's proposal. He's not talking about the ability to click on the 'spinner' icon, to cycle thru various versions of a specific package. He's talking about the 'Prev' radio button, which can have VERY unexpected results. It reverts EVERY package that you have installed to the prev version of that package -- not just a single package whose current version may be giving you temporary difficulties. -- Chuck -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Charles Wilson wrote: On 8/27/2010 7:05 PM, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Andy Koppe wrote: Question: would anyone miss the Prev button if it were to disappear? Yes, I, for one, would miss it. While it may give a random collection of old packages, for packages that are actively maintained it does give you the ability to revert to the previous version that is/was working when the current version either does not do what you want or, in some cases, breaks what you already had working. For that reason alone, the Prev has value. Peter, I think you're misinterpreting Andy's proposal. He's not talking about the ability to click on the 'spinner' icon, to cycle thru various versions of a specific package. He's talking about the 'Prev' radio button, which can have VERY unexpected results. HmmI had taken it to mean complete removal of all prev functionality, spinner and all. So, if that's not what was proposed, then I'd say: never mind (*sigh* that's what I get for not taking time to fully read every single email) It reverts EVERY package that you have installed to the prev version of that package -- not just a single package whose current version may be giving you temporary difficulties. Yes, I'm aware of that (and I have used exactly that functionality on occasion to interesting results, I'll admit), but was taking the wrong meaning of the proposal. My mistake. I suppose there's not a lot of sense in keeping Prev, then. I retract my objection. (I'll go back to mumbling in the corner now :) Thanks, Chuck! -- Chuck -- Peter A. Castro doc...@fruitbat.org or peter.cas...@oracle.com Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
I'm having cron and ssmtp issues with the new(er) version of Cygwin, 1.7.x.y. Barring getting these items straightened out, how do I revert to an older version? I've been installing from a network setup.exe. I don't believe this leaves a copy on a local system. My co-workers tell me there has to be a way to retrograde to an older version. Can anyone point me in the right direction? An older version of setup.exe perhaps? Thanks for your time and assistance... Blaine -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
I'm having cron and ssmtp issues with the new(er) version of Cygwin, 1.7.x.y. Barring getting these items straightened out, how do I revert to an older version? I've been installing from a network setup.exe. I don't believe this leaves a copy on a local system. My co-workers tell me there has to be a way to retrograde to an older version. Can anyone point me in the right direction? An older version of setup.exe perhaps? Thanks for your time and assistance... Blaine PS... I read in the archives the following quote... Rerun 'setup.exe' and pick Prev. There is no such option that I can find... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On 8/26/2010 2:41 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: I'm having cron and ssmtp issues with the new(er) version of Cygwin, 1.7.x.y. Barring getting these items straightened out, how do I revert to an older version? I've been installing from a network setup.exe. I don't believe this leaves a copy on a local system. My co-workers tell me there has to be a way to retrograde to an older version. Can anyone point me in the right direction? An older version of setup.exe perhaps? I'm not sure why you believe your problems are based in recent Cygwin versions but if you wanted to backtrack to 1.5.x, see this link: http://cygwin.com/#win-9x This an unsupported version of 1.5.x so if you go there, you're on your own. If your problems truly are the result of some recent change to Cygwin, your best bet is to investigate them, report the problems, and work to get them resolved, especially if something has regressed. Otherwise, you'll be stuck in the past forever without an upgrade path. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
On 8/26/2010 3:03 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: snip PS... I read in the archives the following quote... Rerun 'setup.exe' and pick Prev. There is no such option that I can find... Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. There is also honest to goodness actual documentation: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html#setup-packages -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Larry, I agree with you 100%. I'm getting heat from the folks above me to get Cygwin up and operational. We're using it to scp and rsync files from several linux boxes to a Cygwin-ed Windows 2003 box. Then we run Symantec Backup Exec for Windows to do tape backups of the resulting transferred files. Nothing I've said seem capable of convincing them that the problem is other than Cygwin. I keep pointing out we've replaced everything excpet the server hardware. Aside from downgrading and proving that the older version will have the same problems, I have no alternative at this time. Again, I believe that the new(er) version is the way to go. But I need to kill the cron issue and the ssmtp issue before I can demonstrate that the new version is not the problem and the hardware may be the real issue. Thanks for your continued support and assistance... Blaine Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: On 8/26/2010 2:41 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: I'm having cron and ssmtp issues with the new(er) version of Cygwin, 1.7.x.y. Barring getting these items straightened out, how do I revert to an older version? I've been installing from a network setup.exe. I don't believe this leaves a copy on a local system. My co-workers tell me there has to be a way to retrograde to an older version. Can anyone point me in the right direction? An older version of setup.exe perhaps? I'm not sure why you believe your problems are based in recent Cygwin versions but if you wanted to backtrack to 1.5.x, see this link: http://cygwin.com/#win-9x This an unsupported version of 1.5.x so if you go there, you're on your own. If your problems truly are the result of some recent change to Cygwin, your best bet is to investigate them, report the problems, and work to get them resolved, especially if something has regressed. Otherwise, you'll be stuck in the past forever without an upgrade path. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Thanks! I read the Doc, but must have missed the Cur and Prev mentions... I'll read more carefully next time... Thanks again... Blaine Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: On 8/26/2010 3:03 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: snip PS... I read in the archives the following quote... Rerun 'setup.exe' and pick Prev. There is no such option that I can find... Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. There is also honest to goodness actual documentation: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html#setup-packages -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Larry, Again, I agree. I'm between a rock and a hard place here. I have to prove it's not the current version of Cygwin (also read *free*) and new hardware (read *costs them some money*). I have related to you and others at Cygwin user list both of my issues of cron possibly causing a system fault and can't kill the ssmtp dead.letter running over. I will pass along that I'm on my own with the regression to the older version. Perhaps that'll wake them up... I dunno. I'm just in the middle. Thanks again for your support and assistance. Blaine Blaine Miller wrote: Larry, I agree with you 100%. I'm getting heat from the folks above me to get Cygwin up and operational. We're using it to scp and rsync files from several linux boxes to a Cygwin-ed Windows 2003 box. Then we run Symantec Backup Exec for Windows to do tape backups of the resulting transferred files. Nothing I've said seem capable of convincing them that the problem is other than Cygwin. I keep pointing out we've replaced everything excpet the server hardware. Aside from downgrading and proving that the older version will have the same problems, I have no alternative at this time. Again, I believe that the new(er) version is the way to go. But I need to kill the cron issue and the ssmtp issue before I can demonstrate that the new version is not the problem and the hardware may be the real issue. Thanks for your continued support and assistance... Blaine Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: On 8/26/2010 2:41 PM, Blaine Miller wrote: I'm having cron and ssmtp issues with the new(er) version of Cygwin, 1.7.x.y. Barring getting these items straightened out, how do I revert to an older version? I've been installing from a network setup.exe. I don't believe this leaves a copy on a local system. My co-workers tell me there has to be a way to retrograde to an older version. Can anyone point me in the right direction? An older version of setup.exe perhaps? I'm not sure why you believe your problems are based in recent Cygwin versions but if you wanted to backtrack to 1.5.x, see this link: http://cygwin.com/#win-9x This an unsupported version of 1.5.x so if you go there, you're on your own. If your problems truly are the result of some recent change to Cygwin, your best bet is to investigate them, report the problems, and work to get them resolved, especially if something has regressed. Otherwise, you'll be stuck in the past forever without an upgrade path. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
RE: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Larry Hall (Cygwin) sent the following at Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:24 PM Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. There is also honest to goodness actual documentation: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html#setup-packages Also, Prev gives you the previous version of everything. If you want the previous version of just a few packages, click on the version number in the chooser. There's also a cygwin time machine. Check the archives. - Barry Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.
Re: How/Where do I get an older version of Cygwin?
Thanks Barry, Got it! Appreciate your time and assistance very much... Blaine Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: Larry Hall (Cygwin) sent the following at Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:24 PM Look at the page where you select packages, just above the list of packages and to the right, next to the Category button. Cur is the default selected radio button. Prev is one of the other options. There is also honest to goodness actual documentation: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html#setup-packages Also, Prev gives you the previous version of everything. If you want the previous version of just a few packages, click on the version number in the chooser. There's also a cygwin time machine. Check the archives. - Barry Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
