Re: Mailing list confusion
Arend-Jan Westhoff wrote: How come when I look at http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/index.html: I see the message: March 24, 2005 07:32 Re: Path confusion Brian Dessent That message lists: 07:17 Path confusion Luke Kendall As its reference, but Luke's message has no Follow Up to Brian's? Also when I look at the thread index: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/threads.html Luke's message is listed but Brian's is not. I think you caught the ML archives page at a point at which it was re-indexing. Both URLs above display both messages with the correct threading for me. An even stronger example: March 24: 06:15 Re: installing identical cygwin configurations on multiple systems fergus and March 23: 19:56 installing identical cygwin configurations on multiple systems Greg Vaidman Have neither a Reference nor a Follow Up to the other (though the thread index looks normal?). The reply email did not contain a References: or In-reply-to: header, so the archives did not know it was a reply. Proper email readers and archive software depend on one or both of those headers to preserve threads. Some brain dead email programs (cough Outlook cough) instead just go by subject, and are too ignorant to add the headers that preserve the threading. That means that messages created in those programs break threading in the archives, and those programs cannot cope with threads where the subject is changed mid-thread. Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Mailing list confusion
At Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:06:30 -0800 Brian Dessent wrote: Arend-Jan Westhoff wrote: How come when I look at http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/index.html: I see the message: March 24, 2005 07:32 Re: Path confusion Brian Dessent That message lists: 07:17 Path confusion Luke Kendall As its reference, but Luke's message has no Follow Up to Brian's? Also when I look at the thread index: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/threads.html Luke's message is listed but Brian's is not. I think you caught the ML archives page at a point at which it was re-indexing. Both URLs above display both messages with the correct threading for me. An even stronger example: March 24: 06:15 Re: installing identical cygwin configurations on multiple systems fergus and March 23: 19:56 installing identical cygwin configurations on multiple systems Greg Vaidman Have neither a Reference nor a Follow Up to the other (though the thread index looks normal?). The reply email did not contain a References: or In-reply-to: header, so the archives did not know it was a reply. Proper email readers and archive software depend on one or both of those headers to preserve threads. Some brain dead email programs (cough Outlook cough) instead just go by subject, and are too ignorant to add the headers that preserve the threading. That means that messages created in those programs break threading in the archives, and those programs cannot cope with threads where the subject is changed mid-thread. Brian Thanks Brian, for the clarification. Does this imply that if one is e.g. on the digest version of the mailinglist (as I am, and would like to stay that way), that this confusion will be inevitable when one replies to a message or is there a work around? (Actually I'm in fact responding to your reply from the archive since the digest version with your reply has not yet arrived.) Would it not be convenient if the archive and mailinglist present a line one could copy and paste as the first line of a reply so that threading info would be correctly preserved? (Should make it independent of any rogue e-mail clients as well.) (Btw http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/ is apparently a different -- may be more proper(?) -- name to refer to the location of the Cygwin archive (currently at IP 12.107.209.250).) Arend-Jan Westhoff. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Mailing list confusion
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Arend-Jan Westhoff wrote:
Thanks Brian, for the clarification. Does this imply that if one is e.g.
on the digest version of the mailinglist (as I am, and would like to
stay that way), that this confusion will be inevitable when one replies
to a message or is there a work around?
The digest messages usually contain the Message-ID: header, and most
mailers would thread the replies properly... Occasionally the Message-ID:
header is not recognized (don't know why), and thus doesn't get into the
digest.
(Actually I'm in fact responding to your reply from the archive since
the digest version with your reply has not yet arrived.) Would it not be
convenient if the archive and mailinglist present a line one could copy
and paste as the first line of a reply so that threading info would be
correctly preserved?
They do. Look at the Raw text link in the web archives -- that gives
you the complete mbox-formatted text of the message, headers and all.
Just save it where your mailer can get to it (as long as your mailer
understands the mbox format, like mine does), and it should work. You
will need to do a bit of pre-processing on the text, as the headers are
somewhat obfuscated (to deter spammers). Here's the script I use:
sed -e '1,/^$/{/^Subject:/I!{s/\r$//
s/ dot /./g
s/ at /@/g
s/^Path.*!not-for-mail$/From [EMAIL PROTECTED] '`date -u +%a %b %d %T
%Y`'/}}'
That last one is there because I also occasionally use Gmane's raw
article mode to get at the text of the article (for those cases when the
web archives cannot find the raw text).
I reply to most messages through the archives, and threading is correctly
preserved in all cases where the Message-ID: is present.
(Should make it independent of any rogue e-mail clients as well.)
No, since it's the e-mail client that adds the References: or In-Reply-To:
headers. If your client doesn't do this, there will be no threading...
(Btw http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/ is apparently a different -- may
be more proper(?) -- name to refer to the location of the Cygwin archive
(currently at IP 12.107.209.250).)
The usual way I use is http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin -- that's the
shortest non-obfuscated link I'm aware of.
HTH,
Igor
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Re: Mailing list confusion
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 11:26:49AM +0100, Arend-Jan Westhoff wrote: Would it not be convenient if the archive and mailinglist present a line one could copy and paste as the first line of a reply so that threading info would be correctly preserved? (Should make it independent of any rogue e-mail clients as well.) I doubt that anyone is going to volunteer to modify the mailing list software. (Btw http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/ is apparently a different -- may be more proper(?) -- name to refer to the location of the Cygwin archive (currently at IP 12.107.209.250).) sourceware.org == gcc.gnu.org == cygwin.com . http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/ is the least amount of typing. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Mailing list confusion
Original Message From: Arend-Jan Westhoff Sent: 24 March 2005 10:27 (Btw http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/ is apparently a different -- may be more proper(?) -- name to refer to the location of the Cygwin archive (currently at IP 12.107.209.250).) sourceware.org == cygwin.com == sources.redhat.com == gcc.gnu.org; these names are all DNS aliases for each other. However, it is *not* 'more proper' to use sourceware.org to refer to the cygwin site. You should use the name for the site you actually want to see. Compare http://cygwin.com/ and http://sourceware.org/ and you'll see that they're very different. Although the names all resolve to the same IP address, the webserver on that machine looks at the name in the URL[*] to decide which front page to display. Various other pages are served from different sources according to what FQDN you use for the machine - e.g. if you go to http://cygwin.com/lists.html you get a different page from http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html. If you go to http://cygwin.com/ml, you get the same list of mailing lists as at http://sourceware.org/ml, but if you go to http://gcc.gnu.org/ml, you get redirected to http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html. cheers, DaveK [*] http-pedants can argue over whether it's looking at the name in the url or the name in the Host: header; I'll just observe that the host header is generated by the browser cracking the URL anyway. -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Mailing list confusion
How come when I look at http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/index.html: I see the message: March 24, 2005 07:32 Re: Path confusion Brian Dessent That message lists: 07:17 Path confusion Luke Kendall As its reference, but Luke's message has no Follow Up to Brian's? Also when I look at the thread index: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2005-03/threads.html Luke's message is listed but Brian's is not. An even stronger example: March 24: 06:15 Re: installing identical cygwin configurations on multiple systems fergus and March 23: 19:56 installing identical cygwin configurations on multiple systems Greg Vaidman Have neither a Reference nor a Follow Up to the other (though the thread index looks normal?). Looks to me like there's something broken. Arend-Jan Westhoff. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
