Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Hallelujah, a resizable setup program. What a relief. Now if only it would recognize my mouse wheel... It depends on windows to send the appropriate messages. What OS and what mouse are you using? Win2K SP4, with a Logitech generic mouse. Other apps recognize my mouse wheel, so I don't think it's a Windows message problem. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 13:40, utomo wrote: Hi, I just try the snapshot and it is nice. I have some comments: 1. Maybe we need to make initial size little bit bigger, I believe mostly people need to resize it, so if we make it little bit bigger, user will find it easier/less resize it. 2. I did not find way to change the view from details view to back to folders view. Just keep clicking on the button in the top right. Cheers, Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 01:44, Andrew Schulman wrote: http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Hallelujah, a resizable setup program. What a relief. Now if only it would recognize my mouse wheel... It depends on windows to send the appropriate messages. What OS and what mouse are you using? Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
utomo wrote: And also better if the setup can download simultaneusly, or preparing for the next file. Now if we look at the download process, the connecting time (for each file) is consuming time. If the download process can reduce this, I believe the download will be much faster. A much more useful addition I believe would be for cygwin to be able to download patches to previously downloaded packages (in the basic case when you've kept the .tar.bz2 files it downloaded, which it does by default). I have actually been doing this for a few friends for a while now via a simple bash script which makes patch files and puts them on an FTP from which friends on 56k can download them and apply them using another script. If you pop these into the downloaded packages directory cygwin setup will (as expected) recognise the packages are already downloaded and install them without re-downloading them. I think that his would be a useful feature to have more offically (my script is hacky and breaks every so often, and I'm not telling everyone my FTP's address), but after a few days digging through setup.exe I got hopelessly lost (but that could say more about my programming than setup.exe) If anyone has the programming experience I'd be happy to help (particuarily I have a reimplementation of bsdiff hanging around somewhere, which seems to be the best binary diffing program around, but is under some strange anti-GPL licence. At some point I'll get around to cleaning it up). Actually, I'm sorry for a) blabbling and b) asking legal questions, but this is related to a package I'd like to submit to cygwin. Imagine the following situation: 1) I download source to bsdiff, read code and documentation 2) I describe the basic algorithm to a friend and point him to papers online which describe how to do various mathematical transformations. 3) Friend write bsdiff clone which is not file compatable but does the same kind of thing. now. a) Can my friend release this under the GPL? (and therefore try to get it included in cygwin b) As I read the original program, am I now irreparably tainted and cannot work on fixing / extending the code? Chris Regards, Utomo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of utomo Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ? Hi, I just try the snapshot and it is nice. I have some comments: 1. Maybe we need to make initial size little bit bigger, I believe mostly people need to resize it, so if we make it little bit bigger, user will find it easier/less resize it. 2. I did not find way to change the view from details view to back to folders view. With this options it will make cygwin more confortable Just my2c. Thanks. Regards, Utomo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Schulman Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ? http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Hallelujah, a resizable setup program. What a relief. Now if only it would recognize my mouse wheel... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
Hi, He seems to be a kind person. I want to ask regarding Cygwin setup window size. No utomo, don't that that question please. Please, ask any other question but that. Of course, you put this sentence here just to introduce some other issue, for sure you're NOT asking that question. Why it cannot switch to maximize, so we can see things more easily without need to scroll ? NOO!! YOU DID IT!!! You asked THAT question. I suggest we can have the maximize button enabled in cygwin setup window. If not how about make it bigger so we did not need to scroll when viewing. At this point I just can only pray for your soul... Thanks. Regards, Utomo -- -- Danilo Turina Alcatel Optics OND Network Management Rieti (Italy) - Phone: +39 0746 600332 -- 3 anni 7 giorni 3 ore 6 minuti 7 secondi -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
If you search the archives of this mailing list for resizeable you will find several long threads on this topic. The jist seems to be that this feature is not yet implemented because it's bloody hard (not trivial, as high-falutin' people say). There's also a lot of discussion regarding meanness. Ed. Hi, I want to ask regarding Cygwin setup window size. Why it cannot switch to maximize, so we can see things more easily without need to scroll ? I suggest we can have the maximize button enabled in cygwin setup window. If not how about make it bigger so we did not need to scroll when viewing. Thanks. Regards, Utomo __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
Ed, You've missed the main messages in most of those threads, which send you to the Setup snapshots page (http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/). The bloody hard feature has already been implemented. And before you ask why the resizable version of setup hasn't been released officially yet, do review the meanness discussions. :-) Igor P.S. (To the OP) FWIW, just enabling the maximize button would have been worthless, as the chooser is a custom widget, so explicit resizing code had to be written for it. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Edward Deitz wrote: If you search the archives of this mailing list for resizeable you will find several long threads on this topic. The jist seems to be that this feature is not yet implemented because it's bloody hard (not trivial, as high-falutin' people say). There's also a lot of discussion regarding meanness. Ed. Hi, I want to ask regarding Cygwin setup window size. Why it cannot switch to maximize, so we can see things more easily without need to scroll ? I suggest we can have the maximize button enabled in cygwin setup window. If not how about make it bigger so we did not need to scroll when viewing. Thanks. Regards, Utomo -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
-Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Igor Pechtchanski Sent: 16 April 2004 15:53 Ed, You've missed the main messages in most of those threads, which send you to the Setup snapshots page (http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/). The bloody hard feature has already been implemented. And before you ask why the resizable version of setup hasn't been released officially yet, do review the meanness discussions. :-) Igor I've had a play with that myself, and I think the real reason it hasn't been released so far is because it's not-yet-ready-for-primetime. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
Sent: 16 April 2004 16:11 From: Dave Korn You've missed the main messages in most of those threads, which send you to the Setup snapshots page (http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/). The bloody hard feature has already been implemented. And before you ask why the resizable version of setup hasn't been released officially yet, do review the meanness discussions. :-) Igor I've had a play with that myself, and I think the real reason it hasn't been released so far is because it's not-yet-ready-for-primetime. Why not? I've been testing it and haven't found any problems (W2K sp4). I don't recall anyone asking for positive feedback, so I haven't mentioned it before. Bill -- This e-mail transmission is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please reply to the sender as soon as possible and delete the message. Please note that we are able to, and reserve the right to, monitor e-mail communications passing through our network. The views expressed in this email are not that of the company unless specified within the message. The inclusion of this footnote indicates that the mail message and any attachments have been checked for the presence of known viruses. If you have any comments regarding our policy please direct them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 04:10:55PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: I've had a play with that myself, and I think the real reason it hasn't been released so far is because it's not-yet-ready-for-primetime. Can you elaborate? Is the implementation so bad that it would cause more confusion that having a tiny setup screen seems to engender? I've been advocating just releasing the current snapshot as is, although it would also be nice to fix the pcre0 dependency problem. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:17:40 +0100, wrote: Setup is not the only gui which doesnt have resizing. I guess it's down to some some generally Gui Widget. My other moan (not to do with Cygwin) are Guis that don't let you highlight copy zzapper (vim, cygwin, wiki zsh) -- vim -c :%s/^/WhfgTNabgureRIvzSUnpxre/|:%s/[R-T]/ /Ig|:normal ggVGg? http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=305 Best of Vim Tips -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Hallelujah, a resizable setup program. What a relief. Now if only it would recognize my mouse wheel... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
-Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor Sent: 16 April 2004 16:24 On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 04:10:55PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: I've had a play with that myself, and I think the real reason it hasn't been released so far is because it's not-yet-ready-for-primetime. Can you elaborate? Is the implementation so bad that it would cause more confusion that having a tiny setup screen seems to engender? Nothing showstopping, just niggles: - There is no resizing of the left-hand margin, and no rewrapping of the text or repositioning of items within the main client area of the dialog on any page except the Select Packages... page. Everything just stays with the positioning it has when the window opens at its default initial size. - There should be minimum size restrictions to prevent gadgets being shoved out of the visible area or half-drawn and half-undrawn when reducing the window's size from the default. - Resizing the column headers at the top of the package display widget is buggy; at any rate, I've found some in the Package column header, possibly because it's the last column header at the right-hand side. It's easy to end up with headers that don't fill the width of the widget, to get text displays under the header that exceed the apparent width of the header, and to get useless dead whitespace at the right hand side of the chooser that you can't get rid of by expanding the package column header because the dead space resizes in proportion. Furthermore there's some bad interaction with the scroll bar, which doesn't resize or reproportion itself when the effective width of the chooser is increased or decreased; and both interact badly with changing the main window size. I've just managed to get it into a state where the content of the chooser is scrolled partially off to the left of the screen (you can't see the Category column any more) but no scroll bar has appeared, not even after resizing the window a few times, so I don't know how I'm going to get it back. The interactions between window size, column headers and scrollbars don't work properly at all. I've been advocating just releasing the current snapshot as is, It's a judgement call, so AFAICS it's largely just a matter of taste. A buggy GUI is not the end of the world and if a user gets it into an unworkable state all they need do is cancel and start again. OTOH it looks kind of flaky for a release. It's about image and presentation and neat-and-tidy-ness. I suppose there's no reason not to release it and list the gui problems as known bugs, PTC. I've just been doing some MFC coding for the first time, I'll take a look at fixing some bugs when[*] I get some spare time. although it would also be nice to fix the pcre0 dependency problem. cgf Can't speak to the dependency problem, as I haven't run up against it, but I remember seeing a lot of posts on the list from people who've not had libpcre0 properly installed until they re-run setup a second time; do you mean that it's a bug in setup's algorithm that it doesn't properly calculate the dependency of various packages that use it on the library, rather than some issue to do with the packaging/setup hint files? cheers, DaveK [*] If! -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
-Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Dave Korn Sent: 16 April 2004 17:46 at any rate, I've found some in the Package column header s/me// cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 05:45:33PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: cgf writes: I've been advocating just releasing the current snapshot as is, It's a judgement call, so AFAICS it's largely just a matter of taste. A buggy GUI is not the end of the world and if a user gets it into an unworkable state all they need do is cancel and start again. But now we have a buggy GUI which is guaranteed to be in an unworkable state. The current implementation is pretty user-unfriendly. It boils down to a lesser of two evils. OTOH it looks kind of flaky for a release. It's about image and presentation and neat-and-tidy-ness. I suppose there's no reason not to release it and list the gui problems as known bugs, PTC. I've just been doing some MFC coding for the first time, I'll take a look at fixing some bugs when[*] I get some spare time. Help would be appreciated but setup doesn't use MFC. although it would also be nice to fix the pcre0 dependency problem. Can't speak to the dependency problem, as I haven't run up against it, but I remember seeing a lot of posts on the list from people who've not had libpcre0 properly installed until they re-run setup a second time; do you mean that it's a bug in setup's algorithm that it doesn't properly calculate the dependency of various packages that use it on the library, rather than some issue to do with the packaging/setup hint files? It's a setup algorithm problem. I can't think of any way to write a setup.hint file such that dependencies don't show up in the first setup run but do show up in the second run. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Dave Korn wrote: -Original Message- From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor Sent: 16 April 2004 16:24 On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 04:10:55PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: I've had a play with that myself, and I think the real reason it hasn't been released so far is because it's not-yet-ready-for-primetime. Can you elaborate? Is the implementation so bad that it would cause more confusion that having a tiny setup screen seems to engender? Nothing showstopping, just niggles: - There is no resizing of the left-hand margin, and no rewrapping of the text or repositioning of items within the main client area of the dialog on any page except the Select Packages... page. Everything just stays with the positioning it has when the window opens at its default initial size. That's a question of specifying proper resizing controls for these screens. - There should be minimum size restrictions to prevent gadgets being shoved out of the visible area or half-drawn and half-undrawn when reducing the window's size from the default. This is likely a deficiency in the mechanism, but one that can be fixed without too much pain. - Resizing the column headers at the top of the package display widget is buggy; at any rate, I've found some in the Package column header, possibly because it's the last column header at the right-hand side. It's easy to end up with headers that don't fill the width of the widget, to get text displays under the header that exceed the apparent width of the header, and to get useless dead whitespace at the right hand side of the chooser that you can't get rid of by expanding the package column header because the dead space resizes in proportion. Furthermore there's some bad interaction with the scroll bar, which doesn't resize or reproportion itself when the effective width of the chooser is increased or decreased; and both interact badly with changing the main window size. I've just managed to get it into a state where the content of the chooser is scrolled partially off to the left of the screen (you can't see the Category column any more) but no scroll bar has appeared, not even after resizing the window a few times, so I don't know how I'm going to get it back. The interactions between window size, column headers and scrollbars don't work properly at all. FWIW, I've tried to fix some of this, but had little luck. I've been advocating just releasing the current snapshot as is, It's a judgement call, so AFAICS it's largely just a matter of taste. A buggy GUI is not the end of the world and if a user gets it into an unworkable state all they need do is cancel and start again. OTOH it looks kind of flaky for a release. It's about image and presentation and neat-and-tidy-ness. I suppose there's no reason not to release it and list the gui problems as known bugs, PTC. IMO, the snapshot can be no worse than the current version, in that if the resizing is not used, the snapshot will behave identically to the current official version (at least as far as the GUI is concerned -- there were some logic bug fixes there too). I've just been doing some MFC coding for the first time, I'll take a look at fixing some bugs when[*] I get some spare time. AFAIK, setup doesn't use MFC. although it would also be nice to fix the pcre0 dependency problem. cgf Can't speak to the dependency problem, as I haven't run up against it, but I remember seeing a lot of posts on the list from people who've not had libpcre0 properly installed until they re-run setup a second time; do you mean that it's a bug in setup's algorithm that it doesn't properly calculate the dependency of various packages that use it on the library, rather than some issue to do with the packaging/setup hint files? cheers, DaveK [*] If! A bit of debugging (with judicious printfs) will go a long way here. All you need is setup built from source with debugging, and a blank system on which to install. I suspect a dual-boot/VMWare system, where you can wipe one installation clean of Cygwin and reinstall from scratch, would be ideal. Anyone have the above, the skills, the time, and the inclination? ;-) Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Andrew Schulman wrote: http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Hallelujah, a resizable setup program. What a relief. Now if only it would recognize my mouse wheel... ...or keyboard -- same principles. PTC. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ?
Hi, I just try the snapshot and it is nice. I have some comments: 1. Maybe we need to make initial size little bit bigger, I believe mostly people need to resize it, so if we make it little bit bigger, user will find it easier/less resize it. 2. I did not find way to change the view from details view to back to folders view. With this options it will make cygwin more confortable Just my2c. Thanks. Regards, Utomo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Schulman Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin setup window size, why no maximize button enabled ? http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Hallelujah, a resizable setup program. What a relief. Now if only it would recognize my mouse wheel... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
