Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Carlo Florendo]

> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
> >On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:52:36AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Not only that, but this appears to go even further.  By essentially
> >>"compiling" all these GNU utilities into one executable, there's a
> >>violation of the GPL to the extent that the code used to do that does
> >>not appear to be "Open Source".  Double Whammy here.
> >>
> >>And by the way - I AM a lawyer.  (Member of the Michigan Bar
> >>Association in Good Standing).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I noticed that but i was wondering if these were actually cygwin tools.
> >Has anyone verified that?

They're *the* cygwin tools.  I downloaded last week and it link to the source does not 
appear anywhere (except reference to the
cygwin web site which I don't seem to find today.)   There's no acknowledgement from 
cygwin whatsoever.

Hmmm...a really flagrant violation of the GPL.

Best Regards,

Carlo
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Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Peter S Tillier]

Al Slater wrote:
> I downloaded the tools and ran them. I typed uname -a and received an
> error message about a missing export in Cygwin1.dll, so the answer is
> yes.
>
> Al
>

Likewise.  And what is worse, when you exit the thinstall it leaves a
number of 4K size executables in your TEMP (in my case C:\Windows\temp)
directory that it doesn't clean up.  I had 4 of these.

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Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Steve Coleman]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:52:36AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Not only that, but this appears to go even further.  By essentially
"compiling" all these GNU utilities into one executable, there's a
violation of the GPL to the extent that the code used to do that does
not appear to be "Open Source".  Double Whammy here.
And by the way - I AM a lawyer.  (Member of the Michigan Bar
Association in Good Standing).
   

I noticed that but i was wondering if these were actually cygwin tools.
Has anyone verified that?
 

In the support pages they show some registry entries that should be set, 
and they clearly show "Cygnus solutions\Cygwin" when talking about 
integrating "your application" into thinstall. Then again the compiler 
is part of their thinstall environment so I would assume that the "your 
application" was generated by their product.

Thinstall Studio Help - see page 60 for registry entries
http://thinstall.com/downloads/thinstall_help.pdf
Also from another site:
http://www.infolets.com/1042152373/
"To demonstrate the power of Thinstall the company has produced Unix 
Tools , a collection of 18 of the most 
useful Cygwin tools packaged into a single 1.1MB (floppy sized) EXE file 
that runs without any installation process."

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Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Brian . Kelly]

OUTPUT FROM COMMAND: bash -v

__

bash.exe: warning: could not find /tmp, please create!
You are now running bash.exe from the Cygwin package
This message is being presented by adding a virtual .bashrc file
and having Thinstall automatically set the HOME directory
before running this EXE. No changes have been made to bash
or any other program in this package.

Every program you execute from this command line will be
loaded by Thinstall.  To see which utilies have been packaged
into one EXE execute the command :

ls -las *.exe

Each file listed will show the original uncompressed size
All files will appear to be in the directory where you
Originally ran this program from which was:
/cygdrive/d/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop

If you have questions about what Thinstall can do for you
contact Jonathan Clark at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

bash-2.05b$ bash -v
bash.exe: warning: could not find /tmp, please create!
cd "$HOME";
echo "You are now running bash.exe from the Cygwin package"
You are now running bash.exe from the Cygwin package
echo "This message is being presented by adding a virtual .bashrc file"
This message is being presented by adding a virtual .bashrc file
echo "and having Thinstall automatically set the HOME directory"
and having Thinstall automatically set the HOME directory
echo "before running this EXE. No changes have been made to bash"
before running this EXE. No changes have been made to bash
echo "or any other program in this package."
or any other program in this package.
echo

echo "Every program you execute from this command line will be"
Every program you execute from this command line will be
echo "loaded by Thinstall.  To see which utilies have been packaged"
loaded by Thinstall.  To see which utilies have been packaged
echo "into one EXE execute the command :"
into one EXE execute the command :
echo

echo "ls -las *.exe"
ls -las *.exe
echo

echo "Each file listed will show the original uncompressed size"
Each file listed will show the original uncompressed size
echo "All files will appear to be in the directory where you"
All files will appear to be in the directory where you
echo "Originally ran this program from which was:"
Originally ran this program from which was:
echo $HOME
/cygdrive/d/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop
echo

echo "If you have questions about what Thinstall can do for you"
If you have questions about what Thinstall can do for you
echo "contact Jonathan Clark at [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
contact Jonathan Clark at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
echo

bash-2.05b$

_

AND NOW OUTPUT FROMbash  --version

_

bash-2.05b$ bash --version
bash --version
bash.exe: warning: could not find /tmp, please create!
GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(2)-release (i686-pc-cygwin)
Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
bash-2.05b$

_


SEEMS LIKE AN OPEN AND SHUT CASE TO ME!

Brian Kelly






"Christopher Faylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@cygwin.com on 07/28/2003 09:19:44
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:52:36AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Not only that, but this appears to go even further.  By essentially
>"compiling" all these GNU utilities into one executable, there's a
>violation of the GPL to the extent that the code used to do that does
>not appear to be "Open Source".  Double Whammy here.
>
>And by the way - I AM a lawyer.  (Member of the Michigan Bar
>Association in Good Standing).

I noticed that but i was wondering if these were actually cygwin tools.
Has anyone verified that?

cgf

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RE: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Al Slater]

I downloaded the tools and ran them. I typed uname -a and received an
error message about a missing export in Cygwin1.dll, so the answer is
yes.

Al

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> 
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:52:36AM -0400, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Not only that, but this appears to go even further.  By essentially 
> >"compiling" all these GNU utilities into one executable, there's a 
> >violation of the GPL to the extent that the code used to do 
> that does 
> >not appear to be "Open Source".  Double Whammy here.
> >
> >And by the way - I AM a lawyer.  (Member of the Michigan Bar 
> >Association in Good Standing).
> 
> I noticed that but i was wondering if these were actually 
> cygwin tools. Has anyone verified that?
> 
> cgf
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Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Robert Collins]

On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 23:19, Christopher Faylor wrote:


> I noticed that but i was wondering if these were actually cygwin tools.
> Has anyone verified that?

No, but:
"You are now running bash.exe from the cygwin package."

That plus more descriptive text is in the screenshots on the unix_tools
page.

Even if they /aren't/, they are claiming to be...

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Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:52:36AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Not only that, but this appears to go even further.  By essentially
>"compiling" all these GNU utilities into one executable, there's a
>violation of the GPL to the extent that the code used to do that does
>not appear to be "Open Source".  Double Whammy here.
>
>And by the way - I AM a lawyer.  (Member of the Michigan Bar
>Association in Good Standing).

I noticed that but i was wondering if these were actually cygwin tools.
Has anyone verified that?

cgf

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Re: GPL alert ? http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/

[Brian . Kelly]

Not only that, but this appears to go even further. By essentially
"compiling" all these GNU utilities into
one executable, there's a violation of the GPL to the extent that the code
used to do that does not
appear to be "Open Source". Double Whammy here.

And by the way - I AM a lawyer. (Member of the Michigan Bar Association in
Good Standing).

Brian Kelly






"Robert Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@cygwin.com on 07/28/2003 07:26:26
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http://thinstall.com/unix_tools/ seems to have cygwin binaries w/out
source.

Rob

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