RE: Searching full, portable Cygwin package for windows and NOT just the installer

2018-02-05 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
David Allsopp sent the following at Saturday, February 03, 2018 3:16 AM
>The setup program includes a "Download" option which allows you to
>save the entire package repository locally, which you can use in
>future.

To be explicit:  You can download as David points out, scan the
downloaded packages with your AV, and then install.

- Barry
  Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.


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Re: Searching full, portable Cygwin package for windows and NOT just the installer

2018-02-04 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Ben!

> When I go to web page

> http://cygwin.com/

> then I can download CygWin from there (currently the file "setup-x86_64.exe").

> Unfortunately this file is just an installer which retrieves in turn
> several other files from Internet and remote servers.

> Since I have no overview what is downloaded from which server I distrust such 
> installers in general.

> I prefer full packages which contains everything needed and can be
> inspected in advance (e.g. by virus scanners) before
> actual installation.

> 99,9% of all software is offered in such a way.

Cygwin per se is a single DLL (cygwin1.dll), not a "software" in a
way you perceive it.

> Why use Cygwin such a fishy distribution way?

Normal distribution way. 99.9% operating systems are distributed the same way.

> Is there really no full package to download?

Define "full package"? How "full"? "Package" of what?


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Andrey Repin
Sunday, February 4, 2018 23:54:12

Sorry for my terrible english...


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RE: Searching full, portable Cygwin package for windows and NOT just the installer

2018-02-03 Thread David Allsopp
Ben via cygwin wrote:
> When I go to web page
> 
> http://cygwin.com/
> 
> then I can download CygWin from there (currently the file "setup-
> x86_64.exe").
> 
> Unfortunately this file is just an installer which retrieves in turn
> several other files from Internet and remote servers.
> 
> Since I have no overview what is downloaded from which server I distrust
> such installers in general.

I assume that each month you review the Microsoft Security Advisories, visit 
and digest the page for each individual update and then download and apply the 
.msu patches by hand, rather than trusting the highly fishy "Check for updates" 
feature of Windows Update?

You do have an overview: you get to pick the mirror, and the URL it will 
download files from is declared there. For example, my closest mirror is 
http://mirrorservice.org/sites/sourceware.org/pub/cygwin/ which you can browse 
online.

> I prefer full packages which contains everything needed and can be
> inspected in advance (e.g. by virus scanners) before actual installation.

The Cygwin installer downloads and saves the files - even a dumb 
filesystem-only virus scanner gets a chance to inspect the files. 

> 99,9% of all software is offered in such a way.

That number is plucked out of your mind, and simply isn't true, even on Windows 
(there's the Microsoft Store and even third party packagers such as 
https://chocolatey.org/). Microsoft's own products on Windows are now 
distributed this way too (e.g. the Visual Studio Installer and the Office 365 
installer).

> Why use Cygwin such a fishy distribution way?

Well, it's not fishy.

Cygwin is not an application, as another answer to your previous question 
pointed out, Cygwin is a library providing a Posix layer for applications on 
Windows. The setup program is an application for installing that library and 
then adding packages of programs which use it from a curated collection, but 
you can point the installer to your own collection if you wish.

> Is there really no full package to download?

The setup program includes a "Download" option which allows you to save the 
entire package repository locally, which you can use in future. Some of the 
mirrors (including the one I referenced above) also support rsync, which allows 
you to download the package repository and the installer from the website 
without running any Cygwin software initially.

Packages are updated quite frequently, and the entire repository is 10s of 
gigabytes - it would be impractical to offer a single file for download being 
updated so frequently.


David 


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