RE: scripting and cygwin

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> From: Phil Betts
[]
> 
> You're comparing chalk & cheese and complaining that your 
> mouth's full of grit.

 Oh man, that's goin' in the act! ;-)

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[yitzle]

1) Why does the Reply-To have cygwin 3 times?
2) Is there a program for people addicted to the next?

On 6/1/07, Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 10:15:16AM -0700, Peter A. Castro wrote:
>...Did I just hi-jack this thread?  Oops!  Sorry!

Face it.  You're a thread hijacker.  You need to get into a program.
Now!  Before it gets any worse.

cgf


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 10:15:16AM -0700, Peter A. Castro wrote:
>...Did I just hi-jack this thread?  Oops!  Sorry!

Face it.  You're a thread hijacker.  You need to get into a program.
Now!  Before it gets any worse.

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Peter A. Castro]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Christopher Faylor wrote:


On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 08:42:54AM -0700, Stepp, Charles wrote:

Why would you bother with the Windoze machine if you have OS X/FreeBSD
available?

Cygwin provides my X, Expect, bash, etc. on my corporate mandated
Windoze laptop. Otherwise...


Yes, that's the $65536 question.  If you can use a real UNIX why would you
try an emulation running on top of Windows?  And, then complain about the
emulation when it doesn't run as fast as the real thing?


Oh!  Oh!  Pick Me!  Pick Me!
Ummit's because of  uhh... I got nothing... :)

No, wait!
Maybe it's because he has a development environment that runs on several
Unix environments and needs to have that same environment run on Windows
in order to build his product without having to re-write tons of scripts
and makefiles?  Oh, wait, that's just me...

...Did I just hi-jack this thread?  Oops!  Sorry!


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 08:42:54AM -0700, Stepp, Charles wrote:
>Why would you bother with the Windoze machine if you have OS X/FreeBSD
>available?
>
>Cygwin provides my X, Expect, bash, etc. on my corporate mandated
>Windoze laptop. Otherwise...

Yes, that's the $65536 question.  If you can use a real UNIX why would you
try an emulation running on top of Windows?  And, then complain about the
emulation when it doesn't run as fast as the real thing?

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RE: scripting and cygwin

[Stepp, Charles]

Why would you bother with the Windoze machine if you have OS X/FreeBSD
available?

Cygwin provides my X, Expect, bash, etc. on my corporate mandated
Windoze laptop. Otherwise...

Charles Stepp
Oracle DBA


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Mirko Vukovic]

Phil Betts wrote:

John wrote on Friday, June 01, 2007 3:05 AM::

  

I finished the script I have been working on. Unfortunately,
this Pee Cee version won't even finish the full data run
as it crashes with Zone Alarm. Since I have a long term good
relationship with Zone Alarm, I have to write off cygwin.

And here are the timings I get from my Windoze cygwin machine
vs. my MacBook Os X are (comparable machines):

Timings on Windoze cygwin:
[snip]
Zone Alarm crashes ALWAYS, won't even finish

Timings on Mac OS X:
[snip]

I am afraid I just have to move all this to my MacBook
and forget about Windoze/cygwin.



You're comparing chalk & cheese and complaining that your mouth's
full of grit.  It's not the chalk's fault.  It never claimed to 
tasted good in a sandwich.


Run your script on a Mac emulator running under Windows, (without
removing ZoneAlarm), then report back.  Alternatively, run your
script under Linux on your PC.

You also haven't grasped simple logic, so I dread to think what
your script is like.  (Give us a laugh and post it, I dare you)

Many people have experienced this:
 PC+Windows+ZoneAlarm+Cygwin+Script = Will not run
 PC+Windows+ZoneAlarm+ProgramX  = Will not run
 PC+Windows+Cygwin+Script   = Runs
 PC+Windows+ProgramX= Runs

What sort of warped logic blames cygwin in this situation?

The experience of many others is that ZoneAlarm is a badly written
program that interferes with the correct operation of all sorts of
software, not just cygwin.  What sort of arrogant fool thinks the
experience of countless others in the same circumstance doesn't 
apply to them?


Cygwin works.  I use it all day, every day and have done for years.
I didn't have to do anything special to get it to work.  If you 
can't make it work for you, I suggest that, ultimately, the problem 
is between your own ears, and you would be better off working on a 
solution to that rather than wasting our time with your mindless

trolling.

  
This is tangentially related to this topic (and I am not trying to put 
cygwin down, just discussing my problem).


John originally posted the timing results for his scripts, and what 
peaked my interest is that the timing on widows+cygwin was much slower 
than on the Mac.


On a thread that I started yesterday (see: slow bash command line and 
scripts).  I noted that my bash is very sluggish, and the script 
execution very slow.  The CPU is mostly idle.  The situation did not 
improve even after I implemented the suggested fixes (PATH cleanup).


Could my problem be related to some other windows/security software 
installed by the IT department (we have Preventia installed)?  (hmm, 
even I can answer that as :sure it could, but how to verify it?  I 
cannot remove Preventia.  I guess that in my ignorance I am still hoping 
a wizard (or witch) will speed-up my cygwin with a wave of a wand.)


Thanks,

Mirko




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RE: scripting and cygwin

[Phil Betts]

John wrote on Friday, June 01, 2007 3:05 AM::

> I finished the script I have been working on. Unfortunately,
> this Pee Cee version won't even finish the full data run
> as it crashes with Zone Alarm. Since I have a long term good
> relationship with Zone Alarm, I have to write off cygwin.
> 
> And here are the timings I get from my Windoze cygwin machine
> vs. my MacBook Os X are (comparable machines):
> 
> Timings on Windoze cygwin:
> [snip]
> Zone Alarm crashes ALWAYS, won't even finish
> 
> Timings on Mac OS X:
> [snip]
> 
> I am afraid I just have to move all this to my MacBook
> and forget about Windoze/cygwin.

You're comparing chalk & cheese and complaining that your mouth's
full of grit.  It's not the chalk's fault.  It never claimed to 
tasted good in a sandwich.

Run your script on a Mac emulator running under Windows, (without
removing ZoneAlarm), then report back.  Alternatively, run your
script under Linux on your PC.

You also haven't grasped simple logic, so I dread to think what
your script is like.  (Give us a laugh and post it, I dare you)

Many people have experienced this:
 PC+Windows+ZoneAlarm+Cygwin+Script = Will not run
 PC+Windows+ZoneAlarm+ProgramX  = Will not run
 PC+Windows+Cygwin+Script   = Runs
 PC+Windows+ProgramX= Runs

What sort of warped logic blames cygwin in this situation?

The experience of many others is that ZoneAlarm is a badly written
program that interferes with the correct operation of all sorts of
software, not just cygwin.  What sort of arrogant fool thinks the
experience of countless others in the same circumstance doesn't 
apply to them?

Cygwin works.  I use it all day, every day and have done for years.
I didn't have to do anything special to get it to work.  If you 
can't make it work for you, I suggest that, ultimately, the problem 
is between your own ears, and you would be better off working on a 
solution to that rather than wasting our time with your mindless
trolling.


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Thorsten Kampe]

* John (Thu, 31 May 2007 22:05:28 -0400)
> I finished the script I have been working on. Unfortunately,
> this Pee Cee version won't even finish the full data run
> as it crashes with Zone Alarm. Since I have a long term good
> relationship with Zone Alarm, I have to write off cygwin.
> 
> And here are the timings I get from my Windoze cygwin machine
> vs. my MacBook Os X are (comparable machines):
> 
> Timings on Windoze cygwin:
> 
> Foo.txt:
> Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 53 seconds]
> My Expenses:
> Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 4 minutes 19 seconds]
> Y2007.txt:
> Zone Alarm crashes ALWAYS, won't even finish
> 
> Timings on Mac OS X:
> Foo.txt:
> Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 3 seconds]
> My Expenses:
> Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 9 seconds]
> Y2007.txt:
> Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 36 seconds]
> 
> I am afraid I just have to move all this to my MacBook
> and forget about Windoze/cygwin.

Are you serious? I mean are you really seriously serious about that? 

You have shell scripts(?) called Foo.txt?! And you are complaining 
that a Cygwin shell script(?) runs slower when Zone Alarm(!!) is 
running. And crashing. I mean, sorry. That's silly. Really silly. 
Install Zone Alarm on your MAC and the compare the timings. Or the 
crashings.

FYI: Zone Alarm is one of the famous applications that make "Cygwin" 
sincerely misbehave. So if something doesn't work or crash the first 
question is: are you running Zone Alarm or [insert other apps]? If 
yes, then uninstall.


Thorsten


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Thorsten Kampe]

* John (Thu, 31 May 2007 23:29:25 -0400)
> umm... looking at the timings... I fell asleep waiting
> for cygwin go complete.

News for the newbie: Cygwin doesn't complete at all. You cannot start 
Cygwin and you can't stop it. Probably you're using some kind of shell 
(script) and I bet my pants that you don't even know the name of the 
shell you're using..

Thorsten


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[yitzle]

I fail to follow the logic behind that statement.
You suggested that "those with IQ less than 80 have responded so far..."
I noted that by your own reply, you are implying that you believe your
IQ to be below 80.
Your reply 1) is agreeing with what I said ("yes, ..."), yet it seems
to be agreeing with something other than what I said.

PS There ought to be a comma between "yes" and "you".

On 5/31/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

yes you are stupid.

yitzle wrote:
> On 5/31/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> hee hee,
>>
>> those with IQ less than 80 have responded so far...
>> on and on it goes...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> Rather self damming reply, don't you think?
>



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Re: scripting and cygwin

[John]

I have no problem. It behaves beautifully on Mac OS.
What problem do you refer to?

Andrew DeFaria wrote:

John wrote:
umm... looking at the timings... I fell asleep waiting for cygwin go 
complete.
I fell asleep listening to your sorry assed incomplete explanation. 
Let's not forget who has the problem here. *You do*. And you are getting 
no solutions with your stupid attitude now are you?


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

yitzle wrote:

Any bets as to how far or how fast this will degrade to name calling?

0 seconds... You frigging idiot!

OK, now that we've gotten past that...
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Re: scripting and cygwin

[yitzle]

On 5/31/07, yitzle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Any bets as to how far or how fast this will degrade to name calling?



Oops. I was going to write "how far/fast this will degrade" then threw
in the name calling.

Make that:
Any bets as to how fast this will degrade to name calling?

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

John wrote:
umm... looking at the timings... I fell asleep waiting for cygwin go 
complete.
I fell asleep listening to your sorry assed incomplete explanation. 
Let's not forget who has the problem here. *You do*. And you are getting 
no solutions with your stupid attitude now are you?

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[yitzle]

Any bets as to how far or how fast this will degrade to name calling?

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

John wrote:

oh and you are the guy in the PC commercials, yes?
Very funny!

Geeze! You ran out of material already?!? That's frigging funny!



Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:15:55PM -0400, John wrote:

You are playing the Windoze guy in one of those Mac PC
commercials, yes? Very funny!


I'll tell you what's funny:  your inability to spell simple words
like "Windows" and "PC" and your notion that thousands of people must
care that an unexplained script runs slower than you want and that
has caused you to...

zz...

No, sorry.  Funny wasn't the word I was going for.

I meant soporific.  I always get those two words confused.

cgf

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

John wrote:

You are playing the Windoze guy in one of those Mac PC
commercials, yes? Very funny!

Actually, no, I'm not. Next WAG!
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Re: scripting and cygwin

[John]

oh and you are the guy in the PC commercials, yes?
Very funny!


Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:15:55PM -0400, John wrote:

You are playing the Windoze guy in one of those Mac PC
commercials, yes? Very funny!


I'll tell you what's funny:  your inability to spell simple words
like "Windows" and "PC" and your notion that thousands of people must
care that an unexplained script runs slower than you want and that
has caused you to...

zz...

No, sorry.  Funny wasn't the word I was going for.

I meant soporific.  I always get those two words confused.

cgf

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[John]

umm... looking at the timings... I fell asleep waiting
for cygwin go complete.

Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:15:55PM -0400, John wrote:

You are playing the Windoze guy in one of those Mac PC
commercials, yes? Very funny!


I'll tell you what's funny:  your inability to spell simple words
like "Windows" and "PC" and your notion that thousands of people must
care that an unexplained script runs slower than you want and that
has caused you to...

zz...

No, sorry.  Funny wasn't the word I was going for.

I meant soporific.  I always get those two words confused.

cgf

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:15:55PM -0400, John wrote:
>You are playing the Windoze guy in one of those Mac PC
>commercials, yes? Very funny!

I'll tell you what's funny:  your inability to spell simple words
like "Windows" and "PC" and your notion that thousands of people must
care that an unexplained script runs slower than you want and that
has caused you to...

zz...

No, sorry.  Funny wasn't the word I was going for.

I meant soporific.  I always get those two words confused.

cgf

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Re: scripting and cygwin

[John]

You are playing the Windoze guy in one of those Mac PC
commercials, yes? Very funny!

Andrew DeFaria wrote:

John wrote:

Hi,

I finished the script I have been working on. Unfortunately,
this Pee Cee version won't even finish the full data run
as it crashes with Zone Alarm. Since I have a long term good
relationship with Zone Alarm, I have to write off cygwin.

And here are the timings I get from my Windoze cygwin machine
vs. my MacBook Os X are (comparable machines):

Timings on Windoze cygwin:

Foo.txt:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 53 seconds]
My Expenses:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 4 minutes 19 seconds]
Y2007.txt:
Zone Alarm crashes ALWAYS, won't even finish

Timings on Mac OS X:
Foo.txt:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 3 seconds]
My Expenses:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 9 seconds]
Y2007.txt:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 36 seconds]

I am afraid I just have to move all this to my MacBook
and forget about Windoze/cygwin.

John
What the hell are you talking about?!? ZoneAlarm sucks. Uninstall it. 
What does your script do? Who knows. Who cares. You wish to give up on 
Cygwin. Halaluah! Wonderful. Who the hell cares! Just because you cannot 
program doesn't mean that others can't.


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Re: scripting and cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

John wrote:

Hi,

I finished the script I have been working on. Unfortunately,
this Pee Cee version won't even finish the full data run
as it crashes with Zone Alarm. Since I have a long term good
relationship with Zone Alarm, I have to write off cygwin.

And here are the timings I get from my Windoze cygwin machine
vs. my MacBook Os X are (comparable machines):

Timings on Windoze cygwin:

Foo.txt:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 53 seconds]
My Expenses:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 4 minutes 19 seconds]
Y2007.txt:
Zone Alarm crashes ALWAYS, won't even finish

Timings on Mac OS X:
Foo.txt:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 3 seconds]
My Expenses:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 9 seconds]
Y2007.txt:
Elapsed Time: [0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 36 seconds]

I am afraid I just have to move all this to my MacBook
and forget about Windoze/cygwin.

John
What the hell are you talking about?!? ZoneAlarm sucks. Uninstall it. 
What does your script do? Who knows. Who cares. You wish to give up on 
Cygwin. Halaluah! Wonderful. Who the hell cares! Just because you cannot 
program doesn't mean that others can't.

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