Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-13 Thread Robert Collins

If it's running on cygwin, I wouldn't object to it being discussed here.

Rob


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From: Jean-Michel POURE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I will contact you off-the-list to explain this Php project. It is big
and
interesting...




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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Jean-Michel POURE

Le Mercredi 9 Janvier 2002 17:08, vous avez écrit :
 Jean-Michel,
 On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:12:22AM +0100, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
 See the following for my 4.0.2 experiences and patch:
 http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2001-07/msg00949.html
 Jason

Dear Jason,

Are there technical problems for not including RPM in the standard Cygwin 
packages? Again, I will not be using Cygwin for Cygwin installation itself. 
But it will be of great help for other projects, including mine.

This would be so fine to just type rpm --rebuild package_name.src.rpm to 
compile under Cygwin. Or rpm -ba spec_name to generate packages after 
modifying the specs.

Best regards,
Jean-Michel POURE

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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Robert Collins

No one has offered to be a package maintainer for Bezerkly db (a
pre-requisite) or rpm.

Rob


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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Jason Tishler

Jean-Michel,

On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:51:38AM +0100, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
 Le Mercredi 9 Janvier 2002 17:08, vous avez écrit :
  On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:12:22AM +0100, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
  See the following for my 4.0.2 experiences and patch:
  http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2001-07/msg00949.html
 
 Are there technical problems for not including RPM in the standard Cygwin 
 packages?

No, as Rob has already indicated, someone just has to do the work for db
and rpm.  Sorry, I don't have that itch -- do you?

Jason

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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Charles Wilson

Please search the mailing list archives (cygwin and cygwin-apps) where 
the RPM issue has been ENDLESSLY discussed.  You will discover, among 
other things, that we have repeatedly said somebody needs to 
port/maintain/contribute the package and (ditto) db.

Then we ask Do you want to volunteer?

Then we get silence.

--Chuck

Jean-Michel POURE wrote:

 Le Mercredi 9 Janvier 2002 17:08, vous avez écrit :
 
Jean-Michel,
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:12:22AM +0100, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
See the following for my 4.0.2 experiences and patch:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2001-07/msg00949.html
Jason

 
 Dear Jason,
 
 Are there technical problems for not including RPM in the standard Cygwin 
 packages? Again, I will not be using Cygwin for Cygwin installation itself. 
 But it will be of great help for other projects, including mine.
 
 This would be so fine to just type rpm --rebuild package_name.src.rpm to 
 compile under Cygwin. Or rpm -ba spec_name to generate packages after 
 modifying the specs.
 
 Best regards,
 Jean-Michel POURE
 
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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Pavel Tsekov

Well, I just want to know - what's the thing that prevented the db
package from being ported so long ? Is it extremly difficulk or it's
just a matter of no one having the time/interest of doing it ?

I may be interested in maintaing this package but what some details
first :)

Charles Wilson wrote:

 Please search the mailing list archives (cygwin and cygwin-apps) where 
 the RPM issue has been ENDLESSLY discussed.  You will discover, among 
 other things, that we have repeatedly said somebody needs to 
 port/maintain/contribute the package and (ditto) db.
 
 Then we ask Do you want to volunteer?
 
 Then we get silence.
 
 --Chuck
 
 Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
 
 Le Mercredi 9 Janvier 2002 17:08, vous avez écrit :

 Jean-Michel,
 On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:12:22AM +0100, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
 See the following for my 4.0.2 experiences and patch:
 http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2001-07/msg00949.html
 Jason


 Dear Jason,

 Are there technical problems for not including RPM in the standard 
 Cygwin packages? Again, I will not be using Cygwin for Cygwin 
 installation itself. But it will be of great help for other projects, 
 including mine.

 This would be so fine to just type rpm --rebuild package_name.src.rpm 
 to compile under Cygwin. Or rpm -ba spec_name to generate packages 
 after modifying the specs.

 Best regards,
 Jean-Michel POURE

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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Charles Wilson

Jean-Michel POURE wrote:

 Le Vendredi 11 Janvier 2002 17:10, Charles Wilson a écrit :
 
Please search the mailing list archives (cygwin and cygwin-apps) where
the RPM issue has been ENDLESSLY discussed.  You will discover, among
other things, that we have repeatedly said somebody needs to
port/maintain/contribute the package and (ditto) db.
Then we ask Do you want to volunteer?

 
 I see your point.
 
 The problem is that I am already working on two projects :
 - converting PHP classes and applications to an integrated 
 framework of RPM ready-to-use files. I need help on the RPM side at $W. 
 - building an open source global Home Location Registry
 (HLR) and VLR databases for future i802.11a applications. This has nothing to 
 do with RPM.
 
 I am too busy to maintain RPM under $W. 


Yep, that's pretty much what I expected.

 Can anyone help? I feel like Windows 
 has no future...


Overly dramatic much?

I mean, long term, of course you are correct.  In 4B years, our sun will 
explode and cook everything on earth -- and by then even MS will be extinct.

db mostly builds -- as a static lib -- OOB.  I've already ported 
db-2.7.7 and 3.1.x so that it builds as a DLL and made that available on 
my website and to the various people who get excited about RPM...who 
then dissappear.

I'm not too keen on supporting something -- when even the excited 
users aren't motivated enough to take a PRE-EXISTING port and just 
maintain the damn thing.

Geez -- I even ported rpm and provided it on my website.

Dunno anything about db-4.x.  (Oh, and given the lack of testing, there 
may be unresolved binary/text mount issues with my ports of db and/or rpm)

It's not windows that has no future -- it's the level of participation 
of people who want rpm that will trend to zero.  Cynical theory:  Anyone 
who wants a cygwin port of rpm will not ever become an active 
contributor nor participate in cygwin development.  Anyone who complains 
about setup.exe reinventing the wheel by using .tar.bz2 distribution 
formats instead of rpm/dpkg will whine bitterly for a week, and then 
dissappear -- and perhaps pop up with a new sourceforge project that 
will purport to provide cygwin with rpm that is an incomplete version 
of our platform.  Further this cygwin-rpm-sourceforge project will die 
in less than six months -- but will lead to endless questions on our 
mailing list about this deviant and unsupported distribution.  (Yes, 
it's happened at least twice already).

Sorry if that seems bitter -- but I've observed the pattern : new 
poster, rpm -- WAY too many times to just shrug it off.

--Chuck


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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-11 Thread Gerrit P. Haase

Hallo Gerrit,

Am 2002-01-11 um 18:59 schriebst du:

  Pavel,

 2002-01-11 18:39:43, du schriebst:

 Well, I just want to know - what's the thing that prevented the db
 package from being ported so long ? Is it extremly difficulk or it's
 just a matter of no one having the time/interest of doing it ?

 I may be interested in maintaing this package but what some details
 first :)

 Great, there are existing ports to start with, or start with 4.x series,
 I have it up and running here with shared libs, no problems so far (but
 I use only binmode mounts on NT).  The problems are with textmode
 mounts, FAT filesystems which needs investigation and a lots of testing.

 db-4.0 builds OOB with static libs and it is no issue to create a .dll
 from a shared lib with:
   ^
Nonono, from a static lib, to create a shared lib you need the static lib
or at least the object files.

 gcc -shared -o cyg${module}.dll -Wl,--out-implib=lib${module}.dll.a 
-Wl,--export-all-symbols -Wl,--enable-auto-import -Wl,--whole-archive $old_lib 
-Wl,--no-whole-archive ${dependency_libs}

 I use it every day.  Instead of -Wl,--whole-archive $old_lib you can
 also take the single objects list to build a .dll.

 What will last a 'little' longer is testing and debugging and patching
 to get it run on Win98 with the FAT fs and to make it useable on
 textmode mounts.


 Take a look at an existing port and what was done there:
 
ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/pc/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Wilson_Charles_S/michael-ring/

 Gerrit



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Re: RPM installer needed for my PHP project

2002-01-09 Thread Rue. SATOH

jm.poure Has anyone successfully ported RPM to Cygwin? Please note this is not for 
jm.poure Cygwin installation itself. 

I had ported RPM 3.0.6 to Cygwin. 
Please see http://www.sixnine.net/cygwin/.

I have been managing cygwin packages from Cygwin 1.1, but no trouble
in my life with this rpm.exe.
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