Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-02-01 Thread Paul Stodghill
 I have built a new tkinter that works with the latest Tcl/Tk
 and a Cygwin DLL built from the CVS source

 If anyone wantw to try just dropping this on top of the older one
 I have temporarily placed it on the web at
 http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/python/tkinter.tgz

 feedback as to if this works appreciated

I installed tcltk-20030128-3 (which I haven't seen announced yet) and
reinstalled python-2.2.2-4 - tkinter did not work, as expected.

I then dropped your _tkinter.dll in place. tkinter now works.

Thanks.


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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Jason Tishler
Paul,

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 12:29:30PM -0500, Paul Stodghill wrote:
 Upgrading to either tcltk-20030128-1 or tcltk-20030128-2 appears to
 break Python's tkinter. Reinstalling Python didn't help. Reverting to
 tcltk-20021218-1 fixed the problem.

Cygwin Python will have to be built against the new Tcl/Tk package to
solve this problem.  Sorry, no ETA.

Jason

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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 01:05:37PM -0500, Jason Tishler wrote:
Paul,

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 12:29:30PM -0500, Paul Stodghill wrote:
 Upgrading to either tcltk-20030128-1 or tcltk-20030128-2 appears to
 break Python's tkinter. Reinstalling Python didn't help. Reverting to
 tcltk-20021218-1 fixed the problem.

Cygwin Python will have to be built against the new Tcl/Tk package to
solve this problem.  Sorry, no ETA.

It's strange that every new release of tcl/tk breaks all past programs
which rely on it.

Hopefully we've stabilized on tcl8.4.1 for a while.  Otherwise, perhaps
someone wants to volunteer to maintain the old tcl packages so we can
have a 'tcltk83' package as well as a generic 'tcltk', similar to what
Red Hat and other distributions do in situations like this.

cgf

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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread William A. Hoffman

It's strange that every new release of tcl/tk breaks all past programs
which rely on it.
I would not say that this is strange.   The tcl/tk that is in cygwin,
is only for insight/gdb, as the comment says.   It is not a full distribution of 
tcl/tk. 
See the thread tclsh83.exe should be cygtclsh83.exe.   

-Bill




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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0500, William A. Hoffman wrote:
It's strange that every new release of tcl/tk breaks all past programs
which rely on it.

I would not say that this is strange.  The tcl/tk that is in cygwin, is
only for insight/gdb, as the comment says.  It is not a full
distribution of tcl/tk.  See the thread tclsh83.exe should be
cygtclsh83.exe.

Who do you think releases tcl/tk?  I don't know why you'd think that I
don't know what's going on here.  This was basically a *generic*
observation regardless.  tcl/tk changes the DLL name with every release.
I find that strange.

Regardless, it's very obvious that, setup comments notwithstanding, tk
is used by python.  I don't like breaking python every time I release a
new version of tcl/tk since I don't like making work for Jason.  I guess
that, somehow, Jason has found a chink in my otherwise mean demeanor.

cgf
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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread William A. Hoffman
At 03:15 PM 1/31/2003 -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0500, William A. Hoffman wrote:
It's strange that every new release of tcl/tk breaks all past programs
which rely on it.

I would not say that this is strange.  The tcl/tk that is in cygwin, is
only for insight/gdb, as the comment says.  It is not a full
distribution of tcl/tk.  See the thread tclsh83.exe should be
cygtclsh83.exe.

Who do you think releases tcl/tk?  I don't know why you'd think that I
don't know what's going on here.  This was basically a *generic*

That is a good question, I assume from the tone of your question, it is you.
However, I searched the cygwin-apps announce for the new release of tcl/tk
and found no mention of it.  There is also no /usr/doc directory for tcl/tk.  

I guess I am still a bit upset, that the tcl/tk from setup no longer does 
what I need it to do.   The older one was a more complete although very old
release.  I do not think that a tcl/tk release meant only for python and gdb
is a very general solution.   And there is a complete port of tcl/tk that works
with cygwin, so why not use that one.


-Bill




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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:02:58PM -0500, William A. Hoffman wrote:
At 03:15 PM 1/31/2003 -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0500, William A. Hoffman wrote:
It's strange that every new release of tcl/tk breaks all past programs
which rely on it.

I would not say that this is strange.  The tcl/tk that is in cygwin, is
only for insight/gdb, as the comment says.  It is not a full
distribution of tcl/tk.  See the thread tclsh83.exe should be
cygtclsh83.exe.

Who do you think releases tcl/tk?  I don't know why you'd think that I
don't know what's going on here.  This was basically a *generic*

That is a good question, I assume from the tone of your question, it is
you.  However, I searched the cygwin-apps announce for the new release
of tcl/tk and found no mention of it.  There is also no /usr/doc
directory for tcl/tk.

There was an announcement of a new release on Tuesday:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2003-01/msg00024.html

and Charles Wilson mentioned it in the thread that *you* started:
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-01/msg01690.html

I guess I am still a bit upset, that the tcl/tk from setup no longer
does what I need it to do.

For the record, I don't recall that you ever described precisely what
your issue was with tclsh.  When I ran it, I noticed an obvious error
which may have been what you were experiencing.  Coincidentially enough,
I'd been plannnig on releasing a new version of tcl/tk since 8.4.1 was
introduced, so a new release showed up *the day after* you started
complaining.  tclsh84 does not have the obvious error.

It's strange that you are still complaining about this rather than
either reporting bugs with the new version (in the correct place, of
course) or (hopefully) noticing that everything works now.

cgf
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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Norman Vine
Jason Tishler writes:
 
 On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 12:29:30PM -0500, Paul Stodghill wrote:
  Upgrading to either tcltk-20030128-1 or tcltk-20030128-2 appears to
  break Python's tkinter. Reinstalling Python didn't help. Reverting to
  tcltk-20021218-1 fixed the problem.
 
 Cygwin Python will have to be built against the new Tcl/Tk package to
 solve this problem.  Sorry, no ETA.

I have built a new tkinter that works with the latest Tcl/Tk
and a Cygwin DLL built from the CVS source

If anyone wantw to try just dropping this on top of the older one
I have temporarily placed it on the web at
http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/python/tkinter.tgz

feedback as to if this works appreciated

Cheers 

Norman

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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Mo Awad
Could someone help me get off this list?
- Original Message -
From: William A. Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:02:58 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

 At 03:15 PM 1/31/2003 -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0500, William A. Hoffman wrote:
 It's strange that every new release of tcl/tk breaks all past programs
 which rely on it.
 
 I would not say that this is strange.  The tcl/tk that is in cygwin, is
 only for insight/gdb, as the comment says.  It is not a full
 distribution of tcl/tk.  See the thread tclsh83.exe should be
 cygtclsh83.exe.
 
 Who do you think releases tcl/tk?  I don't know why you'd think that I
 don't know what's going on here.  This was basically a *generic*
 
 That is a good question, I assume from the tone of your question, it is you.
 However, I searched the cygwin-apps announce for the new release of tcl/tk
 and found no mention of it.  There is also no /usr/doc directory for tcl/tk.  
 
 I guess I am still a bit upset, that the tcl/tk from setup no longer does 
 what I need it to do.   The older one was a more complete although very old
 release.  I do not think that a tcl/tk release meant only for python and gdb
 is a very general solution.   And there is a complete port of tcl/tk that works
 with cygwin, so why not use that one.
 
 
 -Bill
 
 
 
 
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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Max Bowsher
Mo Awad wrote:
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Re: Latest TCL/TK breaks Python's tkinter

2003-01-31 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:48:13PM -0500, William A. Hoffman wrote:
OK, sorry for the confusion.   I guess the setup comment about this only
working with gdb threw me off track.  I upgraded to it, and a tcl script I had
that uses the tcl package http stopped working.   I looked at the comment,
and figured since I was not gdb, there was no use complaining that it did
not work.

So, should the comment be changed?

I had removed the 'gdb only' words from the setup hint earlier.

Is this a full tcl/tk meant to run any standard tcl/tk script?

This version of tcl/tk should be fully functional.

If so, I would like to report that the http package is missing.

I've been informed privately that http is available in the release that I
provided.

If you have specific problems, you'll have to provide specific bug
reports.  Assuming that you are finally using tcl 8.4.1, please provide
the error that you're getting wrt the http package.  If you aren't using
8.4.1 (and why wouldn't you be by now?) then upgrade.

cgf

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