Re: Profile not called

2004-10-26 Thread Larry Hall 
At 01:10 AM 10/26/2004, you wrote:

>"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[snip]
>> So you mean that when you ran 'setup.exe' and got to the page titled
>> "Cygwin Setup - Choose Installation Directory", your "Root Directory"
>> read as 'C:\Cygwin\bin' and you did not change that to
>> 'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001'?
>[snip]
>
>I myself changed nothing.



Ah, well then it's time to get the gremlins out of your system.  They
are causing you no end of grief!



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RE: Profile not called

2004-10-26 Thread Dave Korn 
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Alex Vinokur
> Sent: 26 October 2004 15:09

> "Dave Korn" wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Alex Vinokur
> > > Sent: 26 October 2004 06:08
> >
> > > "Dave Korn" wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [snip]
> > > > Have you previously installed "For all users" and now
> > > you're trying to install "Just for
> > > > me", or perhaps vice-versa?
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Where does one do that: "For all users" or "Just for me"?

> >   Ever hear of a program called "setup.exe"?  You'll find 
> it in there, in amongst
> > the first few screens.  I guess if you haven't noticed it 
> before, you probably
> > haven't been changing it!
> [snip]
> 
> Here are the first few screens.
> news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Where can I find "For all users" or "Just for me"?


  The *install* options are only displayed when you are doing an *install* (either
from internet or local).  There's no point showing them when there isn't going to
be any installation, which is why they aren't displayed when you choose "download
from internet".

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-26 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Dave Korn" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Alex Vinokur
> > Sent: 26 October 2004 06:08
>
> > "Dave Korn" wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [snip]
> > > Have you previously installed "For all users" and now
> > you're trying to install "Just for
> > > me", or perhaps vice-versa?
> > [snip]
> >
> > Where does one do that: "For all users" or "Just for me"?
>
>
>   Ever hear of a program called "setup.exe"?  You'll find it in there, in amongst
> the first few screens.  I guess if you haven't noticed it before, you probably
> haven't been changing it!
[snip]

Here are the first few screens.
news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
news://news.mozilla.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Where can I find "For all users" or "Just for me"?

Thanks,

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RE: Profile not called

2004-10-26 Thread Dave Korn 
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Alex Vinokur
> Sent: 26 October 2004 06:08

> "Dave Korn" wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [snip]
> > Have you previously installed "For all users" and now 
> you're trying to install "Just for
> > me", or perhaps vice-versa?
> [snip]
> 
> Where does one do that: "For all users" or "Just for me"?


  Ever hear of a program called "setup.exe"?  You'll find it in there, in amongst
the first few screens.  I guess if you haven't noticed it before, you probably
haven't been changing it!

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
> So you mean that when you ran 'setup.exe' and got to the page titled
> "Cygwin Setup - Choose Installation Directory", your "Root Directory"
> read as 'C:\Cygwin\bin' and you did not change that to
> 'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001'?
[snip]

I myself changed nothing.

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Dave Korn" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
> Have you previously installed "For all users" and now you're trying to install "Just 
> for
> me", or perhaps vice-versa?
[snip]

Where does one do that: "For all users" or "Just for me"?

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Larry Hall 
At 12:25 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:

>"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> At 12:03 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
>>
>> >"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >[snip]
>> >> And how would you check to find out where 'kpsexpand' came from?  Visit
>> >> , enter 'kpsexpand', and press enter.  Presto!
>> >> You now know that 'kpsexpand' comes from the 'tetex-bin' package.  You
>> >> have that installed, so you can either look to see why that's not being found
>> >> for you anymore or you can just rerun 'setup.exe' and reinstall it.  The
>> >> choice is yours.
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >I have reinstalled.
>> >
>> >The original problem has returned.
>> >See news://news.gmane.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >bash-2.05b$ cygcheck -srv > cygcheck.out 2>&1
>> >
>> >File cygcheck.out is attached.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Well, it looks like your mounts are wrong again.  They now all point to
>> 'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001' while your path points to 'C:\cygwin\bin'.
>> Perhaps during the reinstall you changed your installation path (again)?
>
>I did nothing with my installation path.


So you mean that when you ran 'setup.exe' and got to the page titled
"Cygwin Setup - Choose Installation Directory", your "Root Directory"
read as 'C:\Cygwin\bin' and you did not change that to 
'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001'?  Well, if you didn't make that change, 
you're doing something else that alters the default mount paths.  You 
should find a way to keep from doing that.

I agree with Dave Korn as well.  You have *many* similar packages from 
many different sources all of which have potential to clash with each other.
It is *not* a goal of Cygwin tools to work seamlessly with any and all other
versions of like tools.  If you have further problems with 'tetex' or other 
tools for which you have multiple variants installed, please try to narrow 
down where the problem is coming from and consult the appropriate source for 
guidance on the issue found.





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RE: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Dave Korn 
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Alex Vinokur
> Sent: 25 October 2004 17:25

> > Well, it looks like your mounts are wrong again.  They now 
> all point to
> > 'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001' while your path points to 
> 'C:\cygwin\bin'.
> > Perhaps during the reinstall you changed your installation 
> path (again)?
> 
> I did nothing with my installation path.

  Reset your mount points using umount/mount as you did previously.  Then run
setup.exe again, while logging all registry activity to a file using regmon from
www.sysinternals.com.  That may give you a clue what's going wrong.  Have you
previously installed "For all users" and now you're trying to install "Just for
me", or perhaps vice-versa?

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> At 12:03 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
>
> >"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[snip]
> >> And how would you check to find out where 'kpsexpand' came from?  Visit
> >> , enter 'kpsexpand', and press enter.  Presto!
> >> You now know that 'kpsexpand' comes from the 'tetex-bin' package.  You
> >> have that installed, so you can either look to see why that's not being found
> >> for you anymore or you can just rerun 'setup.exe' and reinstall it.  The
> >> choice is yours.
> >[snip]
> >
> >I have reinstalled.
> >
> >The original problem has returned.
> >See news://news.gmane.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >bash-2.05b$ cygcheck -srv > cygcheck.out 2>&1
> >
> >File cygcheck.out is attached.
> >
>
>
> Well, it looks like your mounts are wrong again.  They now all point to
> 'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001' while your path points to 'C:\cygwin\bin'.
> Perhaps during the reinstall you changed your installation path (again)?

I did nothing with my installation path.

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Larry Hall 
At 12:03 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:

>"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[snip]
>> And how would you check to find out where 'kpsexpand' came from?  Visit
>> , enter 'kpsexpand', and press enter.  Presto!
>> You now know that 'kpsexpand' comes from the 'tetex-bin' package.  You
>> have that installed, so you can either look to see why that's not being found
>> for you anymore or you can just rerun 'setup.exe' and reinstall it.  The
>> choice is yours.
>[snip]
>
>I have reinstalled.
>
>The original problem has returned.
>See news://news.gmane.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>bash-2.05b$ cygcheck -srv > cygcheck.out 2>&1
>
>File cygcheck.out is attached.
>


Well, it looks like your mounts are wrong again.  They now all point to 
'C:\cygwin_etc\_download\001' while your path points to 'C:\cygwin\bin'.
Perhaps during the reinstall you changed your installation path (again)?


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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Larry Hall 
At 10:00 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote:

>"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[snip]
>> At 04:21 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
>> I'll take your word for it but I still think you should heed Brian's advice.
>> Looking at your cygcheck output, one can see that you have Cygwin executables
>> like 'bash.exe', 'cat.exe', and 'gcc.exe' in 'C:\cygwin\bin\', to name a few.
>> This is in direct conflict with your mounts.  From your mounts, I'm led to
>> conclude that you installed Cygwin into the directory you downloaded Cygwin
>> to, which has historically caused problems.  It's clear that at least at some
>> point in the past, you also installed Cygwin into 'C:\cygwin\bin\'.  So I'd
>> recommend looking at this conflict and getting it resolved.  Brian's
>> suggestion may be all that's necessary to set this straight.
>[snip]
>
>Thanks. I did that. See my posting in the tread titled
>"startup problem // no longer works // profile not called"
>at news://news.gmane.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>We can see that there is some problem with
>"bash: kpsexpand: command not found"


And how would you check to find out where 'kpsexpand' came from?  Visit
, enter 'kpsexpand', and press enter.  Presto!
You now know that 'kpsexpand' comes from the 'tetex-bin' package.  You 
have that installed, so you can either look to see why that's not being found
for you anymore or you can just rerun 'setup.exe' and reinstall it.  The
choice is yours.



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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Larry Hall" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
> At 04:21 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
> I'll take your word for it but I still think you should heed Brian's advice.
> Looking at your cygcheck output, one can see that you have Cygwin executables
> like 'bash.exe', 'cat.exe', and 'gcc.exe' in 'C:\cygwin\bin\', to name a few.
> This is in direct conflict with your mounts.  From your mounts, I'm led to
> conclude that you installed Cygwin into the directory you downloaded Cygwin
> to, which has historically caused problems.  It's clear that at least at some
> point in the past, you also installed Cygwin into 'C:\cygwin\bin\'.  So I'd
> recommend looking at this conflict and getting it resolved.  Brian's
> suggestion may be all that's necessary to set this straight.
[snip]

Thanks. I did that. See my posting in the tread titled
"startup problem // no longer works // profile not called"
at news://news.gmane.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

We can see that there is some problem with
"bash: kpsexpand: command not found"


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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Larry Hall 
At 04:21 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote:

>"Brian Dessent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Please pay attention to this.  We don't want to feed the spammers.


>> Alex Vinokur wrote:
>>
>> > HOME = `c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator'
>>
>> Your home directory has spaces in it.  THat's going to break some
>> things.  See the users guide / FAQ.
>
>It worked for a long time (more than 2 years).


Then you must be redefining HOME somewhere else and/or otherwise making 
allowances for it.  Brian's suggestion is the simple, reliable, and 
robust way to make this work.  You should consider it.


>>
>> > C:\cygwin\_download\001/ system  textmode
>> > C:\cygwin\_download\001/bin/usr/bin  system  textmode
>> > C:\cygwin\_download\001/lib/usr/lib  system  textmode
>> > C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts  system  binmode
>> > .  /cygdrive system  
>> > textmode,cygdrive
>>
>> Your mounts are messed up.  I don't know what that "_download\001" dir
>> is but I suspect that your / should be c:/cygwin, your /usr/bin should
>> be c:/cygwin/bin and /usr/lib should be c:/cygwin/lib.  Either fix your
>> mounts using "mount" and "umount" commands or rerun setup and point it
>> at c:\cygwin to install.  Most everything is going to be broken until
>> you fix this.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>It also worked for a long time.
>
>Yesterday I downloaded and installed Cygwin updates. After that I have the problem.
>Before that I had no problem.


I'll take your word for it but I still think you should heed Brian's advice.
Looking at your cygcheck output, one can see that you have Cygwin executables
like 'bash.exe', 'cat.exe', and 'gcc.exe' in 'C:\cygwin\bin\', to name a few.
This is in direct conflict with your mounts.  From your mounts, I'm led to 
conclude that you installed Cygwin into the directory you downloaded Cygwin
to, which has historically caused problems.  It's clear that at least at some
point in the past, you also installed Cygwin into 'C:\cygwin\bin\'.  So I'd
recommend looking at this conflict and getting it resolved.  Brian's 
suggestion may be all that's necessary to set this straight.


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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Brian Dessent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Alex Vinokur wrote:
>
> > HOME = `c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator'
>
> Your home directory has spaces in it.  THat's going to break some
> things.  See the users guide / FAQ.

It worked for a long time (more than 2 years).

>
> > C:\cygwin\_download\001/ system  textmode
> > C:\cygwin\_download\001/bin/usr/bin  system  textmode
> > C:\cygwin\_download\001/lib/usr/lib  system  textmode
> > C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts  system  binmode
> > .  /cygdrive system  
> > textmode,cygdrive
>
> Your mounts are messed up.  I don't know what that "_download\001" dir
> is but I suspect that your / should be c:/cygwin, your /usr/bin should
> be c:/cygwin/bin and /usr/lib should be c:/cygwin/lib.  Either fix your
> mounts using "mount" and "umount" commands or rerun setup and point it
> at c:\cygwin to install.  Most everything is going to be broken until
> you fix this.
>
> Brian
>
It also worked for a long time.

Yesterday I downloaded and installed Cygwin updates. After that I have the problem.
Before that I had no problem.


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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-25 Thread Brian Dessent 
Alex Vinokur wrote:

> HOME = `c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator'

Your home directory has spaces in it.  THat's going to break some
things.  See the users guide / FAQ.

> C:\cygwin\_download\001/ system  textmode
> C:\cygwin\_download\001/bin/usr/bin  system  textmode
> C:\cygwin\_download\001/lib/usr/lib  system  textmode
> C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts  system  binmode
> .  /cygdrive system  
> textmode,cygdrive

Your mounts are messed up.  I don't know what that "_download\001" dir
is but I suspect that your / should be c:/cygwin, your /usr/bin should
be c:/cygwin/bin and /usr/lib should be c:/cygwin/lib.  Either fix your
mounts using "mount" and "umount" commands or rerun setup and point it
at c:\cygwin to install.  Most everything is going to be broken until
you fix this.

Brian

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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-24 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Alex Vinokur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
> I changed the Path environment.
> $ cygcheck -svr > cygcheck.txt 2>&1
> File cygcheck.txt  is attached.
> It didn't help.
>
> I tried to read man bash.
>
> bash-2.05b$ man bash
> Warning: cannot open configuration file /usr/share/misc/man.conf
> No manual entry for bash
> bash-2.05b$

Nothing works.

-- foo.cpp --
#include 
int main ()
{
  return 0;
}
-

bash-2.05b$ g++ foo.cpp
foo.cpp:1:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory
bash-2.05b$

bash-2.05b$ g++ -v foo.cpp
Reading specs from /cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/specs
Configured with:
/gcc/gcc-3.3.3-3/configure --verbose --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr 
--sysconfdir=/etc --libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --ma
ndir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info 
--enable-languages=c,ada,c++,d,f77,java,objc,pascal --enable-nls --without-included-ge
ttext --enable-libgcj --with-system-zlib --enable-interpreter --enable-threads=posix 
--enable-java-gc=boehm --enable-sjlj-exceptions
 --disable-version-specific-runtime-libs --disable-win32-registry
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.3.3 (cygwin special)
 /cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/cc1plus.exe -quiet -v 
-iprefix
/cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/ -D__GNUC__=3 
-D__GNUC_MINOR__=3 -D__GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__=3 -D__CYGWIN32__ -
D__CYGWIN__ -Dunix -D__unix__ -D__unix -idirafter ../include/w32api -idirafter 
../../include/w32api
foo.cpp -D__GNUG__=3 -quiet -dumpbase foo.cpp -auxbase foo -version -o 
/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/ADMINI~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/ccdCABy8.s
ignoring nonexistent directory "../include/w32api"
ignoring nonexistent directory "../../include/w32api"
GNU C++ version 3.3.3 (cygwin special) (i686-pc-cygwin)
 compiled by GNU C version 3.3.3 (cygwin special).
GGC heuristics: --param ggc-min-expand=64 --param ggc-min-heapsize=65470
ignoring nonexistent directory "/cygdrive/c/cygwin/include/c++/3.3.3"
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ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include"
ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/i686-pc-cygwin/include"
#include "..." search starts here:
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 /cygdrive/c/cygwin/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.3.3/include
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foo.cpp:1:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory


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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-24 Thread Larry Hall 
At 10:45 AM 10/24/2004, you wrote:
>It seems that profile is not called.
>
>I put several aliases and "Hello from Cygwin" in profile.
>However 'declare' doesn't show them.
>Also Cywing window doesn't print "Hello from Cygwin".
>
>$ cygcheck -c cygwin
>Cygwin Package Information
>Package  VersionStatus
>cygwin   1.5.11-1   OK


Alex,

Please read the man page for bash.  If this doesn't resolve your issue,
please prepare a clear, reproducible example before you consult the list
again for help on this issue.  Make sure you include that example in your
post. ;-)  Also, a quick review of  is
probably in order.  We need some minimal information for any problem 
reports from you to make sense.



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Re: Profile not called

2004-10-24 Thread Alex Vinokur 

"Alex Vinokur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> It seems that profile is not called.
>
> I put several aliases and "Hello from Cygwin" in profile.
> However 'declare' doesn't show them.
> Also Cywing window doesn't print "Hello from Cygwin".
>
> $ cygcheck -c cygwin
> Cygwin Package Information
> Package  VersionStatus
> cygwin   1.5.11-1   OK
>

bash-2.05b$ cygcheck -c bash
Cygwin Package Information
Package  VersionStatus
bash 2.05b-16   OK

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