Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-24 Thread Jonathan Arnold 
Dave Korn wrote:
-Original Message-
From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Igor Pechtchanski
Sent: 23 January 2005 02:33

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway
through its startup process, then hangs.
3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash
shell, and it behaves the same way.
[snip]
Any ideas on what it could be?

Seriously, though -- must be something in the Cygwin DLL 
inner workings
that's doing this, and it can't be the networking subsystem 
(as 'sleep'
doesn't use it, AFAIK).  One guess is that Cygwin interferes 

Igor -
  Remind me, what was the name of that really crappy PFW software that has
resource leak problems and is always messing up when cygwin apps come into the
picture?
Jonathan - 

  What PFW software are you using?
I'm not exactly sure what "PFW" stands for, but if it means what firewall 
am I
using, then the answer would be I'm using a Netgear Firewall Router, and am
not using a software based solution.
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RE: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-24 Thread Igor Pechtchanski 
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Dave Korn wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Igor Pechtchanski
> > Sent: 23 January 2005 02:33
>
> > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway
> > > > > > > > > through its startup process, then hangs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash
> > > > > > > > > shell, and it behaves the same way.
> > > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > > Any ideas on what it could be?
>
> > Seriously, though -- must be something in the Cygwin DLL
> > inner workings
> > that's doing this, and it can't be the networking subsystem
> > (as 'sleep'
> > doesn't use it, AFAIK).  One guess is that Cygwin interferes
>
> Igor -
>
>   Remind me, what was the name of that really crappy PFW software that
> has resource leak problems and is always messing up when cygwin apps
> come into the picture?

Oh, that[*].  Yes, now that you mentioned it, I'm surprised nobody asked
that yet.  Good call -- could be just that.
Igor
[*] Don't recall the name, either.

> Jonathan -
>
>   What PFW software are you using?

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RE: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-24 Thread Dave Korn 
> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Igor Pechtchanski
> Sent: 23 January 2005 02:33

> > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > 1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway
> > > > > > > > through its startup process, then hangs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash
> > > > > > > > shell, and it behaves the same way.
> > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > Any ideas on what it could be?

> Seriously, though -- must be something in the Cygwin DLL 
> inner workings
> that's doing this, and it can't be the networking subsystem 
> (as 'sleep'
> doesn't use it, AFAIK).  One guess is that Cygwin interferes 

Igor -

  Remind me, what was the name of that really crappy PFW software that has
resource leak problems and is always messing up when cygwin apps come into the
picture?

Jonathan - 

  What PFW software are you using?

cheers, 
  DaveK
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-22 Thread Igor Pechtchanski 
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > 1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway
> > > > > > > through its startup process, then hangs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash
> > > > > > > shell, and it behaves the same way.
> > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > Any ideas on what it could be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP
> > > > > > sockets (which essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate
> > > > > > Unix domain sockets.  If rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket
> > > > > > (even if it's not using X), and DoD tries to access the same
> > > > > > port, because it's somehow predefined and it expects it to be
> > > > > > free, there could be a conflict.  I can't think of anything
> > > > > > else in Cygwin that would interfere with a (presumably)
> > > > > > non-Cygwin application.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, unless the regular bash shell does it too, that probably
> > > > > isn't correct. Like I said, it is very weird and it took me some
> > > > > time to figure it out.
> > > >
> > > > The "regular bash" that you tried is really a login shell.  That
> > > > *can* run X-related stuff, e.g., from /etc/profile.d scripts.  A
> > > > real test would be to try a non-login bash (just run
> > > > "c:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -i" from a CMD prompt).  If that doesn't
> > > > interfere with DoD, it would make my WAG more probable.
> > > > Otherwise we'll have to look for other possible reasons.
> > >
> > > Okay, I tried it this way too, and it still hangs DoD.  FWIW,
> > > running MSYS (MinGW's bash), does not hang DoD.
> > >
> > > Very Odd.
> >
> > Yep.  Curiouser and curiouser...  Does *any* Cygwin process have that
> > effect?  Try running "c:\cygwin\bin\sleep.exe 60" from a CMD prompt --
> > does *that* make DoD hang?
>
> Strangely enough, yes that too does make DoD hang.
>
> How very very strange.

Well, I guess you found a reliable way to delay the startup of DoD on your
friends' computers for 20 seconds if you ever need to -- just install
Cygwin and run "sleep 20". :-)

Seriously, though -- must be something in the Cygwin DLL inner workings
that's doing this, and it can't be the networking subsystem (as 'sleep'
doesn't use it, AFAIK).  One guess is that Cygwin interferes with one of
the DLLs that DoD needs to load, but that would result in a failure, not a
hang...  Other possibilities may be that Cygwin uses some Windows API call
that does something with the network on your system, and that freezes DoD
(in which case other applications may do this as well), or that the name
of some shared memory region coincides (I'm really grasping at straws
here, you know)...

See if the Windows Event Log contains any messages that could be connected
with this...  You might also want to try some of the system monitoring
tools at , to perhaps trace the DoD startup in
both cases and compare the traces...  In short, you'll probably have to
debug this yourself, sorry.
Igor
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-22 Thread Jonathan Arnold 
Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway through its
startup process, then hangs.
3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash shell, and
it behaves the same way.
[snip]
Any ideas on what it could be?
A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP sockets
(which essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate Unix domain
sockets.  If rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket (even if it's not
using X), and DoD tries to access the same port, because it's
somehow predefined and it expects it to be free, there could be a
conflict.  I can't think of anything else in Cygwin that would
interfere with a (presumably) non-Cygwin application.
Well, unless the regular bash shell does it too, that probably isn't
correct. Like I said, it is very weird and it took me some time to
figure it out.
The "regular bash" that you tried is really a login shell.  That *can*
run X-related stuff, e.g., from /etc/profile.d scripts.  A real test would
be to try a non-login bash (just run "c:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -i" from a
CMD prompt).  If that doesn't interfere with DoD, it would make my WAG
more probable.  Otherwise we'll have to look for other possible reasons.
Okay, I tried it this way too, and it still hangs DoD.  FWIW, running
MSYS (MinGW's bash), does not hang DoD.
Very Odd.

Yep.  Curiouser and curiouser...  Does *any* Cygwin process have that
effect?  Try running "c:\cygwin\bin\sleep.exe 60" from a CMD prompt --
does *that* make DoD hang?
Strangely enough, yes that too does make DoD hang.
How very very strange.
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-21 Thread Igor Pechtchanski 
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway through its
> > > > > startup process, then hangs.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash shell, and
> > > > > it behaves the same way.
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > Any ideas on what it could be?
> > > >
> > > > A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP sockets
> > > > (which essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate Unix domain
> > > > sockets.  If rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket (even if it's not
> > > > using X), and DoD tries to access the same port, because it's
> > > > somehow predefined and it expects it to be free, there could be a
> > > > conflict.  I can't think of anything else in Cygwin that would
> > > > interfere with a (presumably) non-Cygwin application.
> > >
> > > Well, unless the regular bash shell does it too, that probably isn't
> > > correct. Like I said, it is very weird and it took me some time to
> > > figure it out.
> >
> > The "regular bash" that you tried is really a login shell.  That *can*
> > run X-related stuff, e.g., from /etc/profile.d scripts.  A real test would
> > be to try a non-login bash (just run "c:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -i" from a
> > CMD prompt).  If that doesn't interfere with DoD, it would make my WAG
> > more probable.  Otherwise we'll have to look for other possible reasons.
>
> Okay, I tried it this way too, and it still hangs DoD.  FWIW, running
> MSYS (MinGW's bash), does not hang DoD.
>
> Very Odd.

Yep.  Curiouser and curiouser...  Does *any* Cygwin process have that
effect?  Try running "c:\cygwin\bin\sleep.exe 60" from a CMD prompt --
does *that* make DoD hang?
Igor
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-21 Thread Jonathan Arnold 
Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway through its
startup process, then hangs.
3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash shell, and
it behaves the same way.
Do you mean that the regular Cygwin bash shell makes DoD hang too?  As in,
start a Command Prompt, run cygwin.bat from it, and DoD still hangs?
More or less. I have a shortcut with the following:
D:\WINNT\system32\CMD.EXE /c D:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
And that makes DoD hang just like rxvt does.

Any ideas on what it could be?
A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP sockets (which
essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate Unix domain sockets.  If
rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket (even if it's not using X), and DoD
tries to access the same port, because it's somehow predefined and it
expects it to be free, there could be a conflict.  I can't think of
anything else in Cygwin that would interfere with a (presumably)
non-Cygwin application.
Well, unless the regular bash shell does it too, that probably isn't
correct. Like I said, it is very weird and it took me some time to
figure it out.

The "regular bash" that you tried is really a login shell.  That *can*
run X-related stuff, e.g., from /etc/profile.d scripts.  A real test would
be to try a non-login bash (just run "c:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -i" from a
CMD prompt).  If that doesn't interfere with DoD, it would make my WAG
more probable.  Otherwise we'll have to look for other possible reasons.
Okay, I tried it this way too, and it still hangs DoD.  FWIW, running
MSYS (MinGW's bash), does not hang DoD.
Very Odd.
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-21 Thread Igor Pechtchanski 
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > 1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
> > >
> > > 2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway through its
> > > startup process, then hangs.
> > >
> > > 3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
> > >
> > > I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash shell, and
> > > it behaves the same way.
> >
> > Do you mean that the regular Cygwin bash shell makes DoD hang too?  As in,
> > start a Command Prompt, run cygwin.bat from it, and DoD still hangs?
>
> More or less. I have a shortcut with the following:
>
> D:\WINNT\system32\CMD.EXE /c D:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
>
> And that makes DoD hang just like rxvt does.
>
> > > Any ideas on what it could be?
> >
> > A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP sockets (which
> > essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate Unix domain sockets.  If
> > rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket (even if it's not using X), and DoD
> > tries to access the same port, because it's somehow predefined and it
> > expects it to be free, there could be a conflict.  I can't think of
> > anything else in Cygwin that would interfere with a (presumably)
> > non-Cygwin application.
>
> Well, unless the regular bash shell does it too, that probably isn't
> correct. Like I said, it is very weird and it took me some time to
> figure it out.

The "regular bash" that you tried is really a login shell.  That *can*
run X-related stuff, e.g., from /etc/profile.d scripts.  A real test would
be to try a non-login bash (just run "c:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe -i" from a
CMD prompt).  If that doesn't interfere with DoD, it would make my WAG
more probable.  Otherwise we'll have to look for other possible reasons.
Igor
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-21 Thread Jonathan Arnold 
Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway through its
startup process, then hangs.
3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash shell, and
it behaves the same way.
Do you mean that the regular Cygwin bash shell makes DoD hang too?  As in,
start a Command Prompt, run cygwin.bat from it, and DoD still hangs?
More or less. I have a shortcut with the following:
D:\WINNT\system32\CMD.EXE /c D:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
And that makes DoD hang just like rxvt does.
Any ideas on what it could be?
A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP sockets (which
essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate Unix domain sockets.  If
rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket (even if it's not using X), and DoD
tries to access the same port, because it's somehow predefined and it
expects it to be free, there could be a conflict.  I can't think of
anything else in Cygwin that would interfere with a (presumably)
non-Cygwin application.
Well, unless the regular bash shell does it too, that probably isn't
correct. Like I said, it is very weird and it took me some time to
figure it out.
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Re: Very strange rxvt problem - game hangs when it is running

2005-01-21 Thread Igor Pechtchanski 
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

> This one is very specialized, and I don't expect to get it fixed, and
> I have no idea why it should happen but I thought I'd throw it out
> there anyway.
>
> If I'm running rxvt, my online game "Day of Defeat" (a Half-Life
> mod) hangs when finishing up connecting to a server.  It gets about
> half way, and then just stops.  If I exit rxvt, it connects just
> fine. Very strange.
>
> And just to be sure, I tried it again now:
>
> 1] Run "Day of Defeat" - connects and runs just fine.
>
> 2] Start rxvt.  Try "DoD" again. It gets about halfway through its
> startup process, then hangs.
>
> 3] Quit rxvt and try again. "DoD" works fine.
>
> I tried the same procedure with the regular Cygwin bash shell, and
> it behaves the same way.

Do you mean that the regular Cygwin bash shell makes DoD hang too?  As in,
start a Command Prompt, run cygwin.bat from it, and DoD still hangs?

> I'm not sure exactly where in the connection process that "DoD" is
> hanging; sometime after downloading the security module, for those of
> you familiar with the game.
>
> Any ideas on what it could be?

A WAG, and I may be really off on this: Cygwin uses TCP/IP sockets (which
essentially require a TCP/IP port) to emulate Unix domain sockets.  If
rxvt reserves a Unix domain socket (even if it's not using X), and DoD
tries to access the same port, because it's somehow predefined and it
expects it to be free, there could be a conflict.  I can't think of
anything else in Cygwin that would interfere with a (presumably)
non-Cygwin application.

If my WAG pans out, it looks like a bug in DoD...
Igor
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