Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
At 01:06 AM 1/17/2004, Christopher Faylor you wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:01:17PM -0800, Peter Skj?tt Larsen wrote: While realizing that this list is not about SFU, closer examination reveals that the dev environment in SFU 3.5 (and prior versions) is gcc and SFU allows for Visual Studio to be invoked as well - e.g. $CC implies by default the visual studio (command line) compiler. Don't pick the standard install however, some useful things are not turned on by default! And, so, with this message we now step even more firmly into off-topic territory. Maybe you all need to form another mailing list if this is really a hot topic for discussion. Right. Perhaps I should say something here, since it may have been my earlier comments on this subject that made people think that this was a forum open for any and all discussion of SFU. That was not my intent. While I have personal curiosity about SFU and how it may work (or not) with Cygwin, I don't believe that this list is the proper forum for discussing SFU. I do think there is some benefit to the list if someone who's installed it would provide a concise review of it in terms of areas of overlap and not as well as any clashes. This would be information that would be generally useful for the list in terms of recognizing SFU-induced problems in future problem reports (though the resolution is likely to still be don't do that or uninstall SFU). But really any general discussion of SFU is off-topic, just like any general discussion of U/WIN and MKS are off-topic. Sorry if any previous comments from me on this subject generated any confusion. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
SFU installed - rxvt problems
Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 Gerrit -- =^..^= http://nyckelpiga.de/donate.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 It seems there is a global defined variable DISPLAY now which points to 127.0.0.1:0.0. And rxvt reads it and thinks that there is a X-Server running. I'll try it in a few minutes myself. Gruss Olaf Föllinger -- Olaf Föllinger Berater S.E.S.A. Software und Systeme AG Alt-Moabit 91a D-10559 Berlin Germany Tel: +49 30 390722 -291 Fax: +49 30 390722 -222 Mobil: +49 173 6227080 http://www.sesa.de mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 It seems there is a global defined variable DISPLAY now which points to 127.0.0.1:0.0. And rxvt reads it and thinks that there is a X-Server running. Yes, I've defined this always, since I installed the X server for the first time, but rxvt always works also without a running X server. $ cat .bashrc | grep DISPLAY export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 I'll try it in a few minutes myself. Thanks, Gerrit -- =^..^= http://nyckelpiga.de/donate.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 It seems there is a global defined variable DISPLAY now which points to 127.0.0.1:0.0. And rxvt reads it and thinks that there is a X-Server running. Yes, I've defined this always, since I installed the X server for the first time, but rxvt always works also without a running X server. $ cat .bashrc | grep DISPLAY export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 That's right, rxvt works wthout X, but if DISPLAY is dset, then it thinks there is an X-server(at least here). $ export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0;rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 Gruss Olaf Föllinger -- Olaf Föllinger Berater S.E.S.A. Software und Systeme AG Alt-Moabit 91a D-10559 Berlin Germany Tel: +49 30 390722 -291 Fax: +49 30 390722 -222 Mobil: +49 173 6227080 http://www.sesa.de mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 It seems there is a global defined variable DISPLAY now which points to 127.0.0.1:0.0. And rxvt reads it and thinks that there is a X-Server running. Yes, I've defined this always, since I installed the X server for the first time, but rxvt always works also without a running X server. $ cat .bashrc | grep DISPLAY export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 That's right, rxvt works wthout X, but if DISPLAY is dset, then it thinks there is an X-server(at least here). $ export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0;rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 After I uninstalled SFU now, it works again;) And I still have DISPLAY defined in .bashrc. Im starting rxvt directly with a shortcut, then rxvt doesn't see the define in .bashrc until it has started, then bash is started and .bashrc is sourced, so that isn't the problem here. I also verified that DISPLAY wasn't defined as a global environment setting during SFU installation. Gerrit -- =^..^= http://nyckelpiga.de/donate.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 I hope this isn't the start of a lot of posts about SFU. I really don't want to get too bogged down in incompatibilities between cygwin and an essentially competing project. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 I hope this isn't the start of a lot of posts about SFU. I really don't want to get too bogged down in incompatibilities between cygwin and an essentially competing project. A few such posts are actually helpful, to warn people (like me) who might have been tempted to install SFU. Based on posts like Gerrit's, I will probably wait a while, since rxvt is far more important to me than is nfs. Knowing that others find problems is useful information, even if no fixes are forthcoming. ..dave case -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 09:33:51AM -0800, David A. Case wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 I hope this isn't the start of a lot of posts about SFU. I really don't want to get too bogged down in incompatibilities between cygwin and an essentially competing project. A few such posts are actually helpful, to warn people (like me) who might have been tempted to install SFU. Based on posts like Gerrit's, I will probably wait a while, since rxvt is far more important to me than is nfs. Knowing that others find problems is useful information, even if no fixes are forthcoming. The fact that this is useful is really irrelevant. There are all sorts of useful off-topic tidbits that could be posted to the cygwin mailing list. The issue, as always, is remaining on-topic and making sure that this list adheres to its core focus. This isn't a mailing list devoted to various unix packages for windows. It is a mailing list for the cygwin unix application for windows. I have no problem with some minor chatter, along the lines of general discussions about shell programming that crop up from time to time. I just don't want it to get out of hand. -- Please use the resources at cygwin.com rather than sending personal email. Special for spam email harvesters: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and be permanently blocked from mailing lists at sources.redhat.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 09:33:51AM -0800, David A. Case wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 I hope this isn't the start of a lot of posts about SFU. I really don't want to get too bogged down in incompatibilities between cygwin and an essentially competing project. A few such posts are actually helpful, to warn people (like me) who might have been tempted to install SFU. Based on posts like Gerrit's, I will probably wait a while, since rxvt is far more important to me than is nfs. Knowing that others find problems is useful information, even if no fixes are forthcoming. The fact that this is useful is really irrelevant. There are all sorts of useful off-topic tidbits that could be posted to the cygwin mailing list. The issue, as always, is remaining on-topic and making sure that this list adheres to its core focus. This isn't a mailing list devoted to various unix packages for windows. It is a mailing list for the cygwin unix application for windows. I have no problem with some minor chatter, along the lines of general discussions about shell programming that crop up from time to time. I just don't want it to get out of hand. Well, if you read this thread as SFU makes Cygwin sick. Bad SFU! Uninstall it., it seems rather on-topic for the Cygwin community... :-) But then, I guess if you install two or more competing products together, you're generally on your own anyway. Ok, no more noise from me[*]... Igor [*] ...in this thread ;-) -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: SFU installed - rxvt problems
I tried SFU. Hated it. Going back to Cygwin. It requires Visual C++. I have that, but I don't like the fact that it really can't compile any of my software. Only Cygwin and Mingw can. Visual Studio Too, but that's because I want MP3 capabiilty on my songs. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerrit P. Haase Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 It seems there is a global defined variable DISPLAY now which points to 127.0.0.1:0.0. And rxvt reads it and thinks that there is a X-Server running. Yes, I've defined this always, since I installed the X server for the first time, but rxvt always works also without a running X server. $ cat .bashrc | grep DISPLAY export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 That's right, rxvt works wthout X, but if DISPLAY is dset, then it thinks there is an X-server(at least here). $ export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0;rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 After I uninstalled SFU now, it works again;) And I still have DISPLAY defined in .bashrc. Im starting rxvt directly with a shortcut, then rxvt doesn't see the define in .bashrc until it has started, then bash is started and .bashrc is sourced, so that isn't the problem here. I also verified that DISPLAY wasn't defined as a global environment setting during SFU installation. Gerrit -- =^..^= http://nyckelpiga.de/donate.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: SFU installed - rxvt problems
While realizing that this list is not about SFU, closer examination reveals that the dev environment in SFU 3.5 (and prior versions) is gcc and SFU allows for Visual Studio to be invoked as well - e.g. $CC implies by default the visual studio (command line) compiler. Don't pick the standard install however, some useful things are not turned on by default! Kind Regards Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McNulty Junior Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:45 PM To: 'Gerrit P. Haase'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SFU installed - rxvt problems I tried SFU. Hated it. Going back to Cygwin. It requires Visual C++. I have that, but I don't like the fact that it really can't compile any of my software. Only Cygwin and Mingw can. Visual Studio Too, but that's because I want MP3 capabiilty on my songs. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerrit P. Haase Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Olaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Hallo, I don't know if SFU is the reason, but after installing it and rebooting the computer I cannot open a rxvt terminal without running X. It complains: $ /usr/bin/rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 It seems there is a global defined variable DISPLAY now which points to 127.0.0.1:0.0. And rxvt reads it and thinks that there is a X-Server running. Yes, I've defined this always, since I installed the X server for the first time, but rxvt always works also without a running X server. $ cat .bashrc | grep DISPLAY export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 That's right, rxvt works wthout X, but if DISPLAY is dset, then it thinks there is an X-server(at least here). $ export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0;rxvt rxvt: can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 After I uninstalled SFU now, it works again;) And I still have DISPLAY defined in .bashrc. Im starting rxvt directly with a shortcut, then rxvt doesn't see the define in .bashrc until it has started, then bash is started and .bashrc is sourced, so that isn't the problem here. I also verified that DISPLAY wasn't defined as a global environment setting during SFU installation. Gerrit -- =^..^= http://nyckelpiga.de/donate.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: SFU installed - rxvt problems
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:01:17PM -0800, Peter Skj?tt Larsen wrote: While realizing that this list is not about SFU, closer examination reveals that the dev environment in SFU 3.5 (and prior versions) is gcc and SFU allows for Visual Studio to be invoked as well - e.g. $CC implies by default the visual studio (command line) compiler. Don't pick the standard install however, some useful things are not turned on by default! And, so, with this message we now step even more firmly into off-topic territory. Maybe you all need to form another mailing list if this is really a hot topic for discussion. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
