Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Soren Andersen]

Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 03:15:25PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:44:00PM +0200, Michael Schaap wrote:
> > The problem is: what GUI?
> 
> Exactly.
{...}
> Not me ;-)  I have no idea what gvim is actually good for.
> The non-GUI version runs very nicely inside of xterm or rxvt,
> so what?   <-- just a rethorical question

Ah, this gives me an opportunity to say how great it is that Vim is
packaged for Cygwin, thanks Corinna. Believe it or not I ran cygwin all
these years without its native Vim installed until the other day, when I
got around to updating my rather long-neglected (like:5 months) cygwin
installation on Win9x. On impulse I selected "Vim" and boy was I happy
when I could just fire it up for some quick rcfile editing work and so
forth.

Now as to the rhetorical question: "what is GVim actually good for?"
With a tool as fundamentally important to programmer/admins as the text
editor, of course there are reasons to want one thing over another
thing. One thing that is great about GVim is its capability to act as a
"server" which can receive remote commands. This is surprisingly useful
and allows for a lot of creative computing once one begins to explore
it.

Another thing important to some of us is that the display capabilities
of the GUI version (GVim) of course excel far beyond the limitations
imposed by the console. Aside from different languages (human), fonts
and charsets and kbd mappings being possible, there is the superb GVim
syntax-hilighting capabilities which I am always showing off in source
code posted on my website
(http://home.att.net/~perlspinr/browse_site.html). Even if the syntax
hilighting (or degree thereof) seems like mostly a toy to a given
person, to the next one it can be very significant.

All-in-all I think both Vim and GVim have their place. I use Vim (in the
terminal) about 75% of the time now, because much of my work is
currently little systems-admining type of tasks and I can get the needed
edits done quickest that way. For larger jobs where I might be working
on the same file(s) for hours ... days ... (argh) weeks at a time, I much
prefer to be using GVim where the fonts are better and much more
convenience is available.

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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Michael Schaap]

Corinna Vinschen wrote:

I have no idea what gvim is actually good for.
The non-GUI version runs very nicely inside of xterm or rxvt,
so what?
For me, mostly force of habit, these days.  Mouse support under rxvt is 
now pretty decent (hmm...  looks like dragging the status bar between 
two split windows doesn't work in rxvt), color support is OK (although 
you're limited to the standard colors, and there's no bold, 
italic and underline, for instance).  I guess the main 
convenience of using gvim, for me, is that it frees up my terminal to do 
other stuff (like, follow the instructions in the README.txt I just opened).

  <-- just a rethorical question

Oh.  Sorry...  ;-)

- Michael

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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:44:00PM +0200, Michael Schaap wrote:
> The problem is: what GUI?

Exactly.

> An X-based GUI would be an option, but that would require you to run an 
> X server, such as Cygwin-XFree, whenever you want to run gvim.  (Also, 
> to have a decent looking GUI, you'd need some GUI toolkit like GTK 
> available.)

No problem.  I did already compile gvim with gtk.  Looks ok, is
usable and would probably be a nice addition to our Cygwin/XFree86
packages.

> Somewhere deep down on my rainy day list is a plan to port the Win32 GUI 
> to the UNIX (./configure; make) based vim build.  (With some cygwin path 
> conversion functions inserted here and there, so that the dialog boxes 
> use Win32 paths, as they have to, but within gvim, Posix paths are 
> used.)  Don't hold your breath though, and if someone beats me to it, 
> great!  :-)

Not me ;-)  I have no idea what gvim is actually good for.
The non-GUI version runs very nicely inside of xterm or rxvt,
so what?   <-- just a rethorical question


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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Michael Schaap]

Corinna Vinschen wrote:

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:36:07PM -0400, Brett  Serkez (cygwin) wrote:
 

Corinna,

Looks like this version of vim doesn't have GUI support compiled in.  

Are there any plans to build GUI support so that vim -g works on Cygwin?
   

Nope.  If anybody wants to contribute and maintain an additional "gvim"
package, feel free.
The problem is: what GUI?

An X-based GUI would be an option, but that would require you to run an 
X server, such as Cygwin-XFree, whenever you want to run gvim.  (Also, 
to have a decent looking GUI, you'd need some GUI toolkit like GTK 
available.)

The Win32 GUI is not ported to Cygwin.  If you use Make_cyg.mak, you get 
a Win32 gvim.exe, not a Cygwin gvim.exe.  (If you use USEDLL=yes, you 
seem to get a weird hybrid Win32/Cygwin app, which is probably not safe 
to use.)

Somewhere deep down on my rainy day list is a plan to port the Win32 GUI 
to the UNIX (./configure; make) based vim build.  (With some cygwin path 
conversion functions inserted here and there, so that the dialog boxes 
use Win32 paths, as they have to, but within gvim, Posix paths are 
used.)  Don't hold your breath though, and if someone beats me to it, 
great!  :-)

- Michael

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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:36:07PM -0400, Brett  Serkez (cygwin) wrote:
> Corinna,
> 
> Looks like this version of vim doesn't have GUI support compiled in.  
> 
> Are there any plans to build GUI support so that vim -g works on Cygwin?

Nope.  If anybody wants to contribute and maintain an additional "gvim"
package, feel free.

Corinna

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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Elfyn McBratney wrote:

> > >Looks like this version of vim doesn't have GUI support compiled in.
> > >
> > >Are there any plans to build GUI support so that vim -g works on Cygwin?
> >
> > A search of the mailing list archives for 'gvim corinna' would probably
> > be enlightening.
> >
> > cgf
>
> 
> Quite. :-)
> Elfyn

OTOH,  produces
way too many matches.
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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Elfyn McBratney]

> >Looks like this version of vim doesn't have GUI support compiled in.
> >
> >Are there any plans to build GUI support so that vim -g works on Cygwin?
>
> A search of the mailing list archives for 'gvim corinna' would probably
> be enlightening.
>
> cgf



 Quite. :-)

Elfyn



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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:36:07PM -0400, Brett  Serkez (cygwin) wrote:
>Looks like this version of vim doesn't have GUI support compiled in.  
>
>Are there any plans to build GUI support so that vim -g works on Cygwin?

A search of the mailing list archives for 'gvim corinna' would probably
be enlightening.

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Re: Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Brett Serkez \(cygwin\)]

Corinna,

Looks like this version of vim doesn't have GUI support compiled in.  

Are there any plans to build GUI support so that vim -g works on Cygwin?

Thanks,

Brett

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- Original Message - 
From: "Corinna Vinschen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: Updated: vim-6.2-1


> I've updated the version of vim to 6.2-1.
> 
> This version is an update to the today's release of Vim 6.2.
> 
> It should be available on the mirrors within a few hours.  Like previous
> versions it's build with multibyte editing support but without any
> interpreter support.
> 
> The official release message:
> ===
> Announcing:  Vim (Vi IMproved) version 6.2 - the Amiga memorial edition
> Author:  Bram Moolenaar et al.
> 
> 
> Announcement
> 
> 
> This is a bugfix release of Vim.  Since Vim 6.1 hundreds of reported
> problems have been fixed.  Also included are new and updated syntax
> files, translated menus and messages.
> 
> The main new features are:
> - Support for GTK 2. (Daniel Elstner)
> - Support for editing Arabic text. (Nadim Shaikli & Isam Bayazidi)
> - ":try" command and exception handling. (Servatius Brandt)
> - Support for the neXtaw GUI toolkit (mostly like Athena). (Alexey Froloff)
> - Cscope support for Win32. (Sergey Khorev)
> - Support for PostScript printing in various 8-bit encodings. (Mike Williams)
> 
> Once you have installed 6.2 you can find details about the changes
> since Vim 6.1 with ":help version-6.2".  There is a long list of fixed
> bugs.
> 
> What is Vim?
> 
> 
> Vim is an almost 100% compatible version of the UNIX editor Vi.  Many new
> features have been added: Multi level undo, syntax highlighting, command line  
> history, filename completion, block operations, etc.  Those who don't know Vi
> can probably skip this message, unless you are prepared to learn something new
> and useful.  Vim is especially recommended for editing programs.
> 
> Vim runs on almost any Unix flavor, MS-DOS, MS-Windows 3.1, MS-Windows
> 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP, OS/2, Atari MiNT, BeOS, VMS, RISC OS, Macintosh and
> Amiga.
> 
> For more information, see http://www.vim.org.  This is also a great place
> to find Vim tips and scripts!
> 
> Where to get it
> ---
> 
> Information about which files to download for what system:
> 
> http://www.vim.org/download.php
> 
> All files can be found below these directories:
> 
> ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/
> http://ftp.vim.org/editors/vim/
> 
> A list of mirror sites can be found here:
> 
> http://www.vim.org/mirrors.php
> 
> An overview of the files:
> 
> UNIX:
> unix/vim-6.2.tar.bz2sources + runtime files, bzip2 compressed
>   unix/vim-6.2-rt1.tar.gz runtime files part 1
>   unix/vim-6.2-rt2.tar.gz runtime files part 2
>   unix/vim-6.2-src1.tar.gzsources part 1
>   unix/vim-6.2-src2.tar.gzsources part 2
> unix/vim-6.1-6.2.diff.gzdiff between 6.1 and 6.2
> 
> VARIOUS:
> extra/vim-6.2-extra.tar.gz  extra files
> extra/vim-6.2-lang.tar.gz   multi-language files
> extra/vim-6.1-6.2-extra.diff.gz extra files diff
> extra/vim-6.1-6.2-lang.diff.gz  language files diff
> doc/vim62html.zip   help files converted to HTML
> 
> MS-WINDOWS:
> pc/gvim62.exe   self-installing, includes all runtime files
> pc/vim62rt.zip  runtime files (all of them)
> pc/vim62lang.zipfiles for translated messages and menus
> pc/gvim62.zip   GUI binary for Windows 95/98/NT/2000/XP
> pc/gvim62ole.zipGUI binary with OLE support
> pc/vim62d16.zip 16 bits real mode - works on any system
> pc/vim62d32.zip 32 bits protected mode - needs 386 and DPMI
> pc/vim62w32.zip console version for Windows NT/2000/XP
> pc/vim62src.zip sources for PC (with CR-LF)
> 
> AMIGA:
> amiga/vim62rt.tgz   runtime files (always needed)
> amiga/vim62src.tgz  sources packed for Amiga
> (no binary yet, sorry)
> 
> 
> Mailing lists
> -
> 
> For user questions you can turn to the Vim mailing list.  There are a
> lot of tips, scripts and solutions.  You can ask your Vim questions, but
> only if you subscribe.  See http://www.vim.org/maillist.php.  An archive
> is kept at http://groups.yahoo.com

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: vim-6.2-1

[Corinna Vinschen]

I've updated the version of vim to 6.2-1.

This version is an update to the today's release of Vim 6.2.

It should be available on the mirrors within a few hours.  Like previous
versions it's build with multibyte editing support but without any
interpreter support.

The official release message:
===
Announcing:  Vim (Vi IMproved) version 6.2 - the Amiga memorial edition
Author:  Bram Moolenaar et al.


Announcement


This is a bugfix release of Vim.  Since Vim 6.1 hundreds of reported
problems have been fixed.  Also included are new and updated syntax
files, translated menus and messages.

The main new features are:
- Support for GTK 2. (Daniel Elstner)
- Support for editing Arabic text. (Nadim Shaikli & Isam Bayazidi)
- ":try" command and exception handling. (Servatius Brandt)
- Support for the neXtaw GUI toolkit (mostly like Athena). (Alexey Froloff)
- Cscope support for Win32. (Sergey Khorev)
- Support for PostScript printing in various 8-bit encodings. (Mike Williams)

Once you have installed 6.2 you can find details about the changes
since Vim 6.1 with ":help version-6.2".  There is a long list of fixed
bugs.

What is Vim?


Vim is an almost 100% compatible version of the UNIX editor Vi.  Many new
features have been added: Multi level undo, syntax highlighting, command line  
history, filename completion, block operations, etc.  Those who don't know Vi
can probably skip this message, unless you are prepared to learn something new
and useful.  Vim is especially recommended for editing programs.

Vim runs on almost any Unix flavor, MS-DOS, MS-Windows 3.1, MS-Windows
95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP, OS/2, Atari MiNT, BeOS, VMS, RISC OS, Macintosh and
Amiga.

For more information, see http://www.vim.org.  This is also a great place
to find Vim tips and scripts!

Where to get it
---

Information about which files to download for what system:

http://www.vim.org/download.php

All files can be found below these directories:

ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/
http://ftp.vim.org/editors/vim/

A list of mirror sites can be found here:

http://www.vim.org/mirrors.php

An overview of the files:

UNIX:
unix/vim-6.2.tar.bz2sources + runtime files, bzip2 compressed
  unix/vim-6.2-rt1.tar.gz runtime files part 1
  unix/vim-6.2-rt2.tar.gz runtime files part 2
  unix/vim-6.2-src1.tar.gzsources part 1
  unix/vim-6.2-src2.tar.gzsources part 2
unix/vim-6.1-6.2.diff.gzdiff between 6.1 and 6.2

VARIOUS:
extra/vim-6.2-extra.tar.gz  extra files
extra/vim-6.2-lang.tar.gz   multi-language files
extra/vim-6.1-6.2-extra.diff.gz extra files diff
extra/vim-6.1-6.2-lang.diff.gz  language files diff
doc/vim62html.zip   help files converted to HTML

MS-WINDOWS:
pc/gvim62.exe   self-installing, includes all runtime files
pc/vim62rt.zip  runtime files (all of them)
pc/vim62lang.zipfiles for translated messages and menus
pc/gvim62.zip   GUI binary for Windows 95/98/NT/2000/XP
pc/gvim62ole.zipGUI binary with OLE support
pc/vim62d16.zip 16 bits real mode - works on any system
pc/vim62d32.zip 32 bits protected mode - needs 386 and DPMI
pc/vim62w32.zip console version for Windows NT/2000/XP
pc/vim62src.zip sources for PC (with CR-LF)

AMIGA:
amiga/vim62rt.tgz   runtime files (always needed)
amiga/vim62src.tgz  sources packed for Amiga
(no binary yet, sorry)


Mailing lists
-

For user questions you can turn to the Vim mailing list.  There are a
lot of tips, scripts and solutions.  You can ask your Vim questions, but
only if you subscribe.  See http://www.vim.org/maillist.php.  An archive
is kept at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim.

If you want to help Vim development or get the latest patches, subscribe
to the vim-dev mailing list.  An archive is kept at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev.

Subject specific lists:
Multi-byte issues: vim-multibyte  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-multibyte
Macintosh issues:  vim-machttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-mac


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