Re: interactive hg (mercurial) using ssh is getting authentication failures to sourceforge

2014-05-12 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Ernie Rael!

 At the end of this post, there is experimental evidence that the ssh is
 disasociated from the tty in the when spawned by hg.

 NOTE: hg is a Win7 command, not compiled with the cygwin dll.

Don't you see anything suspicious here?


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Andrey Repin (anrdae...@yandex.ru) 12.05.2014, 15:20

Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: interactive hg (mercurial) using ssh is getting authentication failures to sourceforge

2014-05-12 Thread Ernie Rael

On 5/12/2014 4:20 AM, Andrey Repin wrote:

Greetings, Ernie Rael!


At the end of this post, there is experimental evidence that the ssh is
disasociated from the tty in the when spawned by hg.
NOTE: hg is a Win7 command, not compiled with the cygwin dll.

Don't you see anything suspicious here?

Right you are. After I posted, I realized I hadn't clearly stated my 
questions. This could be something about my setup, but... I've only just 
joined this mailing list; I don't have an historical perspective.


Is this expected behavior? If so, any idea what changed over the last 6 
- 9 months? Was this a conscious change in behavior?


I'd been using this setup for years; the old behavior, which gives a 
higher degree of interoperability (at least in this case), is certainly 
natural. If the Win program didn't do anything explicit to disassociate 
from the tty, why shouldn't it work? Does windows have a concept of 
controlling tty? Is there something mercurial/python could, as a native 
app, that would get this to work?


I know little about windows' internals. I understand that even though it 
used to work, that it may have been a 'fortunate accident.


-ernie

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Re: interactive hg (mercurial) using ssh is getting authentication failures to sourceforge

2014-05-12 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)

On 05/12/2014 09:21 AM, Ernie Rael wrote:

On 5/12/2014 4:20 AM, Andrey Repin wrote:

Greetings, Ernie Rael!


At the end of this post, there is experimental evidence that the ssh is
disasociated from the tty in the when spawned by hg.
NOTE: hg is a Win7 command, not compiled with the cygwin dll.

Don't you see anything suspicious here?


Right you are. After I posted, I realized I hadn't clearly stated my
questions. This could be something about my setup, but... I've only just
joined this mailing list; I don't have an historical perspective.

Is this expected behavior? If so, any idea what changed over the last 6 - 9
months? Was this a conscious change in behavior?

I'd been using this setup for years; the old behavior, which gives a higher
degree of interoperability (at least in this case), is certainly natural. If
the Win program didn't do anything explicit to disassociate from the tty,
why shouldn't it work? Does windows have a concept of controlling tty? Is
there something mercurial/python could, as a native app, that would get this
to work?

I know little about windows' internals. I understand that even though it
used to work, that it may have been a 'fortunate accident.


I believe the point that Andrey's making is that 'hg' being a Windows
native app is significant in your workflow.  When you wander into the
area that involves ttys, there are more restrictions on what will work.
Windows doesn't have ttys and Cygwin emulates them.  Mixing tools
which don't understand ttys with those that emulate them is not a
recipe for success, even if things work OK in some situations.  Your
simplest route to a solution may be to just use the Cygwin version
of 'hg'.


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