Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Ok, more info The cron tasks are running as normal when I try to log off, its just that windows can't forcibly terminate them when it tries to close everything and has to sit there waiting for the cron jobs to finish (can be up to 30 minutes for backing up a lot of changes). The pre-20th September version of cygwin has no problem terminating the cron jobs (I still have several machines running that version and the same script), so what's changed in the latest version to cause this? I'm beginning to suspect It probably is to do with Pierre's permission stuff. Because the cron jobs are run from a daemon running as SYSTEM, the user log off procedure can't kill the parent task, but the children tasks *are* user tasks and maybe it can't kill these because they were created by SYSTEM? Just clutching at straws as right now I don't have my backup system working (unless I put up with 30 minute logoff times) and I want it back :-( Any help much appreciated. - Q-Games, Dylan Cuthbert. http://www.q-games.com "Christopher Faylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 07:50:34PM +0900, Dylan Cuthbert wrote: > >Ok, here are the ps results... I can see three cron tasks with the I field > >set (Interactive?) which is very odd as my backup script doesn't have any > >input (I've attached the script and the output) > > 'I'nput. That would indicate that cron is waiting for some kind of file I/O. > > cgf > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 08:33:18PM -0700, Karl M wrote: >Hi All... > >Now Chris, you promised to stop with taking over the computers. I >think that taking over the users' brai > >click > >Yes Chris, you are correct. Everything is as it should be. Sorry to >disturb you. > >Thanks, > >...Karl It's working! It's working! Oh, boy. This is nifty! Wait. Nifty isn't a properly fiendish term. . . . Exxxccelllenttt... cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Hi All... Now Chris, you promised to stop with taking over the computers. I think that taking over the users' brai click Yes Chris, you are correct. Everything is as it should be. Sorry to disturb you. Thanks, ...Karl From: Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:34:28 -0400 On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:53:54AM +0900, Dylan Cuthbert wrote: >Stranger and stranger. > >As there are only 3 in the task list it means that quite a few of the >cron jobs are finishing ok. (I run it every hour) > >But more importantly, why can't winxp kill those tasks properly when I >log off or shutdown? And why has it only started happening in this >latest version of cygwin? I'm glad to see that cygwin is so powerful that it can create unkillable processes. It warms my heart to see that it is gaining in strength and ability. Soon, you won't be able to turn off your machine at all if cygwin is running on it. At that point, cygwin's true insidious purpose will finally be revealed. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ _ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
those damn double-bluffs again ;-) "Christopher Faylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:53:54AM +0900, Dylan Cuthbert wrote: > I'm glad to see that cygwin is so powerful that it can create unkillable > processes. It warms my heart to see that it is gaining in strength and > ability. Soon, you won't be able to turn off your machine at all if > cygwin is running on it. At that point, cygwin's true insidious purpose > will finally be revealed. > > cgf > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:53:54AM +0900, Dylan Cuthbert wrote: >Stranger and stranger. > >As there are only 3 in the task list it means that quite a few of the >cron jobs are finishing ok. (I run it every hour) > >But more importantly, why can't winxp kill those tasks properly when I >log off or shutdown? And why has it only started happening in this >latest version of cygwin? I'm glad to see that cygwin is so powerful that it can create unkillable processes. It warms my heart to see that it is gaining in strength and ability. Soon, you won't be able to turn off your machine at all if cygwin is running on it. At that point, cygwin's true insidious purpose will finally be revealed. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Stranger and stranger. As there are only 3 in the task list it means that quite a few of the cron jobs are finishing ok. (I run it every hour) But more importantly, why can't winxp kill those tasks properly when I log off or shutdown? And why has it only started happening in this latest version of cygwin? Regards - Q-Games, Dylan Cuthbert. http://www.q-games.com "Christopher Faylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 07:50:34PM +0900, Dylan Cuthbert wrote: > >Ok, here are the ps results... I can see three cron tasks with the I field > >set (Interactive?) which is very odd as my backup script doesn't have any > >input (I've attached the script and the output) > > 'I'nput. That would indicate that cron is waiting for some kind of file I/O. > > cgf > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 07:50:34PM +0900, Dylan Cuthbert wrote: >Ok, here are the ps results... I can see three cron tasks with the I field >set (Interactive?) which is very odd as my backup script doesn't have any >input (I've attached the script and the output) 'I'nput. That would indicate that cron is waiting for some kind of file I/O. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Ok, here are the ps results... I can see three cron tasks with the I field set (Interactive?) which is very odd as my backup script doesn't have any input (I've attached the script and the output) maybe cron isn't able to close the shells it creates to run the jobs properly? Any ideas? - Q-Games, Dylan Cuthbert. http://www.q-games.com "Andrew DeFaria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dylan Cuthbert wrote: > > > The problem: > > > > After about a day's work I go to logoff or shutdown and the machine > > just sits there, fully operational and "in the process of logging > > off", so I can't open any new tasks but I can open up a file explorer > > window or the start menu etc. If I wait long enough (and I mean 15 > > minutes to several hours) the machine will eventually log off > > succussfully. > > While in this "in the process of logging off" mode, start the > TaskManager (or better yet have the TaskManager running when you attempt > shutdown), then selectively start killing processes. If you kill a > process and wham you logout that's probably the culprit! > > Note you cannot kill services with the TaskManager. You can either: > Start the Services applet and attempt to shutdown the services or have a > console window running and try net stop "sevice name" or do what I do, > get Process Explorer from SysInternals which allows you to kill services. > > Good luck. > > > backup-sh.tgz Description: Binary data PIDPPIDPGID WINPID TTY UIDSTIME COMMAND 1368 11368 1368? 18 10:46:45 /usr/bin/cygrunsrv 136413681368 1620? 18 10:46:45 /usr/sbin/cron 3892 13892 38920 12000 11:03:04 /usr/bin/rxvt I392838923928 39441 12000 11:03:04 /usr/bin/bash I239613641368 2396? 18 16:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron 235223962352 2604? 12000 16:00:02 /usr/bin/sh 408823522352 2680? 12000 16:00:02 /usr/bin/bash 80440882352 2620? 12000 16:42:35 /usr/bin/rsync 1492 8042352 1492? 12000 16:42:35 /usr/bin/rsync I264013641368 2640? 18 17:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron 339626403396 2380? 12000 17:00:02 /usr/bin/sh 238433963396 1284? 12000 17:00:02 /usr/bin/bash 232823843396 2928? 12000 17:30:10 /usr/bin/rsync 282423283396 2824? 12000 17:30:10 /usr/bin/rsync I 90413641368904? 18 19:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron 2192 9042192 3076? 12000 19:00:03 /usr/bin/sh 340821922192 2332? 12000 19:00:03 /usr/bin/bash 189634082192300? 12000 19:04:44 /usr/bin/rsync 248818962192 2488? 12000 19:04:45 /usr/bin/rsync 3480 13480 34804 12000 19:46:39 /usr/bin/rxvt 5083480 508 36365 12000 19:46:39 /usr/bin/bash 2944 5082944 19445 12000 19:48:29 /usr/bin/ps PIDPPIDPGID WINPID TTY UIDSTIME COMMAND 1368 11368 1368? 18 10:46:45 /usr/bin/cygrunsrv 1912 0 0 1912?0 10:47:38 C:\WINXP\Explorer.EXE 248 0 0248?0 10:47:39 C:\WINXP\System32\conime.exe 1872 0 0 1872?0 10:47:40 C:\WINXP\System32\ctfmon.exe 704 0 0704?0 10:47:42 C:\Program Files\Elaborate Bytes\CloneCD\CloneCDTray.exe 612 0 0612?0 10:47:42 C:\Program Files\D-Tools\daemon.exe 1068 0 0 1068?0 10:47:42 C:\WINXP\SOUNDMAN.EXE 1748 0 0 1748?0 10:47:43 C:\Program Files\Logitech\MouseWare\system\em_exec.exe 588 0 0588?0 10:47:43 C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe 712 0 0712?0 10:47:44 D:\tools\jajc\jajc.exe 1204 0 0 1204?0 10:47:44 C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe 1236 0 0 1236?0 10:47:45 C:\Program Files\RSNet\RSEDNClient.exe 1572 0 0 1572?0 10:47:45 C:\Program Files\Gigabyte\Gigabyte Windows Utility Manager\gwum.exe 1684 0 0 1684?0 10:47:45 C:\Program Files\SonyPDA\Hotsync.exe 1104 0 0 1104?0 10:47:46 C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org1.1\program\soffice.exe 492 0 0492?0 10:47:47 C:\Program Files\One Guy Coding\Vern 3.2\vern32.exe 2972 0 0 2972?0 10:47:59 C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe 3884 0 0 3884?0 11:03:04 C:\WINXP\system32\cmd.exe 3892 13892 38920 12000 11:03:04 /usr/bin/rxvt 3944 0 0
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Sorry, forgot to mention, a real nasty side effect: I cannot run the task manager - Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work! So all I can do is just sit there twiddling my thumbs. I will try running the task manager *before* attempting to log off though and see what's going on. I will also run ps -W, ps -a and netstat -an before attempting it too, and post all the results here tomorrow (I have to wait a day for this problem to occur each time so the turn-around is a bit longwinded) Regards - Q-Games, Dylan Cuthbert. http://www.q-games.com "Andrew DeFaria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dylan Cuthbert wrote: > > > The problem: > > > > After about a day's work I go to logoff or shutdown and the machine > > just sits there, fully operational and "in the process of logging > > off", so I can't open any new tasks but I can open up a file explorer > > window or the start menu etc. If I wait long enough (and I mean 15 > > minutes to several hours) the machine will eventually log off > > succussfully. > > While in this "in the process of logging off" mode, start the > TaskManager (or better yet have the TaskManager running when you attempt > shutdown), then selectively start killing processes. If you kill a > process and wham you logout that's probably the culprit! > > Note you cannot kill services with the TaskManager. You can either: > Start the Services applet and attempt to shutdown the services or have a > console window running and try net stop "sevice name" or do what I do, > get Process Explorer from SysInternals which allows you to kill services. > > Good luck. > > > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Dylan Cuthbert wrote: > The problem: > > After about a day's work I go to logoff or shutdown and the machine > just sits there, fully operational and "in the process of logging > off", so I can't open any new tasks but I can open up a file explorer > window or the start menu etc. If I wait long enough (and I mean 15 > minutes to several hours) the machine will eventually log off > succussfully. While in this "in the process of logging off" mode, start the TaskManager (or better yet have the TaskManager running when you attempt shutdown), then selectively start killing processes. If you kill a process and wham you logout that's probably the culprit! Note you cannot kill services with the TaskManager. You can either: Start the Services applet and attempt to shutdown the services or have a console window running and try net stop "sevice name" or do what I do, get Process Explorer from SysInternals which allows you to kill services. Good luck. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
long timeouts on shutdown/log off
Hi there, Since upgrading to the latest version of cygwin (20th Sept version?) I've had a couple of problems - one has been resolved by Pierre (the admin group filemapping problem). However, Pierre thinks the other problem I'm having isn't related to that and he suggested posting it again to the list. The problem: After about a day's work I go to logoff or shutdown and the machine just sits there, fully operational and "in the process of logging off", so I can't open any new tasks but I can open up a file explorer window or the start menu etc. If I wait long enough (and I mean 15 minutes to several hours) the machine will eventually log off succussfully. The Probable Suspect: I run an hourly cron job (just a simple shell script) on my domain user (\\q-domain\dylan) that backs up to a linux server using RSYNC. If I disable this service (daemon) I don't get the problem. This daemon and script has been running on my machine for a month or so before the 20th september version of cygwin with no problems whatsoever. The user on this machine is a domain user, and the PDC is a linux redhat 8 server with the vanilla samba installed on it. The domain user only has local Power User privileges. Following Pierre's advice regarding the FileMapping problem the user's group in /etc/group is the domain group "q-games"'s SID. (not sure if this is relevant to this problem) Regards -- - Q-Games, Dylan Cuthbert. http://www.q-games.com Cygwin Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics Current System Time: Fri Oct 17 11:04:02 2003 Windows XP Professional Ver 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Path: d:\cygwin\usr\local\bin d:\cygwin\bin d:\cygwin\bin . c:\Program Files\Intel\IDE\C++\VSNet2002 c:\Program Files\Intel\ICID70 c:\Program Files\Intel\Compiler70\IA32\bin c:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\Shared Files\Ia32\bin c:\Program Files\Intel\EDB70 c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET\Common7\IDE c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET\VC7\BIN c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET\Common7\Tools c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET\Common7\Tools\bin\prerelease c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET\Common7\Tools\bin c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET\FrameworkSDK\bin c:\WINXP\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.0.3705 c:\Tcl\bin c:\Program Files\Intel\ISelect\Bin c:\Program Files\Intel\EDB70 c:\Program Files\Intel\Compiler70\IA32\Bin c:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\Shared Files\Ia32\Bin c:\WINXP\system32 c:\WINXP c:\WINXP\System32\Wbem c:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel d:\cygwin\home\dylan\projects\global d:\cygwin\usr\local\bin d:\cygwin\bin c:\program files\j2sdk_nb\j2sdk1.4.2\bin c:\Tcl\bin c:\Program Files\Intel\ISelect\Bin c:\Program Files\Intel\EDB70 c:\Program Files\Intel\Compiler70\IA32\Bin c:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\Shared Files\Ia32\Bin c:\WINXP\system32 c:\WINXP c:\WINXP\System32\Wbem c:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel . d:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin Output from d:\cygwin\bin\id.exe (nontsec) UID: 12000(dylan) GID: 12013(q-games) 12013(q-games) Output from d:\cygwin\bin\id.exe (ntsec) UID: 12000(dylan) GID: 12013(q-games) 547(Power Users) 545(Users) 12013(q-games) SysDir: C:\WINXP\System32 WinDir: C:\WINXP CYGWIN = `ntsec tty' HOME = `d:\cygwin\home\dylan' MAKE_MODE = `unix' PWD = `/home/dylan/test' USER = `dylan' Use `-r' to scan registry a: fd N/AN/A c: hd NTFS 51199Mb 71% CP CS UN PA FC WIN2K d: hd NTFS 44351Mb 82% CP CS UN PA FC WORK e: cd N/AN/A f: cd CDFS 641Mb 100%CS UN BF1942_1 g: cd N/AN/A h: net NTFS 76244Mb 61% CP CSPAdylan i: net NTFS 76190Mb 58% CP CSPAInstall_Disks m: net NTFS 76244Mb 61% CP CSPAmoveabletype p: net NTFS 76190Mb 58% CP CSPAProjectData r: net NTFS 76190Mb 58% CP CSPAArtist_Folder u: net NTFS 76244Mb 61% CP CSPAAdmin-Backups w: net NTFS 76244Mb 61% CP CSPAWeekly y: net NTFS 76244Mb 61% CP CSPAyesterday d:\cygwin / system binmode d:\cygwin/bin /usr/bin system binmode d:\cygwin/lib /usr/lib system binmode d:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts system binmode . /cygdrive system binmode,cygdr
