Re: new package proposal : CLISP

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:09PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Corinna Vinschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-18 21:18:24 +0200]:
> > Still looking for a maintainer?  Actually it's not that hard.  Just
> > keep an eye on the cygwin mailing list.  I honestly doubt that you'll
> > get more than 1 or 2 questions about clisp per week on that list.
> 
> I am always looking for help with CLISP.
> Even a little bit, like packaging the sources is welcome.
> Even more welcome would be "initial bug processing" (i.e., identifying
> whether the bug is cygwin-specific)
> Even more welcome would be fixing all the bugs on the fly.
> Even more welcome 

Guess what we're looking for or would be welcome with respect to Cygwin!
;-)

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Re: new package proposal : CLISP

[Sam Steingold]

> * Corinna Vinschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-18 21:18:24 +0200]:
>
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 11:03:36AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > built against 1.5.3:
> > 
> > ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/cygwin/clisp-2.31-2.tar.bz2
> > ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/cygwin/clisp-2.31-2-src.tar.bz2
> > ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/cygwin/setup.hint
> > 
> > I think I fixed all concerns with the binary package and most concerns
> > with the source one.
> > I would greatly appreciate it if someone took over this package
> > maintenance.  I am the "upstream maintainer" and I have quite enough on
> > my plate with that.
> > 
> > thanks.
> 
> Uploaded.

thanks a lot!

> Please announce on cygwin-announce as described on
> http://cygwin.com/setup.html.

done.

> Still looking for a maintainer?  Actually it's not that hard.  Just
> keep an eye on the cygwin mailing list.  I honestly doubt that you'll
> get more than 1 or 2 questions about clisp per week on that list.

I am always looking for help with CLISP.
Even a little bit, like packaging the sources is welcome.
Even more welcome would be "initial bug processing" (i.e., identifying
whether the bug is cygwin-specific)
Even more welcome would be fixing all the bugs on the fly.
Even more welcome 

> Well... except it has really serious problems in which case you'll be
> glad to know, won't you?

indeed.


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Re: package download stats?

[Robert Collins]

On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 03:18, Christopher Faylor wrote:


> I'm all for adding this to setup but we'll have to wait for Robert to come
> online to see his take on this.

I'm not all that interested, though I will review patches for impact on
setup. Clean design etc etc needed.

It doesn't feel like setup is a good fit:
1) setup isn't the only thing installing cygwin apps's.
2) CD, disconnected installs, rsync copies of mirrors will all throw
this out.

however, the concepts used by popularity contest, - an explicit package
to activate the behaviour, anonymous stats on what packages are
installed (and logging more detail to enhance a hypothetical cygwin
populatiry contest makes a lot of sense for setup).

And there is definately a privacy issue - what about non public
packages. They would show up ...

Rob



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Re: package download stats?

[Robert Collins]

On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 00:56, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:


> FWIW, every setup run makes an http connection to cygwin.com (to get the
> mirror list).  

Not anymore. It will take it from cache if it can.

> We could also have setup connect *after* the download
> (completely optionally, of course), and report the mirrors used plus some
> statistics (OS, packages downloaded, etc -- nothing more revealing than
> would be in the browser HTTP headers or the cygcheck output).  We could
> have a prominent page asking whether the user allows this (yeah, yeah,
> like we need yet another page in the setup sequence).  Just a wild idea...

And don't forget offline installs, CD's etc. See my other email for a
suggestion.

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Re: package download stats?

[Robert Collins]

On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 01:11, Christopher Faylor wrote:


> That's kind of what I was thinking.  I could generate a cgi script to
> run, if necessary but obviously it would need some kind of
> authentication to avoid abuse.  Is there something like this out there
> somewhere?

popularity-contest does something similar in the debian world -
anonymous stats on package use...

Rob

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Re: new package proposal : CLISP

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 11:03:36AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> built against 1.5.3:
> 
> ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/cygwin/clisp-2.31-2.tar.bz2
> ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/cygwin/clisp-2.31-2-src.tar.bz2
> ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/cygwin/setup.hint
> 
> I think I fixed all concerns with the binary package and most concerns
> with the source one.
> I would greatly appreciate it if someone took over this package
> maintenance.  I am the "upstream maintainer" and I have quite enough on
> my plate with that.
> 
> thanks.

Uploaded.  Please announce on cygwin-announce as described on
http://cygwin.com/setup.html.

Still looking for a maintainer?  Actually it's not that hard.  Just keep
an eye on the cygwin mailing list.  I honestly doubt that you'll get more
than 1 or 2 questions about clisp per week on that list.  Well... except
it has really serious problems in which case you'll be glad to know,
won't you?

Corinna

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Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 02:34:26AM +1000, Gareth Pearce wrote:
>In practice there is one niggle, the src package generates
>aspell-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2 already - but it's the amalgam of all of the other
>binary packages.  It produces aspell-bin.  Fixing this will probably only
>take me a couple of minutes (when I get the time say in a couple of days) -
>but I don't think that it should be a show stopper for uploading the rest
>now.
>Renaming the file and changing the hint files are trivial - I'm assuming you
>don't need me to upload them again?  If you do want me to do them then I'll
>do it whenever I see the reply which will be ... after I sleep probably.

I've downloaded everything already.  I'll move the directory now.

(Hmm.  Automatice md5 checksumming of directories in ~ftp seems to be
broken.  Wonderful.)

cgf

Re: package download stats?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:56:14AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>Although, actually, you do need a bit more than that -- at least the
>version of the package and the mirror it was downloaded from, and it would
>also be nice if all the packages were included in one http connection,
>rather than 50 separate connections for 50 packages (the POST method comes
>to mind).
>
>The passthrough script above is something like what I've mentioned as
>having written already (which you so graciously snipped from your reply).
>;-)

Just trying to keep the messages short...

I'm all for adding this to setup but we'll have to wait for Robert to come
online to see his take on this.

cgf

Re: package download stats?

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Christopher Faylor writes:

> Actually, after I said that, I realized that we already gather page hit
> statistics.  I'm more interested in seeing what people actually are
> downloading for packages, though.

What people are actually using may be even more interesting.  Do you
know about Debian's evil popularity contest?

Jan.

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Re: [Package Update] HTML Tidy 030901-1

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:04:27PM +0200, Lapo Luchini wrote:
> http://www.lapo.it/tmp/tidy-030901-1-src.tar.bz2
> http://www.lapo.it/tmp/tidy-030901-1.tar.bz2

Uploaded.  I removed tidy-021202-1.

Corinna

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RE: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Gareth Pearce]

> >AFAIC, we're ready.
> >I'll repeat the URLs for the dictionaries:
> >
> >04be855c088559b4682b5495510234fe *aspell-en-0.51.0-1-src.tar.bz2
> >http://rlc.unsane.co.uk/aspell-en-0.51.0-1-src.tar.bz2
> >33fad88cd4d517596ebab42d368ba750 *aspell-en-0.51.0-1.tar.bz2
> >http://rlc.unsane.co.uk/aspell-en-0.51.0-1.tar.bz2
> >
> >Gareth pointed to the following URLs in
> >http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-09/msg00176.html:
> >
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-0.50.3-1-src.tar.bz2
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-bin-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-bin.setup.hint
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-dev-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-dev.setup.hint
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-doc-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-doc.setup.hint
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/libaspell15-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
> >http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/libaspell15.setup.hint
> >
> >Gareth says in http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-09/msg00179.html
> >that there's no need to mark them as test, despite the fact that the gcc
> >he used is still marked as such. Personally, I'd mark at least aspell-dev
> >as test, seeing as that contains the files that won't work with the
> current
> >gcc, but it's his call (he's the maintainer, after all :)
> 
> I hate to do this at this late point (and I *really* hate it when people
> do it to me) but I didn't notice the slightly nonstandard practice of
> naming the binary 'aspell-bin'.  I'd like to change that.  Otherwise
> we have a base package which only contains source, which is also
> unusual.  I'd prefer to "mv aspell-{bin-,}0.50.3-1.tar.bz2" and
> put it at the top level of the aspell directory and move everything else
> underneath it.
> 
> Gareth, do you have a problem with that?

I have no problem with either of the above 2 points in theory... both the
rename and the marking of aspell-dev as test. (and adding dependency on
aspell-en - from other email)
In practice there is one niggle, the src package generates
aspell-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2 already - but it's the amalgam of all of the other
binary packages.  It produces aspell-bin.  Fixing this will probably only
take me a couple of minutes (when I get the time say in a couple of days) -
but I don't think that it should be a show stopper for uploading the rest
now.
Renaming the file and changing the hint files are trivial - I'm assuming you
don't need me to upload them again?  If you do want me to do them then I'll
do it whenever I see the reply which will be ... after I sleep probably.

Regards,
Gareth

Re: package download stats?

[Lapo Luchini]

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

But, seriously, I just wanted to make it less than trivial to use.  It
shouldn't be as easy as opening
http://cygwin.com/downloadstats.cgi?apache to register an apache download.
   

Yeah, who needs simple stuff?

Although, actually, you do need a bit more than that -- at least the
version of the package and the mirror it was downloaded from, and it would
also be nice if all the packages were included in one http connection,
rather than 50 separate connections for 50 packages (the POST method comes
to mind).
The passthrough script above is something like what I've mentioned as
having written already (which you so graciously snipped from your reply).
;-)
Maybe the message with somewhat a "signature" to complicate things a bit 
and avoid most of the "fake" hits.

MD5 code, that should be already into setup.exe, comes to my mind...

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[Package Update] HTML Tidy 030901-1

[Lapo Luchini]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I updated HTML Tidy to latest version I found yesterday.
As usual many small bug fixes, but difficult to tell as the site is
lacking a Changelog.
This version in based on the tidylib, which is also installed (both
static and shared).
This version, like the original distribution, contains no more a
man page as it is way too outdated, please use "tidy --help".
This releases includes docs dated 2003-06-10 (that are installed) and
tests dates 2003-04-09 (that can be used from the source package to do
"./tidy-030201-1.sh check").
File are, as usual, there:
http://www.lapo.it/tmp/tidy-030901-1-src.tar.bz2
http://www.lapo.it/tmp/tidy-030901-1.tar.bz2
MD5:
8c8f462c6b991cf488560d73a89087e0 tidy-030901-1-src.tar.bz2
5f0ac2a84111ba475b46fcdfa9f52368 tidy-030901-1.tar.bz2
Unchanged setup.hint

@ tidy
sdesc: "HTML Tidy is a program to clean up and correct messy HTML pages"
ldesc: "HTML Tidy is a program to clean up and correct messy HTML pages.
Tidy is able to fix up a wide range of problems and to bring to your
attention things that you need to work on yourself."
category: Text Web
requires: cygwin
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Re: package download stats?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:20:04AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >> That's kind of what I was thinking.  I could generate a cgi script to
> >> run, if necessary but obviously it would need some kind of
> >> authentication to avoid abuse.
> >
> >Hmm, I doubt we can prevent a determined user from faking the necessary
> >setup HTTP headers from outside setup...  Unless we start requiring
> >registration to download Cygwin, which is a whole other can of worms.
>
> Hmm.  I like your registration idea.  There should be a small fee associated
> with registering, too.  And, monthly dues.  And, we could add some checking
> to the DLL to prevent unlicensed use.  Hmm.  I think I have an account
> where people can even use their credit cards to register.  :-)

 :-p

> But, seriously, I just wanted to make it less than trivial to use.  It
> shouldn't be as easy as opening
> http://cygwin.com/downloadstats.cgi?apache to register an apache download.

Yeah, who needs simple stuff?

Although, actually, you do need a bit more than that -- at least the
version of the package and the mirror it was downloaded from, and it would
also be nice if all the packages were included in one http connection,
rather than 50 separate connections for 50 packages (the POST method comes
to mind).

The passthrough script above is something like what I've mentioned as
having written already (which you so graciously snipped from your reply).
;-)

> >That's kind of what I was hinting at when I said "every setup run makes an
> >http connection to cygwin.com".  The problem with this approach is that it
> >won't give any package download statistics, and won't be able to detect
> >aborted setup runs.  Depends on what accuracy you want, I guess...
>
> Actually, after I said that, I realized that we already gather page hit
> statistics.  I'm more interested in seeing what people actually are
> downloading for packages, though.
>
> cgf

Exactly.
Igor
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Re: Sleepycat db 4.1?

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Corinna schrieb:

> Hi Nicholas, hi Gerrit,

> AFAICS, you're the db maintainer.  I would like to ask you, if there's
> something in the way of releasing a 4.1.25 version of db.  It would be
> nice to have it in the Cygwin release since the differences between
> 3.1 and 4.1 are so that some packages already require 4.1 to run (e.g.
> openldap).

I have a version running since several months and it acts well.
I can try to set up a source package which compiles out of the
tarball with shared libs if Nicholas hasn't done it yet, Nicholas?


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Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Ronald Landheer-Cieslak]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:30:32AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:17:44AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> > >I hate to do this at this late point (and I *really* hate it when people
> > >do it to me) but I didn't notice the slightly nonstandard practice of
> > >naming the binary 'aspell-bin'.  I'd like to change that.  Otherwise
> > >we have a base package which only contains source, which is also
> > >unusual.  I'd prefer to "mv aspell-{bin-,}0.50.3-1.tar.bz2" and
> > >put it at the top level of the aspell directory and move everything else
> > >underneath it.
> > >
> > >Gareth, do you have a problem with that?
> >
> > And another point -- I'd like to make aspell depend on aspell-en.
> > Otherwise, I suspect that the cygwin mailing list will be constantly
> > complaining about aspell not working.
> >
> > cgf
> 
> There's no setup.hint for the aspell-en package (which, I assume, will
> depend on aspell).
OK, OK, it's a long while ago, but there actually was one in
http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-06/msg00161.html:

@ aspell-en
sdesc: "Aspell english dictionary"
requires: cygwin aspell
category: Utils

> BTW, beware of circular dependences -- if both aspell
> and aspell-en have postinstall scripts, and the one in aspell-en uses
> aspell, it might be run before aspell's postinstall script runs, so aspell
> may be in an inconsistent state.  I don't think this is a problem, but the
> maintainers should both be aware of this and coordinate the postinstall
> scripts.
Aspell-en doesn't have a post-install script.

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Sleepycat db 4.1?

[Corinna Vinschen]

Hi Nicholas, hi Gerrit,

AFAICS, you're the db maintainer.  I would like to ask you, if there's
something in the way of releasing a 4.1.25 version of db.  It would be
nice to have it in the Cygwin release since the differences between
3.1 and 4.1 are so that some packages already require 4.1 to run (e.g.
openldap).

Corinna

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Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:17:44AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >I hate to do this at this late point (and I *really* hate it when people
> >do it to me) but I didn't notice the slightly nonstandard practice of
> >naming the binary 'aspell-bin'.  I'd like to change that.  Otherwise
> >we have a base package which only contains source, which is also
> >unusual.  I'd prefer to "mv aspell-{bin-,}0.50.3-1.tar.bz2" and
> >put it at the top level of the aspell directory and move everything else
> >underneath it.
> >
> >Gareth, do you have a problem with that?
>
> And another point -- I'd like to make aspell depend on aspell-en.
> Otherwise, I suspect that the cygwin mailing list will be constantly
> complaining about aspell not working.
>
> cgf

There's no setup.hint for the aspell-en package (which, I assume, will
depend on aspell).  BTW, beware of circular dependences -- if both aspell
and aspell-en have postinstall scripts, and the one in aspell-en uses
aspell, it might be run before aspell's postinstall script runs, so aspell
may be in an inconsistent state.  I don't think this is a problem, but the
maintainers should both be aware of this and coordinate the postinstall
scripts.

BTW, I don't have time to look now, but if setup's topological sort
traverses loops alphabetically, the above may be a red herring anyway
(i.e., aspell will always execute before aspell-en in that case).
Igor
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Re: package download stats?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:20:04AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> That's kind of what I was thinking.  I could generate a cgi script to
>> run, if necessary but obviously it would need some kind of
>> authentication to avoid abuse.
>
>Hmm, I doubt we can prevent a determined user from faking the necessary
>setup HTTP headers from outside setup...  Unless we start requiring
>registration to download Cygwin, which is a whole other can of worms.

Hmm.  I like your registration idea.  There should be a small fee associated
with registering, too.  And, monthly dues.  And, we could add some checking
to the DLL to prevent unlicensed use.  Hmm.  I think I have an account
where people can even use their credit cards to register.  :-)

But, seriously, I just wanted to make it less than trivial to use.  It
shouldn't be as easy as opening
http://cygwin.com/downloadstats.cgi?apache to register an apache download.

>That's kind of what I was hinting at when I said "every setup run makes an
>http connection to cygwin.com".  The problem with this approach is that it
>won't give any package download statistics, and won't be able to detect
>aborted setup runs.  Depends on what accuracy you want, I guess...

Actually, after I said that, I realized that we already gather page hit
statistics.  I'm more interested in seeing what people actually are
downloading for packages, though.

cgf

Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:17:44AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>I hate to do this at this late point (and I *really* hate it when people
>do it to me) but I didn't notice the slightly nonstandard practice of
>naming the binary 'aspell-bin'.  I'd like to change that.  Otherwise
>we have a base package which only contains source, which is also
>unusual.  I'd prefer to "mv aspell-{bin-,}0.50.3-1.tar.bz2" and
>put it at the top level of the aspell directory and move everything else
>underneath it.
>
>Gareth, do you have a problem with that?

And another point -- I'd like to make aspell depend on aspell-en.
Otherwise, I suspect that the cygwin mailing list will be constantly
complaining about aspell not working.

cgf

Re: package download stats?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:56:03AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >>On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:43:00PM +0200, Lapo Luchini wrote:
> >>>As a mere curiosity: would be possible to nkow how many times the
> >>>packages are downloaded?  (maybe grepping ftp/http logs)
> >>>
> >>>OK..  don't listen to me: of course the logs are on the mirrors =P
> >>
> >>I would love to know the answer to this, though.
> >>
> >>It would be nice (tm) if setup.exe could record download stats
> >>somewhere.  But, then maybe that's a violation of privacy somehow.
> >
> >FWIW, every setup run makes an http connection to cygwin.com (to get
> >the mirror list).  We could also have setup connect *after* the
> >download (completely optionally, of course), and report the mirrors
> >used plus some statistics (OS, packages downloaded, etc -- nothing more
> >revealing than would be in the browser HTTP headers or the cygcheck
> >output).  We could have a prominent page asking whether the user allows
> >this (yeah, yeah, like we need yet another page in the setup sequence).
> >Just a wild idea...
>
> That's kind of what I was thinking.  I could generate a cgi script to
> run, if necessary but obviously it would need some kind of
> authentication to avoid abuse.

Hmm, I doubt we can prevent a determined user from faking the necessary
setup HTTP headers from outside setup...  Unless we start requiring
registration to download Cygwin, which is a whole other can of worms.

> Is there something like this out there somewhere?

I doubt we'll need something particularly sophisticated...  I wrote
something similar (a passthrough download logging script) a while ago -
I'm sure it can be adapted, but it will need modifications.  I'll post it
if there's interest.

> Hmm.  Maybe I should add a counter to the mirrors page.
> cgf

That's kind of what I was hinting at when I said "every setup run makes an
http connection to cygwin.com".  The problem with this approach is that it
won't give any package download statistics, and won't be able to detect
aborted setup runs.  Depends on what accuracy you want, I guess...
Igor
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Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 05:40:28PM +0200, Ronald Landheer-Cieslak wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:46:47AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 01:24:20AM +1000, Gareth Pearce wrote:
>
>> >inspired by this hat - I ask ... is there anything stoping us doing the
>> >coordinated release of the aspell and dictionary this weekend?  I was fairly
>> >sure that the last available version (which was compiled by rlc not me, but
>> >otherwise was perfectly normal) didnt recieve any aditional feedback.
>> >
>> >Gareth - the not-quite-just-yet owner of the new-but-not-spiffy aspell
>> >maintainership hat.
>> 
>> What was the answer to this question?  I've wanted [ai]spell in the
>> distribution for a long time and I'm anxious to get something in. 
>> Are we ready?  If so, point me at a URL and I'll download it.
>AFAIC, we're ready.
>I'll repeat the URLs for the dictionaries:
>
>04be855c088559b4682b5495510234fe *aspell-en-0.51.0-1-src.tar.bz2
>http://rlc.unsane.co.uk/aspell-en-0.51.0-1-src.tar.bz2
>33fad88cd4d517596ebab42d368ba750 *aspell-en-0.51.0-1.tar.bz2
>http://rlc.unsane.co.uk/aspell-en-0.51.0-1.tar.bz2
>
>Gareth pointed to the following URLs in
>http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-09/msg00176.html:
>
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-0.50.3-1-src.tar.bz2
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-bin-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-bin.setup.hint
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-dev-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-dev.setup.hint
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-doc-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-doc.setup.hint
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/libaspell15-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
>http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/libaspell15.setup.hint
>
>Gareth says in http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-09/msg00179.html
>that there's no need to mark them as test, despite the fact that the gcc
>he used is still marked as such. Personally, I'd mark at least aspell-dev 
>as test, seeing as that contains the files that won't work with the current
>gcc, but it's his call (he's the maintainer, after all :)

I hate to do this at this late point (and I *really* hate it when people
do it to me) but I didn't notice the slightly nonstandard practice of
naming the binary 'aspell-bin'.  I'd like to change that.  Otherwise
we have a base package which only contains source, which is also
unusual.  I'd prefer to "mv aspell-{bin-,}0.50.3-1.tar.bz2" and
put it at the top level of the aspell directory and move everything else
underneath it.

Gareth, do you have a problem with that?

cgf

Re: package download stats?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:56:03AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:43:00PM +0200, Lapo Luchini wrote:
>>>As a mere curiosity: would be possible to nkow how many times the
>>>packages are downloaded?  (maybe grepping ftp/http logs)
>>>
>>>OK..  don't listen to me: of course the logs are on the mirrors =P
>>
>>I would love to know the answer to this, though.
>>
>>It would be nice (tm) if setup.exe could record download stats
>>somewhere.  But, then maybe that's a violation of privacy somehow.
>
>FWIW, every setup run makes an http connection to cygwin.com (to get
>the mirror list).  We could also have setup connect *after* the
>download (completely optionally, of course), and report the mirrors
>used plus some statistics (OS, packages downloaded, etc -- nothing more
>revealing than would be in the browser HTTP headers or the cygcheck
>output).  We could have a prominent page asking whether the user allows
>this (yeah, yeah, like we need yet another page in the setup sequence).
>Just a wild idea...

That's kind of what I was thinking.  I could generate a cgi script to
run, if necessary but obviously it would need some kind of
authentication to avoid abuse.  Is there something like this out there
somewhere?

Hmm.  Maybe I should add a counter to the mirrors page.

cgf

Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Ronald Landheer-Cieslak]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:46:47AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 01:24:20AM +1000, Gareth Pearce wrote:

> >inspired by this hat - I ask ... is there anything stoping us doing the
> >coordinated release of the aspell and dictionary this weekend?  I was fairly
> >sure that the last available version (which was compiled by rlc not me, but
> >otherwise was perfectly normal) didnt recieve any aditional feedback.
> >
> >Gareth - the not-quite-just-yet owner of the new-but-not-spiffy aspell
> >maintainership hat.
> 
> What was the answer to this question?  I've wanted [ai]spell in the
> distribution for a long time and I'm anxious to get something in. 
> Are we ready?  If so, point me at a URL and I'll download it.
AFAIC, we're ready.
I'll repeat the URLs for the dictionaries:

04be855c088559b4682b5495510234fe *aspell-en-0.51.0-1-src.tar.bz2
http://rlc.unsane.co.uk/aspell-en-0.51.0-1-src.tar.bz2
33fad88cd4d517596ebab42d368ba750 *aspell-en-0.51.0-1.tar.bz2
http://rlc.unsane.co.uk/aspell-en-0.51.0-1.tar.bz2

Gareth pointed to the following URLs in
http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-09/msg00176.html:

http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-0.50.3-1-src.tar.bz2
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-bin-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-bin.setup.hint
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-dev-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-dev.setup.hint
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-doc-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/aspell-doc.setup.hint
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/libaspell15-0.50.3-1.tar.bz2
http://www.users.on.net/gpearce/libaspell15.setup.hint

Gareth says in http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2003-09/msg00179.html
that there's no need to mark them as test, despite the fact that the gcc
he used is still marked as such. Personally, I'd mark at least aspell-dev 
as test, seeing as that contains the files that won't work with the current
gcc, but it's his call (he's the maintainer, after all :)

rlc

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Re: package download stats?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:43:00PM +0200, Lapo Luchini wrote:
> >As a mere curiosity: would be possible to nkow how many times the
> >packages are downloaded? (maybe grepping ftp/http logs)
> >
> >OK.. don't listen to me: of course the logs are on the mirrors =P
>
> I would love to know the answer to this, though.
>
> It would be nice (tm) if setup.exe could record download stats
> somewhere.  But, then maybe that's a violation of privacy somehow.
>
> cgf

FWIW, every setup run makes an http connection to cygwin.com (to get the
mirror list).  We could also have setup connect *after* the download
(completely optionally, of course), and report the mirrors used plus some
statistics (OS, packages downloaded, etc -- nothing more revealing than
would be in the browser HTTP headers or the cygcheck output).  We could
have a prominent page asking whether the user allows this (yeah, yeah,
like we need yet another page in the setup sequence).  Just a wild idea...
Igor
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Re: Aspell ... (ready?)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 01:24:20AM +1000, Gareth Pearce wrote:
>
>> -- 
>> 
>>++
>>| BB |  <-- my spiffy new Cygwin Bash Maintainer Hat ;)
>>| AA |
>>| SS |
>>| HH |
>>  +-Cygwin-+
>>   | o  o |
>>   |  ||  |
>>   \ \__/ /
>>\/
>> 
>
>inspired by this hat - I ask ... is there anything stoping us doing the
>coordinated release of the aspell and dictionary this weekend?  I was fairly
>sure that the last available version (which was compiled by rlc not me, but
>otherwise was perfectly normal) didnt recieve any aditional feedback.
>
>Gareth - the not-quite-just-yet owner of the new-but-not-spiffy aspell
>maintainership hat.

What was the answer to this question?  I've wanted [ai]spell in the distribution
for a long time and I'm anxious to get something in.  Are we ready?  If so,
point me at a URL and I'll download it.

cgf

Re: package download stats?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:43:00PM +0200, Lapo Luchini wrote:
>As a mere curiosity: would be possible to nkow how many times the 
>packages are downloaded? (maybe grepping ftp/http logs)
>
>OK.. don't listen to me: of course the logs are on the mirrors =P

I would love to know the answer to this, though.

It would be nice (tm) if setup.exe could record download stats
somewhere.  But, then maybe that's a violation of privacy somehow.

cgf

package download stats?

[Lapo Luchini]

As a mere curiosity: would be possible to nkow how many times the 
packages are downloaded? (maybe grepping ftp/http logs)

OK.. don't listen to me: of course the logs are on the mirrors =P

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Re: expat-1.95.6-2

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Corinna wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:21:43PM +0200, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
>> Hallo,
>> 
>> please propagate expat-1.95.6-2 to current and leave 1.95.6-1 as
>> previous, setup.hint should look like this:

> prev as well as curr are superfluous if the numbering scheme is
> unambiguous.

> I just removed curr and test lines and I also removed the 1.95.4 and
> 1.95.5 releases entirely.

Ok, thanks.


Gerrit
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Re: expat-1.95.6-2

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:21:43PM +0200, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> please propagate expat-1.95.6-2 to current and leave 1.95.6-1 as
> previous, setup.hint should look like this:
> 
> # expat
> category: Doc Libs Text Devel Interpreters
> requires: cygwin
> sdesc: "XML parser library written in C"
> ldesc: "Expat is an XML parser library written in C.
> It is a stream-oriented parser in which an application
> registers handlers for things the parser might find in
> the XML document (like start tags).
> More details are available at http://www.libexpat.org/";
> prev: 1.95.6-1
> curr: 1.95.6-2
> 
> or is the curr: line superflous if there is no newer test release?

prev as well as curr are superfluous if the numbering scheme is
unambiguous.

I just removed curr and test lines and I also removed the 1.95.4 and
1.95.5 releases entirely.

Corinna

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expat-1.95.6-2

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Hallo,

please propagate expat-1.95.6-2 to current and leave 1.95.6-1 as
previous, setup.hint should look like this:

# expat
category: Doc Libs Text Devel Interpreters
requires: cygwin
sdesc: "XML parser library written in C"
ldesc: "Expat is an XML parser library written in C.
It is a stream-oriented parser in which an application
registers handlers for things the parser might find in
the XML document (like start tags).
More details are available at http://www.libexpat.org/";
prev: 1.95.6-1
curr: 1.95.6-2

or is the curr: line superflous if there is no newer test release?


Gerrit
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