Quick question on setup.exe
Hello, Does this download application for cygwin takes in account the OS on which it is running (i.e. are there different packages to download whether you are running it on Windows 95 or Windows NT) ? Regards, Vincent Arnoux
Re: problem with using xsetroot without window manager
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Ralf Habacker wrote: Hi, I'm using the latest Xserver Test Release and have recognized a problem, when starting some apps without any window manager. For starting kde/kde2 I'm using setxroot to choose another background at the start of the launching process, which needs some time. At this time no window manager is running. With this configuration the color isn't set, but the xserver seems to be restarted. (The window seems to be closed for a little while and comes back) After startung twm, kwm or kwin color setting works. The same effect occurs, when I'm starting for example xdpyinfo without any window manager. When the end of the listing is reached the server restarts. This is the normal behavior. After the last client disconnected, the Xserver resets. Normally xinit is the first process that connects to the Xserver, exec the .xinitrc scripts and exits after the last program from xinitrc (normally the windowmanger) has ended. You can switch the Xserver to not resetting by adding the switch -noreset to the XWin commandline. This is not recommend if you use the Xserver for terminals, since all settings that are made in a session are not reset until the next session starts. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723 phone: +49 3725 349 80 80 mobile: +49 172 7854017
Newbie needs help opening browser window.
Reposting, I don't need a direct email response. I found the WEB UI to the list archive... First, thanks for Xfree/cygwin. Just what I needed to do some remote Linux work from my PC. I have cygwin/xfree and can start remote xterms from a linux server just fine. I'd like to be able to run a netscape or other browser from my remote linux machine, but trying to run netscape doesn't seem to work. I am using the twm. Do I have to run kde or gnome to pull this off? What is the simplest way to use some other window manager? I'd prefer not to have to install another wm on my pc if I don't have to. Suggestions are much appreciated. TIA, -Chris. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: remote xterm hangs when commands produce lots of stdout output
An alternative might be to try a rxvt from the remote host and see what happens.. /Andy / Raber Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | If I do a command the produces lots of fast output to | stdout (like ls -l for a directory with lots of | entries), my remote xterms hang. | | Local xterms that telnet into the remote site work | fine. | | Are there some parameters I should be setting on XWin | to help with this? | | TIA, | | -Chris. | | __ | Do You Yahoo!? | Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! | http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ | -- The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!
Re: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
Well, running a browser should be as easy as running it with a display set : netscape -display winmachine:0 Or setting the display variable, and running netscape : setenv DISPLAY winmachine:0 netscape To run XDMCP, if you have it enabled in the linux box (I think most distributions have it on by default), simply use the following command line variables when starting the X server (This is in the user's manual): -query linuxIP -from windowsIP Brian --- Raber Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, You are a bit confused by my question because I am confused and propagating confusion! I am not sure if I want to run a different window manager or not. What I want is to be able to run a browser window from the remote Linux machine on my XWin client on cygwin. The reason is that I am going to be doing some installs via that browser and it makes my life easier (i.e. easier than using lynx that is). If I need to run a different window manager, then so be it. I have been reading about XDMCP but I don't fully get it. Can you point me to the best place to learn how to set up XDMCP for the Linux box? Is this a good reference: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ Thanks again, -Chris. --- Brian Genisio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I am a bit confused about your question. If you are looking to run annother window manager, but not run it from the Windows box, then run it from the the linux box... Get the XFree/Cygwin server up From the Linux box, run the windows manager... (ex. fvwm -display windows:0) I like using the XDMCP feature, documented on the website. XDMCP allows you to log in remotely, and ship your desktop to the XFree/Cygwin server. It works well. Brian --- Raber Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reposting, I don't need a direct email response. I found the WEB UI to the list archive... First, thanks for Xfree/cygwin. Just what I needed to do some remote Linux work from my PC. I have cygwin/xfree and can start remote xterms from a linux server just fine. I'd like to be able to run a netscape or other browser from my remote linux machine, but trying to run netscape doesn't seem to work. I am using the twm. Do I have to run kde or gnome to pull this off? What is the simplest way to use some other window manager? I'd prefer not to have to install another wm on my pc if I don't have to. Suggestions are much appreciated. TIA, -Chris. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
RE: problem with using xsetroot without window manager
As a matter of fact, that is how it works. It is a design feature of XFree86 (and most other X-Servers) to perform a reset when the number of client connections goes to zero. In your case (and as discussed before) the xsetroot program is the only client connected, so after it set's the root background, it disconnects and XWin resets. AFIK this behavior is not optional. You need to re-order the sequence of client starts, so that there is a persistent client (like an xterm or the window manager, or...) -D - David Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-367-3885 -Original Message- From: Ralf Habacker [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:34 AM To: Cygwin-Xfree Subject: problem with using xsetroot without window manager Hi, I'm using the latest Xserver Test Release and have recognized a problem, when starting some apps without any window manager. For starting kde/kde2 I'm using setxroot to choose another background at the start of the launching process, which needs some time. At this time no window manager is running. With this configuration the color isn't set, but the xserver seems to be restarted. (The window seems to be closed for a little while and comes back) After startung twm, kwm or kwin color setting works. The same effect occurs, when I'm starting for example xdpyinfo without any window manager. When the end of the listing is reached the server restarts. Any ideas ? Regards Ralf
RE: problem with using xsetroot without window manager
Pardon my earlier mistake (re: ability to turn off XWin reset). The -noreset command line option appears to be undocumented(?) -D. - David Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-367-3885 -Original Message- From: Alexander Gottwald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:19 AM Cc: Cygwin-Xfree Subject: Re: problem with using xsetroot without window manager On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Ralf Habacker wrote: Hi, I'm using the latest Xserver Test Release and have recognized a problem, when starting some apps without any window manager. For starting kde/kde2 I'm using setxroot to choose another background at the start of the launching process, which needs some time. At this time no window manager is running. With this configuration the color isn't set, but the xserver seems to be restarted. (The window seems to be closed for a little while and comes back) After startung twm, kwm or kwin color setting works. The same effect occurs, when I'm starting for example xdpyinfo without any window manager. When the end of the listing is reached the server restarts. This is the normal behavior. After the last client disconnected, the Xserver resets. Normally xinit is the first process that connects to the Xserver, exec the .xinitrc scripts and exits after the last program from xinitrc (normally the windowmanger) has ended. You can switch the Xserver to not resetting by adding the switch -noreset to the XWin commandline. This is not recommend if you use the Xserver for terminals, since all settings that are made in a session are not reset until the next session starts. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723 phone: +49 3725 349 80 80mobile: +49 172 7854017
RE: problem with using xsetroot without window manager
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Ralf Habacker wrote: Hi, I'm using the latest Xserver Test Release and have recognized a problem, when starting some apps without any window manager. For starting kde/kde2 I'm using setxroot to choose another background at the start of the launching process, which needs some time. At this time no window manager is running. With this configuration the color isn't set, but the xserver seems to be restarted. (The window seems to be closed for a little while and comes back) After startung twm, kwm or kwin color setting works. The same effect occurs, when I'm starting for example xdpyinfo without any window manager. When the end of the listing is reached the server restarts. This is the normal behavior. After the last client disconnected, the Xserver resets. Normally xinit is the first process that connects to the Xserver, exec the .xinitrc scripts and exits after the last program from xinitrc (normally the windowmanger) has ended. You can switch the Xserver to not resetting by adding the switch -noreset to the XWin commandline. This is not recommend if you use the Xserver for terminals, since all settings that are made in a session are not reset until the next session starts. Thats sounds good. ... It is a design feature of XFree86 (and most other X-Servers) to perform a reset when the number of client connections goes to zero. In your case (and as discussed before) the xsetroot program is the only client connected, so after it set's the root background, it disconnects and XWin resets. AFIK this behavior is not optional. You need to re-order the sequence of client starts, so that there is a persistent client (like an xterm or the window manager, or...) bye The reason is, I don't like the default background while kde2 starts and this need a while. Thanks for this hints. Ralf
Re: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
Brian, Well, running a browser should be as easy as running it with a display set : netscape -display winmachine:0 Tried this, does not work. No window ever is displayed. Or setting the display variable, and running netscape : setenv DISPLAY winmachine:0 netscape Same problem. To run XDMCP, if you have it enabled in the linux box (I think most distributions have it on by default), simply use the following command line variables when starting the X server (This is in the user's manual): -query linuxIP -from windowsIP Brian __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
RE: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
You can read more about XDMPC at Cygwin/Xfree website. What is your remote shell? CSH or BASH. If it is bash then you need export DISPLAY=your_windows_ip_address:0.0 Suhaib -Original Message- From: Brian Genisio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:34 AM To: Raber Chris; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Newbie needs help opening browser window. So did you try running an XDMCP desktop with the command line interface that I mentioned in the last mail? Brian --- Raber Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Well, running a browser should be as easy as running it with a display set : netscape -display winmachine:0 Tried this, does not work. No window ever is displayed. Or setting the display variable, and running netscape : setenv DISPLAY winmachine:0 netscape Same problem. To run XDMCP, if you have it enabled in the linux box (I think most distributions have it on by default), simply use the following command line variables when starting the X server (This is in the user's manual): -query linuxIP -from windowsIP Brian __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
RE: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
So did you try running an XDMCP desktop with the command line interface that I mentioned in the last mail? Unfortunately the machine is physically remote from me and I am not root, so I haven't been able to try this yet. I do intend to try this, but it's going to take a little while... The documentation on XDMCP present on the cygwin site shows how to use XDMCP, but not how to set it up... Brian __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
RE: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
You can read more about XDMPC at Cygwin/Xfree website. That document shows how to use XDMPC, but not how to set it up. What is your remote shell? CSH or BASH. If it is bash then you need export DISPLAY=your_windows_ip_address:0.0 I am using bash and this is exactly how I am setting the DISPLAY variable. It's not working. Netscape sits there as a background job but never comes up on my XWin? Very wierd. Suhaib __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
RE: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
-Original Message- From: Raber Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Newbie needs help opening browser window. You can read more about XDMPC at Cygwin/Xfree website. That document shows how to use XDMPC, but not how to set it up. It is because you setup XDMCP at UNIX box and most UNIX boxes do this by default when you install OS. From Cygwin/Xfree you only use to connect. What is your remote shell? CSH or BASH. If it is bash then you need export DISPLAY=your_windows_ip_address:0.0 I am using bash and this is exactly how I am setting the DISPLAY variable. It's not working. Netscape sits there as a background job but never comes up on my XWin? Very wierd. Are you at a remote machine which is behind the firewall or maybe on another premisses? That might explain the hangs and lags. Suhaib Suhaib __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
RE: Newbie needs help opening browser window.
Yes, but did you try it anyways? Most Linux distributions set XDMCP up as default when it sets up X. I would simply try it, before you worry about setting it up on the Linux system. Another thought about the Netscape problem you are having... How much time are you giving it to come up? How far away is the remote machine? (What is the ping rate?) If you have a ping rate of 70ms or so, Netscape will be dog slow, and could take as long as 10 minutes to come up X programs dont work too well over networks with latency (ie cable modem). The other thought, if you think your window manager is the problem... kill off twm, and run a window manager from the remote machine, and try it again. Brian --- Raber Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did you try running an XDMCP desktop with the command line interface that I mentioned in the last mail? Unfortunately the machine is physically remote from me and I am not root, so I haven't been able to try this yet. I do intend to try this, but it's going to take a little while... The documentation on XDMCP present on the cygwin site shows how to use XDMCP, but not how to set it up... Brian __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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Re: briangenisio@yahoo.com
Yeah, with 100ms - 350ms, I know for a fact that Netscape is very slow. I am not sure if you know much about the X protocol, but a simple X program, such as xterm will send about 20 protocol messages out... Many of the X protocol messages are roundtrip and serial... Because of this, if you have (pseudo)code that does something like this : OpenDisplay CreateWindow GetGC GetFont Then you have AT_LEAST 4 round trip messages, assuming 1 message per call. (This is very often not the case) With low latency, this is not a problem, but let's assume a latency of 250ms. 4 round-trip messages will take 1 second!!! This is huge. Netscape, unfortuanately, is nowhere near a simple application. I have done some playing (using xmond), and found that Netscape makes tens of thousands of X protocol calls. Of course, not all of them are round trip, but the ones that are will hurt :( You can do the math... It could take close to forever for Netscape to come up... and when it does, it will be so painful to use, that it wont be worth it. You might find a more efficient browser... lnyx, (like you mentioned) would be one. You might also try dillo (dillo.sourceforge.net) It is a very simple browser that will be much more effiecient to use over a latency such as that. If dillo is not enough for you (It might not be), I know that Opera (Opera.com) boasts to be the fastest Web browser on earth... so we would hope that it has some more streamlined X communication, but I cant say for sure. Good luck, Brian --- Raber Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but did you try it anyways? Most Linux distributions set XDMCP up as default when it sets up X. I would simply try it, before you worry about setting it up on the Linux system. I did try it. I got too many retransmissions errors. Another thought about the Netscape problem you are having... How much time are you giving it to come up? How far away is the remote machine? (What is the ping rate?) If you have a ping rate of 70ms or so, Netscape will be dog slow, and could take as long as 10 minutes to come up X programs dont work too well over networks with latency (ie cable modem). This is probably the issue. My ping latency is between 100 and 350 ms! I am over DSL and through a VPN to the server I am connecting too. Sounds like my expectations were not in line with reality on this. Now where is that lynx browser... ;-) The other thought, if you think your window manager is the problem... kill off twm, and run a window manager from the remote machine, and try it again. Brian __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: briangenisio@yahoo.com
Yeah... I didnt know for sure which ones did, and which ones didnt cause round trip... I was simply giving examples Regardless, there are PLENTY of round-trip messages in Netscape. (xmond will show them.) Pixmaps cause high net traffic, but arent effected as much by latency as they are bandwidth. A DSL Cable modem usually doesnt have a problem with the pixmap transfer... Unless there is a lot of pixmap transfer, such as annimation. Still, it is a straight push, and latency matters much less in these cases. I have written applications that were able to load large pixmaps quickly across DSL or Cablemodem, but have also written programs with too many XSync calls (roundtrip wrapper that uses GetInputFocus), causing them to be unusable over Cable or DSL... It all depends if the designer cared about round-trip or not. Almost all Motif widgets use XSync calls, as well as calls that are not streamlined for latency. I would make a gross assumption that Netscape uses Motif, or other widget sets that are probably not extremely efficient. A possible help to the problem might be ssh X compression. It does a bit for pixmap transfer. LBX also can help a little on latency... There is a plain old X compressor out there as well... but I cant remember the name. Brian --- Alexander Gottwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Brian Genisio wrote: OpenDisplay CreateWindow CreateWindow does not need Serverresponse. But the pixmap's needed for Netscape cause the high traffic GetGC GetFont bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723 phone: +49 3725 349 80 80mobile: +49 172 7854017 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Kylix Installation???
Hi, folks! has anybody installed Kylix under Cygwin/XFree? I tried running the installer, but it doesn't seem to like Cygwin, and it fails to run complaining of the versions of gcc and a few libraries. If anybody knows the way to get it running, I would like to know. Thanks, Marcus Vinicius Eiffle Duarte, M.Sc. Escola de Química/UFRJ Centro de Tecnologia, Bloco E, Lab. 113 Cidade Universitária, Rio de Janeiro, RJ, CEP 20949-900 Brasil Tel: +55 21 2562-7622 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ # 20259520
Re: Kylix Installation???
Whoa - you're trying to run a linux application on windows! Maybe you need to visit http://cygwin.com and see what's the aim of the project... Marcus Vinicius Eiffle Duarte wrote: Hi, folks! has anybody installed Kylix under Cygwin/XFree? I tried running the installer, but it doesn't seem to like Cygwin, and it fails to run complaining of the versions of gcc and a few libraries. If anybody knows the way to get it running, I would like to know.
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