Re: Rootless mode revisited...
Yikes!!! I just noticed that my XWin.log is 52 MB for my one hour session in Cygwin/XFree86. I will have to roll a new release tonight that turns off the logging of the winAddRgn messages. Sorry about that. Harold root wrote: Works fine..no rubber bands.. none of my previous problems (my error!). Only quirk I can see is loads of 'winAddRgn()' message lines at the end of my XWin.log. Thanks a million..I owe someone a beer for this!! Colin
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Sam Edge was recently quoted as saying... You wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin.xfree on Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:13:10 +0200: oh how I miss the focus follows mouse function within windows, just to mention one At the expense of being somewhat off topic and sounding like a Microsoft UI aficionado you can get this behaviour out of most versions of Windows if you install Microsoft Tweak UI. (Some versions need the XMouse powertoy instead - also from Microsoft.) At the expense of sounding like a picky naysayer, XMouse never worked consistently similar to any other X wm's focus-follows-mouse behaviour that I ever used. And it will never work like Fvwm2 SloppyFocus, which I've become addicted to. :) As for rootless mode, I'd throw out some other caveats and recommendations: * I'm using a Win32 virtual pager. When XWin is active, even in rootless mode, the window covers up the page in the virtual display. (Yes I know why, and this is with JSPager, perhaps there are shape-aware virt pagers for Win32.) * I recommend running this mode with the X server set to run always-on-top. Right now I'm using a tool called Make Always On Top to make XWin.exe this way, perhaps I could suggest that XWin.exe include this ability as a command-line and/or icon-menu option. Right now I'm using Chris's patched binary, set sticky in my Win32 pager, and Always On Top via that tool. I've moved my fvwm root-window menus to be invoked via an added title button on all fvwm windows, and turned on the titlebar for one of my X sticky windows so that I can always access it. I then get myself into the habit of manually minimizing X apps when I need to use a large Win32 app. This is a bit of a minor inconvenience, but the always-on-top has the benefit of making my X icons, winlist and pager window always available. In the meantime, I've trimmed off two pages of my X virtual desktop, two pages off my Windows virtual desktop, and turned off the overhead caused by my X root-pattern switcher (FvwmBacker). I'm enjoying this desktop paradigm. == Keith D. Tyler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Federal Way, WA http://www.keithtyler.com -- If Tyrrany and Oppresion come to this land, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison, U.S. President 1809-1817 ==
Thanks for the icon
Jehan (Bing), I wanted to say thanks for provided the .ico file that I used for the icon in Cygwin/XFree86 - Server Test Series - Test 66. I stole that icon from your systray icon patches. I was never able to find nor create an X icon that had the proper transaparency and that looked good in all color modes. You either found that one or created it and, regardless of which of those it was, it fit the bill. I hope you noticed that your name was on the credit line for the icon patch. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure that I called attention to the creator/finder of the X icon that we are now using. Harold
keyboard problem
Hi, i am running Xfree on an english Windows 2000 version with a german keyboard. How can i configure xfree to use a german keyboard instead of the default english? Thanks in advance Joche Wurster
Re: xwinclip problem/puzzle
Unfortunately not. The version most recently posted had the ctrl+c and server reset code in place but nothing much else. Oh. It does however contain the code to handle the selections properly. I'm not sure I made that clear enough. It does what you want it to do but not much else, is what I should have said :-). When you run multiple screens do you keep the same display setting or does it need to change? If it is the same display I can get it working (by making sure the newly activated window is not a cygwin window). Do you mean multiple virtual desktops, or dual monitors? Though I Multiple virtual desktops, dual monitors didn't seem to work in any way. I.e. using the screen option on xwin.exe chris _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
Rootless mode logging and slowness
Some of you have noticed that a message is being added to /tmp/XWin.log every time that winAddRgn (or something close to that) is called. Other of you have also noticed that certain window operations and other random operations are slower than expected in Cygwin/XFree86 with rootless mode enabled. It turns out that these two issues are related. The winAddRgn function is being called many, many, many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of times and the average window operation may cause it to be called several hundred times. As you can imagine, writing a message to the log file during every one of these calls is an extraordinary burden. I built a test version for my own purposes with this logging message disabled and I fully expected the performance hit to go away. Well, it did, for the most part. I would estimate that about 95% of the slowdown in rootless mode was caused by this errant logging, but the rootless mode is still a little bit slower than non-rootless mode. However, the performance hit is now well worth the features and new usage scenarios that rootless mode provides. I used Cygwin/XFree86 today in rootless mode for several hours while creating a LaTeX document for my homework and creating figures for that document in xfig. Rootless mode made it so much easier to switch between emacs and xfig running under Cygwin/XFree86 to Adobe Acrobat or to Mozilla running under Windows. (Yes, I know, I could use ghostscript to view my pdf, but gs keeps crashing on startup whenever I try to run it; also, Acrobat is much more user-friendly than gs). So, rootless mode makes Cygwin/XFree86 actually useful for the primary maintainer to get some work done! This is astonishing! :) Harold
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Hallo Sam. Sam Edge wrote: At the expense of being somewhat off topic and sounding like a and so on - at least avoid full qoute... Guess I needed that - I had TweakUI already installed for some other reason but never checked the mouse options... sh... By the way: This works absolutely positiv with the -rootless option of the new xwin binary. All looks like being integrated expcept copy/paste. Thanks a lot! Uwe
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Uwe Schmidtmann was recently quoted as saying... Guess I needed that - I had TweakUI already installed for some other reason but never checked the mouse options... sh... By the way: This works absolutely positiv with the -rootless option of the new xwin binary. All looks like being integrated expcept copy/paste. To get integrated copy/paste, you need xwinclip: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/xwinclip/ And warning: it tends to crash here and there, so be prepared to restart it as needed. Some days I have to restart it once or twice. But it works rather well. HTH, == Keith D. Tyler[EMAIL PROTECTED] Federal Way, WA http://www.keithtyler.com -- If Tyrrany and Oppresion come to this land, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison, U.S. President 1809-1817 ==
Re: Thanks for the icon
Harold L Hunt II wrote: I wanted to say thanks for provided the .ico file that I used for the icon in Cygwin/XFree86 - Server Test Series - Test 66. I stole that icon from your systray icon patches. I was never able to find nor create an X icon that had the proper transaparency and that looked good in all color modes. You either found that one or created it and, regardless of which of those it was, it fit the bill. I created it with a nice screenshot of xlogo and a bit of PaintShop Pro (for the individual images) and Visual C (for the ico file itself and transparency). I hope you noticed that your name was on the credit line for the icon patch. Yes I did, thanks, that will help me become famous one day *grin* Jehan
Re: XFree86 install fails
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:22 pm, Chris plonski wrote: Does cygwin use the windows registry to save previous configurations? Yes. See the Cygwin FAQ 'How do I uninstall all of Cygwin' (http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_2.html#SEC19) - there are entires in the registry tree `Software\Cygnus Solutions' under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and/or HKEY_CURRENT_USER. Rasjid.
Re: Invoking rootless mode
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Keith D. Tyler wrote: * I recommend running this mode with the X server set to run always-on-top. Why? You will never get the w32 windows in front of any x11 window. Right now I'm using a tool called Make Always On Top to make XWin.exe this way, perhaps I could suggest that XWin.exe include this ability as a command-line and/or icon-menu option. Feel free to add such a commandline option. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: XFree86 install fails
Chris, The mount information is pretty much the only information that Cygwin stores in the registry, and unfortunately it is not cleared when you uninstall Cygwin/XFree86. At least, I don't recall that it is cleared. I will probably add something about this to the FAQ, eventually. Harold Chris plonski wrote: Thanks! This did the trick! I just have a question now, where is this mount information stored? I started out by deleting any previous cygwin directory trees. Does cygwin use the windows registry to save previous configurations? On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 18:39, Harold Hunt wrote: Chris, You need to run ``mount'' from a Cygwin bash prompt and check the location of your fonts mount. For example, here is what I get: Administrator@HUNTHARO ~ $ mount C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts type system (binmo de) C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type system (binmode) C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type system (binmode) c:\PalmDev on /PalmDev type system (textmode) C:\cygwin on / type system (binmode) c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount) w: on /cygdrive/w type user (binmode,noumount) y: on /cygdrive/y type user (binmode,noumount) z: on /cygdrive/z type user (binmode,noumount) My guess is that at some point you had Cygwin/XFree86 installed to a different drive that is no longer available. You can unmount your current mount for /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts and either 1) remount it if your default mount is not binary mode, or 2) leave out that mount if your default mount is binary mode. Harold -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner;cygwin.com]On Behalf Of Chris Plonski Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XFree86 install fails I have seen this on multiple Win2k SP3 machines. I cannot perform a new install of the XFree86 package. The setup proceeds as normal till it gets to the fonts. It will freeze unpacking the first font package, and I have to cancel. I have tried to manually running bunzip2 on any of the fonts packages, and it fails with aas follows: $ bunzip2 XFree86-fenc-4.2.0-2.tar.bz2 bunzip2: I/O or other error, bailing out. Possible reason follows. bunzip2: Invalid argument Input file = XFree86-fenc-4.2.0-2.tar.bz2, output file = XFree86-fenc-4. 2.0-2.tar bunzip2: Deleting output file XFree86-fenc-4.2.0-2.tar, if it exists. Using a win utility to extract out the .tar file and issuing a tar -xvf command does as follows: $ tar -xvf XFree86-fenc-4.2.0-2.tar usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ tar: usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts: Cannot mkdir: No such file or directory usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/ tar: usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings: Cannot mkdir: No such file or directory I attempted to simply issue a mkdir command as follows, and it fails doing that too! $ mkdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts': No such file or directory What's up?
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Keith D. Tyler wrote: At the expense of sounding like a picky naysayer, XMouse never worked consistently similar to any other X wm's focus-follows-mouse behaviour that I ever used. And it will never work like Fvwm2 SloppyFocus, which I've become addicted to. :) Maybe I was not clear enough with my posting (english is not my native language, sorry). What I am running is a combination of xmouse for the native windoze stuff and icewm managing the mouse focus for x11. This is not always flawless, but with icewm using the nice scheme windows and X11 almost look the same and the context switch between X and windoze works without having to click or press any weired keys. This is extremely useful as I use nedit for editing my source code while using borland as a compiler. I am used to nedit for almost 7 years now and had extreme problems with editor integrated in borlands ide when I came to this job. Sorry for being off topic again... Maybe Harold Hunt could give a short hint on where to get the xwin.exe version with less logging... Thanks. Regards and have a nice weekend. Uwe
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Uwe, There is a preliminary Server Test Series - Test 67 release up at: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/XWin-Test67.exe.bz2 (~1,225 KB) I say that this is preliminary because I built it from the HEAD branch, rather than from the 4.2.0 branch. Thus, if you run xdpyinfo it will report a strange version number, whereas the usual releases report 4.2.0. I am only putting this link up for those few brave soles that want to minimize logging before I can make an official release. Harold Uwe Schmidtmann wrote: Keith D. Tyler wrote: At the expense of sounding like a picky naysayer, XMouse never worked consistently similar to any other X wm's focus-follows-mouse behaviour that I ever used. And it will never work like Fvwm2 SloppyFocus, which I've become addicted to. :) Maybe I was not clear enough with my posting (english is not my native language, sorry). What I am running is a combination of xmouse for the native windoze stuff and icewm managing the mouse focus for x11. This is not always flawless, but with icewm using the nice scheme windows and X11 almost look the same and the context switch between X and windoze works without having to click or press any weired keys. This is extremely useful as I use nedit for editing my source code while using borland as a compiler. I am used to nedit for almost 7 years now and had extreme problems with editor integrated in borlands ide when I came to this job. Sorry for being off topic again... Maybe Harold Hunt could give a short hint on where to get the xwin.exe version with less logging... Thanks. Regards and have a nice weekend. Uwe
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Holger, You will probably want to grab that Test 67 preliminary release that I just posted... it has much better performance due to reduced logging. Take a look at your /tmp/XWin.log file, it is probably over 50 MB. http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/XWin-Test67.exe.bz2 Harold Holger Vogt wrote: Hi all, I have just installed XWin-Test66.exe over a very old Cygwin installation (May 01, X-dlls March 01) on a Windows NT4 notebook. After starting and a short DOS box pop up ... nothing happened. But then there it was: a small green rectangle among all my Windows icons stating sh. Now my screen is full with applications (Xman, Xciruit drawing program, MAGIC layout editor), and still the Windows background, Windows Netscape and others. Congratulations, great work. Holger Vogt
Re: Rootless mode revisited...
Don't worry, the patch came through correctly. The problem was that the email did not clearly state that a rootless mode had been implemented, so both Alexander and I didn't pay any attention to it. I didn't even notice that it had a patch attached. The message is in the archives: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-10/msg00126.html Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 16 Oct 2002, Alexander Gottwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Oh my god, I completely missed this patch! Wow! I can't remember this patch too. Either it got lost or was somehow rejected by the mailserver or maybe was sent to a private address. It was posted on the 15th of this month in this thread. The M-ID I have is from the gmane newsserver so it won't be helpful to you I guess, sorry. If you can't get it then I will forward it to you (9k). (Off list - I can't email everyone a copy after all, there is a limit to my bandwidth :-)
Re: Rootless mode revisited...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was posted on the 15th of this month in this thread. And I received it. Must have been blind that day. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Need help
Greetings all, I have been trying to locate the steps needed to use the fvwm distributed with Cygwin, but I have not found the silver bullet yet. Can you point to where I need to look or provide me with the necessary steps? Once fvwm is in place, how do I integrate in another theme for fvwm to use? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated :) BTW - Thanks for providing this product! Carlton begin:vcard n:Teel;Carlton tel;fax:972-231-5704 tel;work:972-231-5702 x206 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.signal-analysis.com org:Innovative Signal Analysis, Inc. version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Principal Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;3301 East Renner Road=0D=0ASuite 200;Richardson;TX;75082;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;4552 fn:Carlton Teel end:vcard
x-server with window-manager
hi, is there a project for an x-server with window-manager that integrates remote-windows into the windows-desktop?
Re: x-server with window-manager
Sven, I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. Harold Sven Köhler wrote: hi, is there a project for an x-server with window-manager that integrates remote-windows into the windows-desktop?
Re: x-server with window-manager
I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. should better read next time: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/todo.html it says: Seamless integration with Windows that was what i asked for. have you already started to implements that feature?
Re: x-server with window-manager
I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. Is there a project, that is developing a x-server that has an integrated window-manager so that x-forwarded windows will appear like ms-windows' native ones? I think cygwin's current x-server is based on Xnest so that all the x-forwarded windows will appear within one big window which is my XFree-Desktop and they do not seamlessly integrate into the ms-windows-desktop.
