Re: Xwinclip doesn't work with Konsole
Hi Harold! No, it doesn't work correctly. The output is: UnicodeSupport - Windows NT/2000/XP ## Select something in Konsole SelectionNotify CompoundText (the selection remains selected) ## Click somewhere in X SelectionNotify CompoundText SelectionNotify UTF8 ## Click somewhere in X SelectionNotify UTF8 SelectionNotify - Reasserted ownership of ATOM: PRIMARY SelectionNotify - Reasserted ownership of ATOM: CLIPBOARD Now the paste in a Windows application works. If I do not follow the procedure described, the paste operation in a Windows application doesn't work. The reversed procedure(copy from Windows to X) has a chaotic behaviour. I can't reproduce it every time. Sometimes works, sometimes not. > Download this version of xwinclip and let me know if it works: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/xwinclip/xwinclip-20021121-1800.exe.bz2 (5 KiB) > The faster you respond, the more likely I am to finish up this patch, and > the happier I will be. Best Regards Jozsef Kercso
RE: Xwinclip doesn't work with Konsole
Hi Chris > Can you build the xwinclip exe and use the dll supplied > (i've put the build_dll.sh in there as well)? Let me know what > happens (and the output). The copy from X works just like I wrote in my previous mail to Harold (see log1), but when I try to copy from Windows, the results are unpredictable. (see log2) Best Regards Jozsef Kercso log1.zip Description: Binary data log2.zip Description: Binary data
cygwin an windows 311
good morning! incidently I stumbled in your offer for a free x-windows-server for ms-windows programs. The 'setup.exe' program I downloaded from your site does not seem to be willing to work in a win311 environment. I'm trying to find a working x-server that is working with win311 because my (lt's call it) older notebook in not willing to carry the load of a win95 distribution or higher. Is there a way to install cygwin working with win311 or do you know any other kind of x-server for free working in thus an old environment? Thanky for your answer, Hendrik Müller
Re: cygwin an windows 311
I assume that Linux/BSD is out of the question... /W On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Hendrik Mueller wrote: > good morning! > incidently I stumbled in your offer for a free x-windows-server for > ms-windows programs. The 'setup.exe' program I downloaded from your site does > not seem to be willing to work in a win311 environment. I'm trying to find a > working x-server that is working with win311 because my (lt's call it) older > notebook in not willing to carry the load of a win95 distribution or higher. > Is there a way to install cygwin working with win311 or do you know any other > kind of x-server for free working in thus an old environment? > Thanky for your answer, > Hendrik Müller > +---+ | Home: http://wilper.cjb.net | | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| +---+
RE: Xwinclip doesn't work with Konsole
Hi Chris Can you build the xwinclip exe and use the dll supplied (i've put the build_dll.sh in there as well)? Let me know what happens (and the output). The copy from X works just like I wrote in my previous mail to Harold (see log1), but when I try to copy from Windows, the results are unpredictable. (see log2) Thanks Jozsef, The output looks as I'd expect for Harolds reasoning. I've put in his changes for selecting the CLIPBOARD (an issue with me for a while) output but I haven't made the thing work yet. It recognises an owner and calls xconvertselection, then the flushxevents function is called but the XNextEvent doesn't show a new message. Bizarre. I'll keep trying to get clipboard working properly maybe that will be enough. chris PS (the "wierd" behaviour with pasting back the windows clipboard is because it won't claim ownership unless a windows application has changed the clipboard since the last primary selection. This is in my code only. It makes logical sense but it doesn't work the way the old one did, as far as possible it leaves XWin to do it's thing, only claiming the primary selection once the clipboard has been changed). _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Xwinclip doesn't work with Konsole
> "Harold" == Harold L Hunt, writes: Harold> Hmm... Harold> xwinclip-Test06 actually works the exact same way with Emacs... I am Harold> pretty sure this is just because Emacs 21 finally fixed the way that Harold> the selections were handled. So, I think we can now safely say that Harold> if someone has an application that unhighlights the selection when Harold> xwinclip is running: fix the *?$%ing application!!! :) I know of 2 applications which unhighlight the selection. Xemacs and Nedit. I just tested them with your xwinclip-20021121-1800.exe. But I got a patched version of xwinclip from Chris Twiner once which works perfect even with Xemacs and Nedit. There must be an e-mail about this in the archive. Ciao Volker
Re: Xwinclip doesn't work with Konsole
Hmm... Indeed, the clipboard thing has been irritating me for a while, can't believe i didn't spot it. Either way I can't get the thing to work yet. When I call XConvertSelection on CLIPBOARD it says there is a message (from select) but then XNextEvent doesn't process any message, very wierd. Primary still works fine. xwinclip-Test06 actually works the exact same way with Emacs... I am >pretty sure this is just because Emacs 21 finally fixed the way that >the selections were handled. So, I think we can now safely say that if >someone has an application that unhighlights the selection when >xwinclip is running: fix the *?$%ing application!!! :) I'd have to disagree in a big way. xterm, dtterm, nedit, netscape , and countless other X applictions that behave in the right way won't because xwinclip breaks the standard by reclaiming ownership. I've tested your release with at least the above and it causes functionality issues with anything that uses the selection. The next qt format will follow motif i.e. select is primary, ctrl+c (or alt+c etc) copies the highlighted text into the clipboard. This is a very standard way of doing things, and more importantly it works properly. "Fixing" them to leave the selection up breaks the normal visual feedback you get with all standard X apps, not good at all. Arrgh... I am just confused now. Is the unhighlighting of >selections our problem anymore? I am starting to think that it is not. It is our problem (well anyone who wants to use xwinclip) and it should be fixed. The hook dll doesn't need to be used as XWin can notify the app itself (if you have it inbuilt into xwin then multiple instances of xwin won't work properly together (although I'm not sure they do anyway), i'm talking about running xwin more than once not a screen option). I can remove the hook by patching xwin to send out WM_ACTIVATE message's to a single xwinclip instance (this of course can be run from within XWin anyway). But I think that's not what you want either. Chris _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: cygwin an windows 311
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Hendrik Mueller wrote: > good morning! > incidently I stumbled in your offer for a free x-windows-server for > ms-windows programs. The 'setup.exe' program I downloaded from your site does > not seem to be willing to work in a win311 environment. I'm trying to find a > working x-server that is working with win311 because my (lt's call it) older > notebook in not willing to carry the load of a win95 distribution or higher. > Is there a way to install cygwin working with win311 or do you know any other > kind of x-server for free working in thus an old environment? cygwin is not supported on win 3.11. This means that the Cygwin/XFree will not work either. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
RE: cygwin an windows 311
Its possible that you could get this to work, http://www.jcraft.com/wiredx/ maybe.. if windows 3.11 java is up to the job. I'd be supprised though. > -Original Message- > From: Hendrik Mueller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 November 2002 10:49 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: cygwin an windows 311 > > > good morning! > incidently I stumbled in your offer for a free x-windows-server for > ms-windows programs. The 'setup.exe' program I downloaded > from your site does > not seem to be willing to work in a win311 environment. I'm > trying to find a > working x-server that is working with win311 because my (lt's > call it) older > notebook in not willing to carry the load of a win95 > distribution or higher. > Is there a way to install cygwin working with win311 or do > you know any other > kind of x-server for free working in thus an old environment? > Thanky for your answer, > Hendrik Müller >
SSH & XFree86
To whomever may have the knowledge (aka HH?), I am using XFree86 running on a win98 machine to access a remote Unix system. My machine is behind a router, therefore when i run ssh with the parameters : ssh -X -l username hostname I get the follwing error: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Subsequently the remote machine gives me a "can't open display" error whenever I try to run anything like xmgr or even and xterm on the remote machine. Do I need to use port forwarding? If so, how do I do this? The router has a public IP address, but the IP on my computer is invisible to the WAN as far as I can tell. Thank you, john
Re: SSH & XFree86
What is the variable DISPLAY set to on the unix-machines?? What is the variable DISPLAY set to in the terminal you do the ssh -X command from? /Andy / John Burkhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | To whomever may have the knowledge (aka HH?), > | I am using XFree86 running on a win98 machine to access a remote Unix | system. My machine is behind a router, therefore when i run ssh with the | parameters : ssh -X -l username hostname | I get the follwing error: | Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. > | Subsequently the remote machine gives me a "can't open display" error | whenever I try to run anything like xmgr or even and xterm on the remote | machine. Do I need to use port forwarding? If so, how do I do this? The | router has a public IP address, but the IP on my computer is invisible to | the WAN as far as I can tell. > | Thank you, john > > > -- The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!
Re: Xwinclip doesn't work with Konsole
Chris, I'd have to disagree in a big way. xterm, dtterm, nedit, netscape , and countless other X applictions that behave in the right way won't because xwinclip breaks the standard by reclaiming ownership. I've tested your release with at least the above and it causes functionality issues with anything that uses the selection. Run these same applications with xclipboard and see if the behavior is similar. If it is, then I say it is simply a problem with the way that the X clipboard system is designed and we leave it at that. If, on the other hand, the applications work fine with xclipboard, then maybe we will be able to do a better job of handling the selections. We are not doing a very good job of figuring out how the commercial X applications out there handle clipboard integration. They *never* grab the primary selection and they always have the most recently selected text from either clipboard. Maybe they are doing this through polling, which we are trying to avoid, but I am not even sure how polling would solve the problem (unless you poll for the selection, compare it to the old data, and act accordingly, which would put a huge demand on network bandwidth...). It is our problem (well anyone who wants to use xwinclip) and it should be fixed. The hook dll doesn't need to be used as XWin can notify the app itself (if you have it inbuilt into xwin then multiple instances of xwin won't work properly together (although I'm not sure they do anyway), i'm talking about running xwin more than once not a screen option). Oh please. Integrating the clipboard support into the XWin.exe executable is not going to forbid it from working with multiple screens run by one executable, nor is it going to forbid multiple instances of XWin.exe. You might have to program a little more carefully, but there is nothing about having the functionality present in XWin.exe that prevents anything from working correctly. You have mentioned before that X-Win32 is using an Xt-app for their clipboard support... but I have never noticed such an app. I have always been under the impression that the cipbard support is integrated into X-Win32's executable. In any case, we are unlikely to be able to use Xt because we have to interleave handling of Win32 message with X events... trying to do that with Xt may be difficult if not impossible. There is nothing to say that we cannot handle the selections exactly as Xt does, and doing so does not mean that we actually have to use Xt. Shoot... we have the source code to Xt, so it isn't like something is stopping us from understanding what Xt is doing. I can remove the hook by patching xwin to send out WM_ACTIVATE message's to a single xwinclip instance (this of course can be run from within XWin anyway). But I think that's not what you want either. I just want a solution that works identically to the dozen or so commerical implementations that have conquered this very problem. I won't be satisfied until we have clipboard support that rivals the commercial X Servers for MS Windows. Harold
RE: SSH & XFree86
Hi John, I use SSH the same way that you do, and although I can't be sure to solve your problem, here are a couple recommendations; Use the -C parameter with SSH so that it will compress your data, this will speed your sessions. Make sure your DISPLAY environment variable is set to 127.0.0.1:0.0 in your local shell before issuing your connection request, because if it is not, you won't be able to receive the X stream back along the SSH conduit. Other than that, I can't think of anything... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Burkhart Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SSH & XFree86 To whomever may have the knowledge (aka HH?), I am using XFree86 running on a win98 machine to access a remote Unix system. My machine is behind a router, therefore when i run ssh with the parameters : ssh -X -l username hostname I get the follwing error: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Subsequently the remote machine gives me a "can't open display" error whenever I try to run anything like xmgr or even and xterm on the remote machine. Do I need to use port forwarding? If so, how do I do this? The router has a public IP address, but the IP on my computer is invisible to the WAN as far as I can tell. Thank you, john
Re: SSH & XFree86
John, The Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide explains a procedure that works for using SSH with X11 forwarding: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using-remote-apps.html#using-remote-apps-ssh I wrote up some notes on why SSH fails for various reasons and how to avoid those failures: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-10/msg00065.html Your particular failure seems to be that the DISPLAY variable is not defined when you run the ``ssh'' command. I suspect that you are launching Cygwin/XFree86, but instead of running ssh from your xterm you are running ssh from another Cygwin bash shell that does not have DISPLAY defined. Try running ssh from the xterm in Cygwin/XFree86 and I bet it will work. Harold John Burkhart wrote: To whomever may have the knowledge (aka HH?), I am using XFree86 running on a win98 machine to access a remote Unix system. My machine is behind a router, therefore when i run ssh with the parameters : ssh -X -l username hostname I get the follwing error: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Subsequently the remote machine gives me a "can't open display" error whenever I try to run anything like xmgr or even and xterm on the remote machine. Do I need to use port forwarding? If so, how do I do this? The router has a public IP address, but the IP on my computer is invisible to the WAN as far as I can tell. Thank you, john
Re: SSH & XFree86
The latest ssh (3.5p1-2) has problems. It breaks connections with "bad packet length", reporting a large positive or negative number. The previous version (3.5p1-1) does not do this. Rob Pellowski
