Re: Attn. Karl: multiwindow and rootless

[Harold L Hunt II]

Anton,

You hit the nail on the head (your description is correct).

Thanks for helping out,

Harold

Anton Vaaranmaa wrote:
Karl,

I accidentally deleted your messages so I write to the list instead. You 
mentioned that you have trouble with rootless and multiwindow. IIRC the trick 
is that you can't use both at the same time. Multiwindow is sort of rootless 
so you probably want to use that instead of rootless.

Then you mentioned that you have no window decorations and can't move windows. 
That indicates that there is no window manager running. You should 
intitialize a window manager in any situation except for when using the 
"-multiwindow" option (multiwindow has it's own built-in window manager).

I hope this information is correct, but I could be wrong too. I have not 
played with Cygwin/Xfree for a while...

Re: Need some help on running the server on cygwin, and clients onFreeBSD.

[Harold L Hunt II]

Constantine,

You are accidentally trying to combine the steps of the two independent 
connection methods:

1) telnet
2) ssh
Since you have ssh setup, I suggest that you use ssh to tunnel your X 
connections, with the following command line:

ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You shouldn't need to run xhost.  If you run 'ssh' within an xterm in 
Cygwin/XFree86 you shouldn't need to set the DISPLAY variable at all 
since it will aleady be set.

So, the steps to reproduce would be:

1) Using the standard startxwin.bat, launch Cygwin/XFree86 and an xterm 
(should happen automatically in the standard startxwin.bat)

2) In the xterm, login to your remote machine with X tunnelling enabled. 
 You enable X tunnelling using the -X parameter (it has to be a BIG X, 
not a little x):

ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3) Launch your X apps and they should appear in Cygwin/XFree86.

You may have to enable X tunnelling for ssh on your BSD machine... but 
you can do a general Google search for how to do that.

Good luck,

Harold

Constantine wrote:
Hello!

I am trying to run the X server on my cygwin machine, and the clients on 
my FreeBSD 4.7 box. As of today, to start the session I need to:
1. type "startx"
2. type "xhost + 192.168.0.18"
3. right-click, exit.
4. open ssh session, set display to 192.168.0.1, and run startkde.

I do believe that this is a very complicated steps to follow, and I 
would highly appreciate if someone could explain, how could I set up the 
system to follow all these steps automatically.

A bit of the reference material I was trying to follow:
http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using-remote-session.html
http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xserver.1.html#sect6
http://www.xfree86.org/current/xdm.1.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/xauth.html
On both Cygwin (192.168.0.1) and FreeBSD (192.168.0.18) I use XFree86 
4.2.0 (165).

Thank you.
Constantine.

Need some help on running the server on cygwin, and clients on FreeBSD.

[Constantine]

Hello!

I am trying to run the X server on my cygwin machine, and the clients on 
my FreeBSD 4.7 box. As of today, to start the session I need to:
1. type "startx"
2. type "xhost + 192.168.0.18"
3. right-click, exit.
4. open ssh session, set display to 192.168.0.1, and run startkde.

I do believe that this is a very complicated steps to follow, and I 
would highly appreciate if someone could explain, how could I set up the 
system to follow all these steps automatically.

A bit of the reference material I was trying to follow:
http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using-remote-session.html
http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xserver.1.html#sect6
http://www.xfree86.org/current/xdm.1.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/xauth.html
On both Cygwin (192.168.0.1) and FreeBSD (192.168.0.18) I use XFree86 
4.2.0 (165).

Thank you.
Constantine.

Re: Multiwindow: way cool!

[E]

Just wondering, is multiwindow considered stable now?

If so, I missed the posting that says so.

Thanks.

E.

Re: XWin -clipboard and xwinclip bad highlighting behavior

[Harold L Hunt II]

Andrew,

This issue has been beat to death in the mailing list archives since 
xwinclip was first released.  It is not possible to fix xwinclip without 
a server extension or without modifying the server code directly to 
support an integrated clipboard system.  Search the archives if you are 
interested.

Harold

Andrew Braverman wrote:
The one other thing that I notice that I think is related to this is that in
some applications (the one I see it in is ddd when compiled with lesstif),
the selection does not even hold long enough to select it.  If I click and
drag (while still holding down the mouse button) the selection disappears.
If I try to paste, my buffer has been deleted.  I also have a related
problem when I want to get a menu relating to an area that is larger than
the default area.  Normally, I would select the larger area and click (or
right click) on it to get the appropriate menu.  I can never do that.  Does
anyone have any ideas?


-Original Message-
From: Harold L Hunt II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XWin -clipboard and xwinclip bad highlighting behavior
Derek,

Yes, we know.

This is not an easy problem, search the mailing list archives
for more
details.
No one is working on this problem at the moment and we
appreciate your
offer to help.  You might be interested in the XFIXES
extension, which
almost made it into the XFree86 4.3.0 release but was pulled.  It
included a mechanism to notify clients when the clipboard contents
changed.  We can either use this extension to get notification, or we
can insert our own hooks into the portion of the X Server
that handles
the clipboard.  Either way, I am beginning to think that providing
clipboard integration via an X Client is not the correct way
to address
this problem.
Ask any questions on the list, I will be glad to assist where I can.

Harold

RE: XWin -clipboard and xwinclip bad highlighting behavior

[Andrew Braverman]

The one other thing that I notice that I think is related to this is that in
some applications (the one I see it in is ddd when compiled with lesstif),
the selection does not even hold long enough to select it.  If I click and
drag (while still holding down the mouse button) the selection disappears.
If I try to paste, my buffer has been deleted.  I also have a related
problem when I want to get a menu relating to an area that is larger than
the default area.  Normally, I would select the larger area and click (or
right click) on it to get the appropriate menu.  I can never do that.  Does
anyone have any ideas?


> -Original Message-
> From: Harold L Hunt II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: XWin -clipboard and xwinclip bad highlighting behavior
>
>
> Derek,
>
> Yes, we know.
>
> This is not an easy problem, search the mailing list archives
> for more
> details.
>
> No one is working on this problem at the moment and we
> appreciate your
> offer to help.  You might be interested in the XFIXES
> extension, which
> almost made it into the XFree86 4.3.0 release but was pulled.  It
> included a mechanism to notify clients when the clipboard contents
> changed.  We can either use this extension to get notification, or we
> can insert our own hooks into the portion of the X Server
> that handles
> the clipboard.  Either way, I am beginning to think that providing
> clipboard integration via an X Client is not the correct way
> to address
> this problem.
>
> Ask any questions on the list, I will be glad to assist where I can.
>
> Harold

Re: Multiwindow: way cool!

[Harold L Hunt II]

Jim,

Thanks.  MultiWindow mode was created by Kensuke Matsuzaki.  He has a 
donations page if you can spare a few bucks in gratitude:

http://peppermint.jp/donation.html

There is also a link to his donations page on the Cygwin/XFree86 
Donations page:

http://xfree86.cygwin.com/donations.html



Thanks for using the Cygwin/XFree86 project,

Harold

Jim Drash wrote:
Maybe this is late but I only just tried multiwindow mode today.  You all
rock!  This is extremely cool.
Kudos to all that worked on this!

jim drash

Multiwindow: way cool!

[Jim Drash]

Maybe this is late but I only just tried multiwindow mode today.  You all
rock!  This is extremely cool.

Kudos to all that worked on this!

jim drash

Re: making X server a COM object..

[Chan Kar Heng]

>WindowMaker, openbox, fvwm2 works fine in with weirdx and wierdx.net
i c... thanks...
i tried icewm.. some of the things didn't work out.


>only problem I am facing is, Unable to do XForwarding from wierdmind
>and unable to contact author.   <-- wow.. big problem...


>Pl. try to contact them at Jcraft 
>at [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>they may be happy to help you.
>
>or u may also be able to contact users
>see http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/index.html
>
>if u r able to make progress, please inform me about it.

okay, sure...

i note that their last release was 2001... hmmm...
not very active...

anyway, i'm comparing the effort required for adding GLX into
weirdx and trying to make xfree an activex..

rgds,

kh

Re: making X server a COM object..

[Chan Kar Heng]

>KH,
>
>What is am saying is that COM, by itself, is something you have to sit down with for 
>a few months before you even realize if what you are suggesting is possible.  No 
>amount of pointers from other people are going to help.
>
>Similarly, X is something that you have to sit down with for a few months before you 
>can determine if such things are possible.

actually, i have in fact spent a couple of months on COM by itself...
on reading and on programming... i have to admit that i've only done
some of the simpler parts of COM (the simpler parts aren't really simple
either), but enough to write some stuff or go further on.
i have an entire 3D application built as an ActiveX control for now...
and it's really bulky.

otherwise, the area really gray to me is XFree86...

my intention is really just to "host" cygwin xfree in the "sandbox" of
an ActiveX control... thus:

- it's just hopefully 1 simple thin ActiveX control wrapping around
cygwin and xfree stuff.
- the ActiveX control doesn't need to deal with unnecessary OLE stuff.
- hopefully won't need to worry about marshalling and threading/apartment
models



>We can talk about threading, ATL, etc... but it won't matter until you are presenting 
>a coherent framework (which would take about 20 pages to describe).  At that point, 
>feel free to ask, "what did I forget?". Understand though that asking us "will this 
>work" is too open-ended of a question.  We just can't spend time on your question 
>until you demonstrate that you have spent a lot of time with it already.

hmmm.. okay.. fair enough.. :)
i'm just asking opinions and comments.
one gets nothing for nothing...  no obligations.

guess i'll just have to break down the problem and
try things out on my own then.

thanks...


rgds,

kh

Re: making X server a COM object..

[Chan Kar Heng]

>I think you should describe exactly why you want to put XFree86 in a COM object, for 
>what purpose, what you would use it for etc. I presume you mean you want to make it 
>an ActiveX control, is this true?

actually yes, thanks for the more correct term.. an ActiveX control. :)

as described in another mail i posted here:

> i'm hunting for an applet or a COM object that can be
> embedded into a web page that in turn, can be placed
> into a web browser...
> it can be a little bit heavy for now.. but ultimately,
> it has to be light weight, or require minimal installation.
>

in addtion, this applet or ActiveX control should support GLX
or something similar... (GL across network).

as of now, i have an entire 3D app built as an ActiveX control
(which is rather big and a rather stupid thing.. it's easily larger
than 8mb).
i want to remove the bulk of the 3D engine now and make it
some kind of server process... the client process is an app
on a machine that displays 3D graphics rendered by the 3D
engine... the client and the server runs on different machines.

Re: making X server a COM object..

[Biju G C]

Chan Kar Heng,

WindowMaker, openbox, fvwm2 works fine in with weirdx and wierdx.net

only problem I am facing is, Unable to do XForwarding from wierdmind
and unable to contact author.

Pl. try to contact them at Jcraft 
at [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
they may be happy to help you.

or u may also be able to contact users
see http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/index.html

if u r able to make progress, please inform me about it.

cheers
Biju

--- Chan Kar Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> :)
> 
> thanks... i've already tried weirdx out (as i've mentioned
> when i first posted this question.)
> it doesn't completely support X yet...
> tried running several window managers on it and some
> didn't function properly...
> tried some games on it too.. same prob.
> 
> but my main issue with weirdx is a lack of support for
> GLX
> 
> i'm hunting for an applet or a COM object that can be
> embedded into a web page that in turn, can be placed
> into a web browser...
> it can be a little bit heavy for now.. but ultimately,
> it has to be light weight, or require minimal installation.
> 
> 
> rgds,
> 
> kh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >I dont know what is actual requirement. If you looking to get some sort of activex 
> >control 
> which
> >can be embedded in a VB Program. Then try WeirdX java version of XWin. And may be u 
> >can get
> >documentation for calling javabean from VB at sun java site.
> >
> >Links:-
> >http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/index.html
> >http://java.sun.com/j2se/vb.development.center.html
> 
> 


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Re: What package is GLX OpenGL from?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

Mark,

As always, patches are thoughtfully considered (eventually).  However,
this may not be as easy as you think, since the package tarballs
themselves aren't downloaded until they are selected by the user in setup.
So, that external search page at  is there
for a reason...
Igor

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Mark P. Esplin wrote:

> A nice addition to cygwin setup.exe would be a search capability for packages
> and files like is in the KDE package manager KPackage.  As the number of
> packages increases it becomes harder and harder to find what you are looking
> for.
>  -Mark Esplin
>
> On Wednesday 02 April 2003 03:51 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > Hi, Everybody!
> >
> > (with a Dr. Nick Riviera intonation)
> >
> > With the Monty Python "Spam" song intonation:
> >
> >  FAQ, FAQ, FAQ, FAQ
> >  FAQ, FAQ, FAQ, FAQ
> >
> > But in keeping with my policy of not taunting or scolding without
> > including a constructive answer, go here:
> > . For best results, use as much as you
> > know about the name. The search is a non-anchored grep pattern match
> > against the package content lists. File suffixes can help, but beware
> > that some standard command names are symlinks or scripts, so a ".exe"
> > suffix will not be present in those cases.

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Duplicate Keystrokes - Again!

[Duncan Cragg]

Hello - I've just arrived at this list, so hope I don't break protocol 
in any way!!

I have a problem which can be summarised as 'it's the same as the 
following past postings':

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+site:www.cygwin.com+xfree86+duplicate+keystrokes

The discussions there mentioned the infrequency of the problem of 
duplicate keystrokes for the respondents - a couple of times a day.

I, however, am getting this problem all the time: as in, every five 
commands or so, or every five edit keystrokes

Am I alone?

Am I doing something odd?

This happens on both my work and home installations (work is 1G, home is 
500M laptop; home has VNC running which I can see would make this worse, 
but work is not overloaded). Both installations are out-of-the-box, 
running twm. I can supply more details (.Xmodmap, .twmrc, .Xdefaults, 
etc.) if someone thinks it's relevant.

Any help appreciated!

Duncan Cragg

Attn. Karl: multiwindow and rootless

[Anton Vaaranmaa]

Karl,

I accidentally deleted your messages so I write to the list instead. You 
mentioned that you have trouble with rootless and multiwindow. IIRC the trick 
is that you can't use both at the same time. Multiwindow is sort of rootless 
so you probably want to use that instead of rootless.

Then you mentioned that you have no window decorations and can't move windows. 
That indicates that there is no window manager running. You should 
intitialize a window manager in any situation except for when using the 
"-multiwindow" option (multiwindow has it's own built-in window manager).

I hope this information is correct, but I could be wrong too. I have not 
played with Cygwin/Xfree for a while...

-- 
Anton

Re: What package is GLX OpenGL from?

[Mark P. Esplin]

A nice addition to cygwin setup.exe would be a search capability for packages 
and files like is in the KDE package manager KPackage.  As the number of 
packages increases it becomes harder and harder to find what you are looking 
for.
 -Mark Esplin

On Wednesday 02 April 2003 03:51 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Hi, Everybody!
>
> (with a Dr. Nick Riviera intonation)
>
>
> With the Monty Python "Spam" song intonation:
>
>  FAQ, FAQ, FAQ, FAQ
>  FAQ, FAQ, FAQ, FAQ
>
>
> But in keeping with my policy of not taunting or scolding without
> including a constructive answer, go here:
> . For best results, use as much as you
> know about the name. The search is a non-anchored grep pattern match
> against the package content lists. File suffixes can help, but beware
> that some standard command names are symlinks or scripts, so a ".exe"
> suffix will not be present in those cases.

Re: XWin -clipboard and xwinclip bad highlighting behavior

[Harold L Hunt II]

Derek,

Yes, we know.

This is not an easy problem, search the mailing list archives for more 
details.

No one is working on this problem at the moment and we appreciate your 
offer to help.  You might be interested in the XFIXES extension, which 
almost made it into the XFree86 4.3.0 release but was pulled.  It 
included a mechanism to notify clients when the clipboard contents 
changed.  We can either use this extension to get notification, or we 
can insert our own hooks into the portion of the X Server that handles 
the clipboard.  Either way, I am beginning to think that providing 
clipboard integration via an X Client is not the correct way to address 
this problem.

Ask any questions on the list, I will be glad to assist where I can.

Harold

Derek Bennett wrote:
I have observed that highlighting with either xwipclip running or Xwin
running with the -clipboard switch, vanishes directly after completing a
selection. The copy to the X and Windows clipboards happens just fine.
However, I would prefer the highlighting to remain until the next mouse
click as it does on other X servers. I read in an earlier thread that
the vanishing highlighting is expected and normal behavior. I would like
to have that behavior changed so that it is at least configurable. I
wouldn't mind doing it myself. If this "problem" is already being
addressed, please tell me so. Otherwise, please tell me how to get
started addressing it; I don't mind doing the work myself.

XWin -clipboard and xwinclip bad highlighting behavior

[Derek Bennett]

I have observed that highlighting with either xwipclip running or Xwin
running with the -clipboard switch, vanishes directly after completing a
selection. The copy to the X and Windows clipboards happens just fine.
However, I would prefer the highlighting to remain until the next mouse
click as it does on other X servers. I read in an earlier thread that
the vanishing highlighting is expected and normal behavior. I would like
to have that behavior changed so that it is at least configurable. I
wouldn't mind doing it myself. If this "problem" is already being
addressed, please tell me so. Otherwise, please tell me how to get
started addressing it; I don't mind doing the work myself.

Re: keyboard non-US

[Alexander Gottwald]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, competition wrote:

> 
> >I've not received information what windows reports
> >> for itali keyboards and have not added it.
>  
> what information you need?

Just get a program from http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/keyboard.tar.gz
and run it. It should print the KeyboardType and a layoutcode. Just send me 
this output and the xkb keymap you are using for this keyboard (it was "it"?)

bye
ago
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Re: keyboard non-US

[competition]

>I've not received information what windows reports
>> for itali keyboards and have not added it.
 
what information you need?
regards
Max