Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge
- Original Message - From: Yaakov (Cygwin/X) Subject: Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge That may have been true until November 12. But in the last four weeks since X11R7.4, there have been ~500 messages on cygwin-xfree, including 30 announcements (including 3 xserver revisions). Comparatively, there have been ~660 messages on cygwin including ~45 announcements. I suspect that's probably an untypical situation. I can give you some figures for the 3 months from August 17th (when I first registered) to November 17th (when I unsubscribed from xfree). These figures include announcements as well as posts that were duplicated on both lists:- cygwin.xfree = 194 messages cygwin = at least 1374 messages I can't give an accurate figure for the cygwin list because I regularly have to unsubscribe from it due to the high volume of traffic. It wouldn't surprise me if the true figure isn't 50 percent higher or more (i.e. ten messages on cygwin list for every one on cygwin.xfree). John -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge
From: Christopher Faylor The historical reasons for [un?]merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists no longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two lists. For us old-timers, what were the historical reasons again, and why/how did they go away? -- Gary R. Van Sickle -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: xterm-237-2 still has no UTF-8 support
Jon TURNEY wrote: neomjp wrote: On 2008/12/10 0:39, Yongwei Wu wrote: 1. xterm +lc -u8 I got these messages: Warning: Cannot convert string -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* to type FontStruct Warning: Cannot convert string nil2 to type FontStruct These are the default fonts specified in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm. -adobe-helvetica-... are provided by font-adobe-dpi100 and font-adobe-dpi75, and nil2 is provided by font-misc-misc. font-misc-misc is critical to this working properly. If you don't have that installed, we end-up using the built-in 'fixed' font, which only has a limited set of glyphs (those needed for iso8859-1, I would guess) (Since 1.5.3-3, the x server has has a built-in 'fixed' font and font-misc-misc is not installed by default) Thanks very much, neomjp and Jon. My only complaints now are that the new behaviour is not well documented from the user's point of view (for both the conflict between -lc and -u8, and the lack of utf-8 fonts by default), and that the name font-misc-misc is not helpful at all (before reading your messages, I had already tried some adobe fonts, but not this one). Best regards, Yongwei -- Wu Yongwei URL: http://wyw.dcweb.cn/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
X button does not work in some applications
With the new release of X11, the X button on the top right of the frame does not close some applications. The applications that will not close are those built with the xview toolkit. The applications in /usr/bin close with the X button. If I use Cygwin as a remote X server for applications running on a remote Linux computer, the X button always works. What's up? Thanks, --Carl -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:00:43AM -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: From: Christopher Faylor The historical reasons for [un?]merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists no longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two lists. For us old-timers, what were the historical reasons again, and why/how did they go away? Good question. My email records don't go back far enough to know for sure and I don't see anything telling in the mailing list archives. I think that one of the early maintainers (maybe Suhaib Siddiqi) didn't want to read the cygwin list to look for cygwin-xfree questions. I believe I was actually somewhat reluctant to do the split because (I know this will be hard to believe) I thought there would be end-user confusion that would require a lot of use the other list shuttling. OTOH, maybe I was actively insisting on it and relishing the chance to tell people they were off-topic. I'm just proposing this now because Yaakov asked about it and Jon indicated that he would be ok with it. Yaakov obviously reads both lists and he has observed that the lines are sometimes blurred between what's a X question and what isn't. Do you have an opinion either way, Gary? Another thing that occurred to me is that we could keep the two lists and stop telling people that they *had* to ask questions about X here. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:00:43AM -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: From: Christopher Faylor The historical reasons for [un?]merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists no longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two lists. For us old-timers, what were the historical reasons again, and why/how did they go away? Good question. My email records don't go back far enough to know for sure and I don't see anything telling in the mailing list archives. I think that one of the early maintainers (maybe Suhaib Siddiqi) didn't want to read the cygwin list to look for cygwin-xfree questions. Yes, I remember that. I believe I was actually somewhat reluctant to do the split because (I know this will be hard to believe) I thought there would be end-user confusion that would require a lot of use the other list shuttling. OTOH, maybe I was actively insisting on it and relishing the chance to tell people they were off-topic. I'm just proposing this now because Yaakov asked about it and Jon indicated that he would be ok with it. Yaakov obviously reads both lists and he has observed that the lines are sometimes blurred between what's a X question and what isn't. Do you have an opinion either way, Gary? Another thing that occurred to me is that we could keep the two lists and stop telling people that they *had* to ask questions about X here. True. The downside there is there would exist an artificial split where some discussion would happen only on Cygwin-X while others would happen on the main list. This would be tough to keep track of and be a stumblling block for newbies who might actually look in the archives for answers. If there is a goal to maintain the idea of two lists while really having only one, what about having the Cygwin-X list exist as a head only. It would be similar to the announce lists in that it would forward all email to the main list but would be different in that there would be no separate list archive. I'm not sure how easy it would be to set something like this up but it would address the concerns some have expressed about filtering out the main Cygwin list info. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 429-6305 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:33:21PM -0500, Larry Hall (Cygwin X) wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:00:43AM -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: From: Christopher Faylor The historical reasons for [un?]merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists no longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two lists. For us old-timers, what were the historical reasons again, and why/how did they go away? Good question. My email records don't go back far enough to know for sure and I don't see anything telling in the mailing list archives. I think that one of the early maintainers (maybe Suhaib Siddiqi) didn't want to read the cygwin list to look for cygwin-xfree questions. Yes, I remember that. I believe I was actually somewhat reluctant to do the split because (I know this will be hard to believe) I thought there would be end-user confusion that would require a lot of use the other list shuttling. OTOH, maybe I was actively insisting on it and relishing the chance to tell people they were off-topic. I'm just proposing this now because Yaakov asked about it and Jon indicated that he would be ok with it. Yaakov obviously reads both lists and he has observed that the lines are sometimes blurred between what's a X question and what isn't. Another thing that occurred to me is that we could keep the two lists and stop telling people that they *had* to ask questions about X here. True. The downside there is there would exist an artificial split where some discussion would happen only on Cygwin-X while others would happen on the main list. This would be tough to keep track of and be a stumblling block for newbies who might actually look in the archives for answers. If there is a goal to maintain the idea of two lists while really having only one, what about having the Cygwin-X list exist as a head only. It would be similar to the announce lists in that it would forward all email to the main list but would be different in that there would be no separate list archive. I'm not sure how easy it would be to set something like this up but it would address the concerns some have expressed about filtering out the main Cygwin list info. I could do the cygwin-xfree - cygwin mirroring fairly easily and even prepend a [X11] to the subject. Going in the other direction would require more work. And, it seems like that would start to make things more complicated. We could adopt a convention of prepending [X11] or [Xorg] in front of X-related messages but I'm sure that people who don't want to see traffic wouldn't consider that an acceptable alternative to a separate mailing list. Yep, good point. On thinking about this again, I realize that my suggestion doesn't really address the I only want to see the X messages crowd, since people could still (and maybe would feel encouraged to) just send email to the main list and thereby bypass those only on the X list (which I believe was the point you were trying to address with the mention of mirroring from the main list to the X list.) So, in retrospect, it's a dumb idea! Sorry for the noise. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 429-6305 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: X11R7.4-1 can't read keyboard
Zdzislaw Meglicki wrote: After having upgraded X11 from the previous version I had installed (and working) on my Cygwin laptop, I found that the new X11R7.4-1 server doesn't read the keyboard. All X11 apps I have tried are keyboard-deaf. I have also noticed another thing. The keyboard seems to work if X11 is invoked by root, an admin user who owns the Cygwin tree. But user gustav (i.e., me) cannot get the X11 keyboard to work neither as a non-admin user (this is how I normally work), nor even as an admin one. What happens: X11 comes up. X11 apps come up. They can read the mouse. No errors are flagged. They can't read the keyboard though. /var/log/XWin.0.log, /tmp/.X0-lock, /tmp/.X11-unix, and /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 are created without problems. I enclose cygcheck.out below. http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-i-cant-type-anything XKEYSYMDB = '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB' -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Failure of XtGetApplicationResources() in X11R7.
On 12/11/2008 8:28 PM, Rodrigo Medina wrote: To the X11 mantainer: I am trying to compile the last version of xdvik (22.84.14) with X11R7. The execution of xdvi-xaw3d stops with Segmentation fault. Using gdb I have determined that the failure is due to the function XtGetApplicationResources() of the Xt library. [...] This is the same problem I reported in http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2008-11/msg00214.html , but I didn't know how to debug it. I'm glad someone more knowledgeable was able to isolate the problem. Ken -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: X11R7.4-1 can't read keyboard
To follow up on my previous message... I still don't know why the X11 server could not read the keyboard, but the following remedy fixed the problem. I have simply wiped out my whole Cygwin, downloaded the whole new and complete edition, reinstalled it, and... it all works now. I can only fathom that as my old version of Cygwin evolved, with numerous updates applied, some permissions somewhere, or some dlls perhaps, ended up not being what they should have been. == Zdzislaw (Gustav) Meglicki, Office of the Vice President for Information Technology, Indiana University, 601 E. Kirkwood Ave., Room 116, Bloomington, IN 47405-1223, USA, http://perth.ovpit.indiana.edu/gustav, Ph: 812-856-5597 (o), 812-345-3284 (m), Fax: 812-855-3310/812-856-3147, == Messenger: zdzisi...@hotmail.com Yahoo: zdzisi...@sbcglobal.net Skype: zdzislaw.meglicki -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: X11R7.4-1 can't read keyboard
Jon Turney wrote: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-i-cant-type-anything (My previous message and this one missed each other...) Indeed, this entry talks about XKEYSYMDB being set up incorrectly in the old startxwin.bat scripts and pointing to the wrong file. In my case, I had it set wrongly in my .bashrc, hence the error. This is also why it worked for Mr Root: his .bashrc was different! But the full cleanup and reinstall was useful, too, even if not perhaps necessary in this case. Greetings, == Zdzislaw (Gustav) Meglicki, Office of the Vice President for Information Technology, Indiana University, 601 E. Kirkwood Ave., Room 116, Bloomington, IN 47405-1223, USA, http://perth.ovpit.indiana.edu/gustav, Ph: 812-856-5597 (o), 812-345-3284 (m), Fax: 812-855-3310/812-856-3147, == Messenger: zdzisi...@hotmail.com Yahoo: zdzisi...@sbcglobal.net Skype: zdzislaw.meglicki -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
