Re: XWin wrong fonts after update

2009-04-02 Thread catia . lavalle
, because, you can trust me there 
are for sure tons of people out there which have had the same problem and 
do not have the skill, the time, the will to report the problem and/or to 
understand (as you say) the solution. Free software for sure does not 
mean  you have to be an expert in everything you are willing to use!





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catia.lava...@bechtle.com schrieb:

Please check the FAQ for informations about the update:
   http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#modular

There are some changes in the location of file after the upgrade,
so you have to set up old start scripts for the X server to the new 
structure.

If you can not solve the problem with, the informations in the FAQ,
please follow the instructions for reporting a problem:
   Problem reports:   http://cygwin.com/problems.html
You can check the output of
   cygcheck -s -v -r  cygcheck.out
on both computers to see differences.

I think it is important to know how you start the X server on both 
computers and to check for differences in the start up scripts.

Regards
Dirk

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RE: XWin wrong fonts after update

2009-04-01 Thread Phil Betts
catia.lava...@xxx.xxx wrote:
 I've been using since ages cygwin and XWin (XWin :0 -clipboard
 -multiwindow) on a Win XP Prof 32bit and I had no problems at all.
Last
 update of cygwin I did was some month ago (I do not know exactly
when).
 Yesterday afternoon I did again an update (like I always did without
 looking at he home page of cygwin) and I have realized that the X.org
 was updated.

You can always tell which packages are going to be updated by clicking
the View button in setup.exe until the label next to it reads Partial.
In fact, I wouldn't recommend updating without first checking that
list.

You should then read the announcements for the packages about to be 
updated so that you're not surprised by any changes.  The X update was 
a VERY large one and came with quite a detailed announcement.

 The problem is since then a graphical application which is ssh
tunneled
 from a remote linux machine, which was working until the update, now
is
 showing up with horrible (almost not readable) text fonts (Is there a
 way
 to attach a screenshot?).

There's no point.  Anyone subscribed to this list will already know
what your problem is.

 I have tried to do a new installation of cygwin on another machine. On
 the
 fresh installed machine the same application exports fine with the
 correct
 fonts.
 
 This means that the update is the problem.

No.  The problem is that you didn't do your research before updating,
and once you had the problem, you don't appear to have tried to find
out the answer before posting your question.

Please look in the announcements archive at
  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/
You should then check the FAQ here
  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/
and the user guide here
  http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/

If you're still not sure what your problem is, before posting again
please search the archives of this mailing list at
  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/
where the topic has been discussed MANY times.

Phil
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RE: XWin wrong fonts after update

2009-04-01 Thread catia . lavalle
I know I can always tell which packages are to be updated, what if I do 
not what to?

I mean I am not installing a beta distribution, so I assume that the 
things are enough tested before they are posted in a repository. Obviously 
it can happen that something is buggy or does not work for one or another 
reason the way it should, but for sure this is to be seen as a bug and not 
as stupidity of the people who install the update.

And at the end of the day what should people do keep the old packages 
all life long? sometimes I will be forced to trust you and apply the 
update anyway, and the X.org major update is now old (November 2008).

If something needs manual help before the update procedure can be 
performed (which should never happen if the update procedure is good 
enough), a warning message should pop up.

Even if I accept (which I do not really) that I was not enough careful in 
applying the update what should I do now: kill myself? reinstall the whole 
system or are you willing to give an hint how to restore the 
functionality?

If there is no point in attaching a screen shot and you are soo good in 
understanding what I mean, you would be soo good even in answering right 
away solving the problem instead replying with an useless polemic mail, 
right? 

p.s. I did googled and I did look in the previous threads and I did not 
find any answer to my question, that's why am am asking.





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catia.lava...@xxx.xxx wrote:
 I've been using since ages cygwin and XWin (XWin :0 -clipboard
 -multiwindow) on a Win XP Prof 32bit and I had no problems at all.
Last
 update of cygwin I did was some month ago (I do not know exactly
when).
 Yesterday afternoon I did again an update (like I always did without
 looking at he home page of cygwin) and I have realized that the X.org
 was updated.

You can always tell which packages are going to be updated by clicking
the View button in setup.exe until the label next to it reads Partial.
In fact, I wouldn't recommend updating without first checking that
list.

You should then read the announcements for the packages about to be 
updated so that you're not surprised by any changes.  The X update was 
a VERY large one and came with quite a detailed announcement.

 The problem is since then a graphical application which is ssh
tunneled
 from a remote linux machine, which was working until the update, now
is
 showing up with horrible (almost not readable) text fonts (Is there a
 way
 to attach a screenshot?).

There's no point.  Anyone subscribed to this list will already know
what your problem is.

 I have tried to do a new installation of cygwin on another machine. On
 the
 fresh installed machine the same application exports fine with the
 correct
 fonts.
 
 This means that the update is the problem.

No.  The problem is that you didn't do your research before updating,
and once you had the problem, you don't appear to have tried to find
out the answer before posting your question.

Please look in the announcements archive at
  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/
You should then check the FAQ here
  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/
and the user guide here
  http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/

If you're still not sure what your problem is, before posting again
please search the archives of this mailing list at
  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/
where the topic has been discussed MANY times.

Phil
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Re: XWin wrong fonts after update

2009-04-01 Thread Dirk Fassbender

catia.lava...@bechtle.com schrieb:

Please check the FAQ for informations about the update:
  http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#modular

There are some changes in the location of file after the upgrade,
so you have to set up old start scripts for the X server to the new 
structure.


If you can not solve the problem with, the informations in the FAQ,
please follow the instructions for reporting a problem:
  Problem reports:   http://cygwin.com/problems.html
You can check the output of
  cygcheck -s -v -r  cygcheck.out
on both computers to see differences.

I think it is important to know how you start the X server on both 
computers and to check for differences in the start up scripts.


Regards
Dirk

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RE: XWin wrong fonts after update

2009-04-01 Thread Phil Betts
catia.lava...@xxx.xxx wrote:
 I know I can always tell which packages are to be updated, what 
 if I do not what to?

You click on the second column until it says Keep.  The interface 
could be more user friendly, but it does the job.  I've not updated 
this PC to X11R7 because I need a server with accelerated GL.  That 
hasn't stopped me from updating the rest of my cygwin packages.

The rest of your response was just a pointless and unwarranted rant.
Just follow the links I gave you, do what they tell you, and if 
you've still got a problem, we can start dealing with it.

 Even if I accept (which I do not really) that I was not enough careful
 in applying the update what should I do now: kill myself?

Erm... only if you really, really want to, and it has to be your own
decision.

 p.s. I did googled and I did look in the previous threads and I did
 not find any answer to my question, that's why am am asking.

I just googled too, for fonts site:x.cygwin.com, and the first
result was the cygwin X FAQ that I previously listed.  The section on
updates includes what is almost certainly the answer to your problem.

If your problem genuinely is not covered by any of the links I gave 
you, then by all means post a follow-up, but in that case, you should 
tell us exactly what you *have* tried to resolve it, and why your 
problem isn't covered by the existing documentation.  If you don't
include that information, then we can only assume that the existing
answers are good enough, but that you've not read or tried them.

If you don't understand the documentation, then that is an equally 
valid point to raise.  I assume from your email that you are not a 
native English speaker, and so it's possible that the language could be
made simpler for you.  If this is the case for you, then you should 
say which parts need clarifying.

Remember, this is free software, written, maintained and supported by 
unpaid volunteers.  Nobody owes you anything.


Phil
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