x-server with window-manager
hi, is there a project for an x-server with window-manager that integrates remote-windows into the windows-desktop?
Re: x-server with window-manager
Sven, I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. Harold Sven Köhler wrote: hi, is there a project for an x-server with window-manager that integrates remote-windows into the windows-desktop?
Re: x-server with window-manager
Sven, For future reference, Cygwin/XFree86 is not in any way based on Xnest. Also, what you are trying to accomplish has nothing to do with whether a window is created by a local X client or by a remote X client with X11 forwarding. Now, to answer your question, yes, there is preliminary support for a so-called ``rootless''. However, this ``rootless'' mode still requires an X Window Manager. That is, X clients do not appear within a Windows window, they appear within an X window, but the root window is not displayed so it looks like the X apps are floating above your Windows apps. The release announcement for the ``rootless'' support is here: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-10/msg00160.html Also, I posted a slightly faster binary, Test 67, that you can download instead of Test 66: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-10/msg00188.html Or, you can wait a day or two and I will make an official Test 67 release announcement and you can just download that version then. Harold Sven Köhler wrote: I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. Is there a project, that is developing a x-server that has an integrated window-manager so that x-forwarded windows will appear like ms-windows' native ones? I think cygwin's current x-server is based on Xnest so that all the x-forwarded windows will appear within one big window which is my "XFree"-Desktop and they do not seamlessly integrate into the ms-windows-desktop.
Re: x-server with window-manager
I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. should better read next time: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/todo.html it says: "Seamless integration with Windows" that was what i asked for. have you already started to implements that feature?
Re: x-server with window-manager
I realize that English is probably not your native language, but could you elaborate on your question a little bit? I cannot understand what you are asking. Is there a project, that is developing a x-server that has an integrated window-manager so that x-forwarded windows will appear like ms-windows' native ones? I think cygwin's current x-server is based on Xnest so that all the x-forwarded windows will appear within one big window which is my "XFree"-Desktop and they do not seamlessly integrate into the ms-windows-desktop.
Re: x-server with window-manager
For future reference, Cygwin/XFree86 is not in any way based on Xnest. i tought that i've read something like that. was it Xvfb? but it's not so important... Also, what you are trying to accomplish has nothing to do with whether a window is created by a local X client or by a remote X client with X11 forwarding. OK, that's right, i just took x-forwarding as an example. Now, to answer your question, yes, there is preliminary support for a so-called ``rootless''. However, this ``rootless'' mode still requires an X Window Manager. That is, X clients do not appear within a Windows window, they appear within an X window, but the root window is not displayed so it looks like the X apps are floating above your Windows apps. The release announcement for the ``rootless'' support is here: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-10/msg00160.html OK, but how to i start XWin.exe so it will work in "rootless"-mode? Also, I posted a slightly faster binary, Test 67, that you can download instead of Test 66: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-10/msg00188.html just installed it ...
Re: x-server with window-manager
OK, but how to i start XWin.exe so it will work in "rootless"-mode? OK, i found out, that i should start "XWin -rootless" but i still need a window-manager afterwards (like twm) ro have a window-titlebar. will there be a window-manager integrated into XWin that uses Win32-native windows? (native title-bar, buttons, resizing etc.)
RE: x-server with window-manager
Sven, > > For future reference, Cygwin/XFree86 is not in any way based on Xnest. > > > i tought that i've read something like that. > was it Xvfb? but it's not so important... > You must be reading some really ancient materials. There was a very early version of Cygwin/XFree86 (about two or three years ago) that was a hack on Xvfb. However, since then Cygwin/XFree86 has been completely rewritten and now we directly use the ``fb'' and ``shadow'' layers that are used by many of the XFree86 drivers for graphics cards. But, none of that is really important... Harold
RE: x-server with window-manager
Sven, > > OK, but how to i start XWin.exe so it will work in "rootless"-mode? > > OK, i found out, that i should start "XWin -rootless" but i still need a > window-manager afterwards (like twm) ro have a window-titlebar. > > will there be a window-manager integrated into XWin that uses > Win32-native windows? (native title-bar, buttons, resizing etc.) > I said earlier that you would still have to run an X Window Manager. Yes, Cygwin/XFree86 will eventually have a window manager that opens X windows in Windows windows. However, we only got rootless support three days ago, so I wouldn't count on that integrated window manager being finished any time soon, unless you are willing to help write it. Harold
RE: x-server with window-manager
Hi Harold, I'm trying to learn and maybe that puts me out of the loop here. But, I'll ask anyway. Is there a place users, like myself, can go and see a list of outstanding projects for cygwin? You know, the one's that you authors would allow us to help on. Thanks, Frank -Original Message- From: Harold Hunt [mailto:huntharo@;msu.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: x-server with window-manager Sven, I said earlier that you would still have to run an X Window Manager. Yes, Cygwin/XFree86 will eventually have a window manager that opens X windows in Windows windows. However, we only got rootless support three days ago, so I wouldn't count on that integrated window manager being finished any time soon, unless you are willing to help write it. Harold
Re: x-server with window-manager
Frank, I'm not sure if Cygwin proper maintains an open development items list, but Cygwin/XFree86 has a development to-do page: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/todo.html Some of the items listed on that page are more housekeeping, such as integrating the Wine DirectDraw headers with Cygwin's win32api package, while others are sort of wish-list items, such as writing the Windows-based window manager that works together with the new rootless mode. The new rootless mode itself will require a lot of attention, as we could provide an option that would allow root menus to work (but this wouldn't allow you to click the focus through to a Windows window; we also need to handle non-rectangular windows created with the X Shape Extension. Then there is xwinclip, which Chris Twiner has put a lot of work into and I need to review and accept his patches... his work should allow us to integrate clipboard support into XWin.exe, rather than having to run a stand-alone executable. Hmm... I just realized that the To-Do list needs to be updated and several items need to be added. I will try to get around to that soon. Harold Lane, Frank L wrote: Hi Harold, I'm trying to learn and maybe that puts me out of the loop here. But, I'll ask anyway. Is there a place users, like myself, can go and see a list of outstanding projects for cygwin? You know, the one's that you authors would allow us to help on. Thanks, Frank -Original Message- From: Harold Hunt [mailto:huntharo@;msu.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: x-server with window-manager Sven, I said earlier that you would still have to run an X Window Manager. Yes, Cygwin/XFree86 will eventually have a window manager that opens X windows in Windows windows. However, we only got rootless support three days ago, so I wouldn't count on that integrated window manager being finished any time soon, unless you are willing to help write it. Harold
