RE: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!

[Ernest Hua]

Title: RE: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!





Well, Tim, maybe I'm just part of a huge conspiracy to piss you
off.


Or maybe you utter lots of theoretical purity of process without
being the least bit accomodating to the fact that often times, in
a large distributed process, things don't go as smoothly and as
perfectly as you would prefer.  You really should try managing a
large organization or process and try to be able to claim that
you can make it perfect.


And, of course, to get to YOUR point ...


What is different this time?  Will their evil twins to be doing
the voting?  What?  What is the problem?


It's the same damn vote.  One for one.  If someone does not feel
like "fixing" his/her vote, he shouldn't have to.  If the second
pass is a clean slate, then he/she can vote the same damn way
again.


I really don't get it.  Do they get TWO votes this time?  Are
they now FORCED to vote even if they did not the first time?


Let's face it, if there are "forces", then they'll be there this
time around as well.  These people weren't objective one day,
and the next day, they were suddenly sheeples toppled over by
political ads.  So what's the difference?


Just spit it out, Tim.  You just aren't talking substance, but
you love insulting me ...


What a way to communicate ... but maybe that's not your goal.


Ern 


-Original Message-
From: Tim May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!




At 8:57 PM -0800 11/8/00, Ernest Hua wrote:
>  > There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State,
>>  as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way
>>  never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be
>>  electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent
>>  trying to buy each and every voter.
>
>"distort the forces ..."   Lord!  No!  Don't let them do that!
>
>Geez, Tim.  What happened to personal responsibility?  Who gives two
>bits what "forces" will be upon them.  They will ultimately still
>have to cast a vote which they were casting just days earlier.  Who
>cares if idiots spend billions to sway a few thousand votes.  That's
>THEIR problem.  It's free speech, as you have claimed in the past.


You're a complete idiot if you don't understand this point.


I made my points, briefly, above. This would not be a matter of the 
same voters simply recasting their same ballots. Think about it.


(I'm not convinced you can, Ernest. In reading hundreds of your posts 
I have concluded that you're just part of Vinge's "Slow Zone.")



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RE: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!

[Tim May]

At 8:57 PM -0800 11/8/00, Ernest Hua wrote:
>  > There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State,
>>  as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way
>>  never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be
>>  electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent
>>  trying to buy each and every voter.
>
>"distort the forces ..."   Lord!  No!  Don't let them do that!
>
>Geez, Tim.  What happened to personal responsibility?  Who gives two
>bits what "forces" will be upon them.  They will ultimately still
>have to cast a vote which they were casting just days earlier.  Who
>cares if idiots spend billions to sway a few thousand votes.  That's
>THEIR problem.  It's free speech, as you have claimed in the past.

You're a complete idiot if you don't understand this point.

I made my points, briefly, above. This would not be a matter of the 
same voters simply recasting their same ballots. Think about it.

(I'm not convinced you can, Ernest. In reading hundreds of your posts 
I have concluded that you're just part of Vinge's "Slow Zone.")


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Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!

[Tim May]

At 10:51 PM -0500 11/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>The ballot layout was illegal and resulted
>in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous
>votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling
>to the voting victims, since many are Jewish.

The ballot form was used in past elections, CNN reported today. The 
ballot was published in newspapers, to let people familiarize 
themselves with its form. And the head of the voting commission, who 
approved the ballot's final form, is a Democrat.

Ballots are often of different forms. Sometimes a mechanical punch is 
used, sometimes a Number 2 pencil, sometimes a pen.

There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State, 
as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way 
never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be 
electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent 
trying to buy each and every voter.

And there is no precedent for using "statistics" by Democrat 
consultants to propose that votes be Buchanan be assigned to Gore. So 
Gore won't get those votes, and there won't be a County-wide revote.

(If there is, I'll help in rigging the dynamite truck .)


--Timothy McMay


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Re: A very brief politcal rant

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 10:36 AM -0500 on 11/8/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> If the citizens of Missouri chose to elect a deceased person as Senator,
>I think
> that's exactly what they should get.

Would that we were all so fortunate. Imagine, a whole senate full of dead
people. Well... empty seats representing dead people. Or something.

Missouri, the show me state, indeed.


Let's see, somebody could go around and collect petition signatures for
famous  ex-sons-of-Massachusetts. *Lots* of those. John Adams? Sam
Adams?... HmmmWhat was the name of the first colonist killed at Concord?


Oops.

Wait a minute. That would not, in fact, get the result we desire. In fact,
we'd get the worst of all possible worlds.

If I recall correctly, dead Republicans *don't* vote.

Only dead *Democrats* can do *that*...

;-).


Cheers,
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Wiff Diffie on Next Step this week

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Democrats in Florida are discovering "padlocked boxes"

[Tim May]

CNN is reporting that teachers arriving at a pre-school in a heavily 
Democrat region of Miami/Dade found a "padlocked box" in their 
classroom. The pre-school had been used as a polling place. They 
"shook the box" and it "appeared to be full."

So, these votes bought with welfare money will probably go for Gore.

The Dems are also claiming that some or all of Buchanan's votes 
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I expect Al Gore will "find" the extra votes he needs.


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