Re: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
a friend of mine was an officer in the german army until very recently (he decided to get a real job :) ) - give me 24 hours and I'll tell you exactly what the past and current standard issue weapons are and what kind of ammo they fire. current weapon (after the G3) is the G36, obviously an advanced G3 version. I didn't have much time to chat about the subject today, so if anyone wants to know ammo types, more details, whatever - ask and I'll find out. -- -- http://www.lemuria.org -- http://www.Nexus-Project.net -- - End forwarded message - -- -- http://www.lemuria.org -- http://www.Nexus-Project.net --
Re: CDR: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
At 11:36 AM 1/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate replied to Declan's post: (Hint: U.S. copyright law does not make mere possession or archiving an offense. Try distribution, performance, etc.) Hint: WRONG. Simply possessing a paperback book that has had its cover removed as a sign of 'destroyed' status is in fact a crime. Used book stores that have them in stock can be charged accordingly. At 12:54 PM 1/10/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Anyway, Jim is conflating physical control over an instantiation of IP with the rights conferred by IP law. If someone copies Microsoft Word (or a Tom Clancy novel) onto a CDROM and gives it to me, I am not liable. The paperback book example has nothing to do with intellectual property - it's about real property, the dead-tree portion of the book that's left when the bookstore mails the front cover back to the distributor for credit and claims the rest of the book has been destroyed. Somebody, I think Jim, incorrectly said this was an issue about royalties, which would be IP-related, but it's not - royalties are what the publisher pays the author when the book gets sold, while this is about what the bookstore does or doesn't pay the wholesaler when the book does or doesn't get sold. (I'm not sure which legal rules cover it - fraud, tort, conversion, maybe theft by the store, so possibly possession of stolen property by the purchaser or other recipient.) However, that doesn't mean Declan's correct :-) Before the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, he probably would have been, but the DMCA is a vague ill-defined mess of evil intentions that are increasingly being expanded (or at least people are attempting to expand them; how much holds up in court remains to be seen.) The DeCSS cases are a relatively direct use. The Scientology claims against E-Bay for using electronic tools (their auction system) to violate their intellectual property constraints (by helping ex-Scientologists sell used E-Meters to people who haven't paid the Church of Scientology for their trade secret religious materials) is a way blatant stretch, but seem to have been enough to intimidate E-Bay. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
At 12:54 PM -0500 1/10/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: [Jim sent me the below message directly without any indication that it was also sent to the list. But from past experience, I know better. Another example of not-quite-adequate Choatian social norms.] Anyway, Jim is conflating physical control over an instantiation of IP with the rights conferred by IP law. If someone copies Microsoft Word (or a Tom Clancy novel) onto a CDROM and gives it to me, I am not liable. -Declan At 11:36 AM 1/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: (Hint: U.S. copyright law does not make mere possession or archiving an offense. Try distribution, performance, etc.) Hint: WRONG. Simply possessing a paperback book that has had its cover removed as a sign of 'destroyed' status is in fact a crime. Used book stores that have them in stock can be charged accordingly. So, if I tear the cover off of a paperback book that I legally own (bought, for example), Choate's claim is that this "is in fact a crime"? Gee, so much for scienter. So much for proof of actual criminal action. So much for tort law. Jim, please call the police, as I have just torn the cover off of a book I own. Worse, I just cut the tags off of a mattress. Call before I commit more crimes. Fucking retard. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
