Re: The Pentagon’s ‘Terminator Conundrum’: Robots That Could Kill on Their Own

[grarpamp]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Steve Kinney  wrote:
>> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/orwell
>
> I have wanted to play this game ever since I heard of it:
>
> http://www.eblong.com/zarf/werewolf.html

It and the many similar simple hidden knowledge type games
are lot fun, but like diplomacy can get some socially edgy,
or boring for players eliminated early. Print and try.

Re: Scientific Progress

[Mirimir]

On 10/27/2016 02:14 PM, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> https://xkcd.com/1520/

Oh, and another thing. The problem isn't science. It's human nature.

I'm not optimistic. I suspect that we're a transitional stage in the
evolution of consciousness. And that's what's important. Not a
particular flavor of meat ;)

Re: Scientific Progress

[Mirimir]

On 10/27/2016 02:14 PM, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> https://xkcd.com/1520/

Yes, biology did become more popular after the 50s, in reaction to
nuclear weapons. Feynman did have a good point, but he was rather a
sarcastic asshole.

To unpack a bit, he was distinguishing between observation and
experimentation. Experimentation is far more effective than plain
observation. Mostly because you can focus better on variables of
interest. Also because you can ask clearer questions.

He was also arguing that all experimental sciences are basically just
elaborations on physics. And that's bullshit. Because there's emergent
stuff, as you move up levels of structure, process and information.
Sure, you can call it all physics, but you'd still need categories for
coherent discussion.

Then we have cosmology, which associates with physics, but is purely
observational. And there are some aspects of particle physics that seem
to be untestable. Let's hope that someone doesn't figure out how to
create false vacuum ;)

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[Razer]

As of three hours ago the police were video-ed opening fire with beanbag
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prayer ceremonies.


This is what the government wants so bad they're willing disrupt people
praying, deploy COINTELPRO-like fusion center disruption ops, Metadata
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the protests about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9TR9G5bd7w

Ps... It's funy!

Rr

Re: The Pentagon’s ‘Terminator Conundrum’: Robots That Could Kill on Their Own

[Cecilia Tanaka]

- OT celebrating the Halloween in advance, yay!  :D

Steve, my "cute-cute",  never was a werewolf, but already was a vampire
many years ago!  <3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade

You would be a Toreador, with absolutely sure.  I tried to be a Toreador
(poetry, music, red roses, etc),  but it didn't work for me.  I always was
a Malkavian, for coincidence, flirting with The Anarch Movement.  Chaos in
movement and destroy the "governments" because, you already know, some
vampires just wanna to have fun, la la la...  yay!  ;D

And now I am here, completely dead, haunting the list as ghost...  Bh!
<3

PS:  -  In Portuguese, there is the expression "cuti-cuti", which means,
more or less, "aww, cute, cute, cute!", usually used by children.  I am
being called "cuti-cuti" for so many years that it's a bit embarrassing.
In some tribunals and places, they need to _pretend_ respecting lawyers, so
I am called "Dr. Cuti-Cuti", hahaha!!!  ;D

Re: Waffling On Full Disclosure: Lawrence Lessig, Steven Levy

[Steven Schear]

I think there is good reason to believe Jefferson would have set all his
slaves free (his will only freed some related to Sally Hemings) if he had
not been such a spendthrift and died in massive debt.

Warrant Canary creator

On Oct 27, 2016 3:40 PM, "juan"  wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:19:58 -0700
> Steven Schear  wrote:
>
> > Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government
> > without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not
> > hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
> >
> > Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> Sure sure. But there's one thing he was pretty sure about. The
> brown subhumans had to remain in his plantations, and in the
> plantations of the rest of the the 'founding' fuckers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > 
> >
> > Warrant Canary creator
> >
> > On Oct 24, 2016 10:55 AM, "jim bell"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* grarpamp 
> > >
> > > https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-
> > > journalists-ignore-some-leaked-emails
> > > http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-
> > > ed-emails-between-tanden-and
> > >  wikileak-ed-emails-between-tanden-and?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma>
> > > https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-
> emails-1f2081122915
> > >
> > > >Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which
> > > >showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign
> > > >staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest...
> > > >But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like
> > > >this..."
> > >
> > > Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in
> > > THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed.  These people are
> > > crazy and biased.
> > >   Jim Bell
> > >
>
>

Re: Waffling On Full Disclosure: Lawrence Lessig, Steven Levy

[juan]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:19:58 -0700
Steven Schear  wrote:

> Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government
> without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not
> hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
> 
> Thomas Jefferson


Sure sure. But there's one thing he was pretty sure about. The
brown subhumans had to remain in his plantations, and in the
plantations of the rest of the the 'founding' fuckers.






> 
> 
> Warrant Canary creator
> 
> On Oct 24, 2016 10:55 AM, "jim bell"  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > *From:* grarpamp 
> >
> > https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-
> > journalists-ignore-some-leaked-emails
> > http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-
> > ed-emails-between-tanden-and
> > 
> > https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915
> >
> > >Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which
> > >showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign
> > >staffer: "I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest...
> > >But I can't for the life of me see the public good in a leak like
> > >this..."
> >
> > Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in
> > THE ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed.  These people are
> > crazy and biased.
> >   Jim Bell
> >

Re: Waffling On Full Disclosure: Lawrence Lessig, Steven Levy

[Steven Schear]

Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without
newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a
moment to prefer the latter.

Thomas Jefferson


Warrant Canary creator

On Oct 24, 2016 10:55 AM, "jim bell"  wrote:

>
>
> *From:* grarpamp 
>
> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/22/0417250/should-
> journalists-ignore-some-leaked-emails
> http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/151983995587/on-the-wikileak-
> ed-emails-between-tanden-and
> 
> https://backchannel.com/when-is-it-ok-to-mine-hacked-emails-1f2081122915
>
> >Tuesday Lawrence Lessig issued a comment about a leaked email which
> >showed complaints about his smugness from a Clinton campaign staffer:
> >"I'm a big believer in leaks for the public interest... But I can't
> >for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this..."
>
> Proving that Lessig is dumber, and even more solidly entrenched in THE
> ESTABLISHMENT, than we previously believed.  These people are crazy and
> biased.
>   Jim Bell
>

Re: The Pentagon’s ‘Terminator Conundrum’: Robots That Could Kill on Their Own

[Steve Kinney]

On 10/27/2016 04:05 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

> PS's PS:  -  I am pretty curious about this game, but I am sure it will
> be intensely scary and will give me nightmares, b...  :(
> 
> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/orwell

I have wanted to play this game ever since I heard of it:

http://www.eblong.com/zarf/werewolf.html

:o)

Re: Scientific Progress

[Peter Fairbrother]

https://xkcd.com/1520/

The Pentagon’s ‘Terminator Conundrum’: Robots That Could Kill on Their Own

[Cecilia Tanaka]

The Pentagon’s ‘Terminator Conundrum’: Robots That Could Kill on Their Own

http://nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/pentagon-artificial-intelligence-terminator.html

=

I do love technology and science.  And, yes, I love robots and drones a
lot, but not being used for the bad guys.  So many possibilities...
Awesome and/or evil.  :-/

-  c.

PS:  -  I am dead, but I am a ghost and I am haunting the list a bit,
sorry.  After more than 700 stupid spams, I deserve to scare some persons
here!  Bh!!!  :D

PS's PS:  -  I am pretty curious about this game, but I am sure it will be
intensely scary and will give me nightmares, b...  :(

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/orwell

--
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it."

Re: Scientific Progress

[juan]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:58:06 +0200
Tom  wrote:

> Juan,
> 
> > Who are they, Tom? 
> 
> As I understand your mails, you're  one of them. Maybe I misunderstood
> your mails 

I never said "science is the enemy" - I do say that
technicians working for the establishment and pretending to be
'scientists' are the enemy. The claims are related, but not
equal. 


>- my appologies in that case.

No apologies needed ;)

 
> > And where's the 'scientific' evidence for your propaganda claim? 
> 
> Why should I make propaganda? I'm not the government nor do I work for
> one. I just happen  to love science. 

Thanks for providing a reason why your view of the
establishment can be biased. You like what they do regardless of
where the funding comes from.


> Here are a  couple of examples of
> the kind of science I wrote about earlier:
> 
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161026142145.htm
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/10/26/three_stars_illuminate_ngc_6188.html
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap161026.html

You like astronomy? Fine. Do astronomy with your own money.


"Upper Paleolithic humans may have hunted cave lions for their
pelts" 

Really?? But they also may NOT have hunted cave lions, right?
Don't you see anything wrong, even with the wording of the
'scientific' 'fact'? Do you think that suggesting a possibility
and providing very flimsy evidence for it is 'science'? 

And are there people who feel curious about what happened to
lions 10,000 years ago anyway? Fine. Let them waste or devote
their onw resources to find out. 


 
> How could a sane person think they are 'parasites'? This is nonsense.

How could any sane person deny that fucking NASA, which is
nothing but a branch of the US gov't and more precisely of the
pentagon are not parasites? I assumed you knew that by
definition gov't employees and contractors are parasites. That
is a 'scientific' truth.


> 
> > Because you know even two minutes research should inform you of
> > what's going on. Unless you are a willfully ignorant, fully
> > biased cheerleader for the 'scientific' establishment.
> 
> Let me fill in the role you're projecting onto me for a moment: please
> show me the evidence of your propaganda claim.


You just provided the evidence yourself. 

Here's one more datapoint 


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/basic-science-can-t-survive-without-government-funding/

Do you realize that your 'beloved' scientists are sceaming
"We are gov't funded parasites" ? 

Seriously, find out how many millions governemnts steal from
taxpayers and give to 'scientists'. Find out how much money
big business spend on 'research', and see if that money was
legitimately earned in the first place. 

> 
> > Oh but you can generalize the other, patently false, way.
> 
> I  don't. I  just say  not all  science is  evil. We'd  not have  this
> discussion otherwise.


Again, I'm  not talking about science if correctly defined as
an unbiased search for truth. I'm talking about the people who
claim to do science, the vast majority of them being paid with
stolen money, to 'research' completely irrelevant stuff like
'paleolithic lions', or to 'explain' how central banking is the
source of civilization and progress.


> 
> > Dude, the 'international' 'scientific' 'community' uses FUCKING
> > IMPERIAL ENGLISH, and the universtity parasities in mongolia
> > working for mongolia's national universities are no different
> > from the parasites at harvard university or berlin university.
> > or any other place. 
> 
> I'd love it to see you on the panel during a science convention or the
> like and speak like this to scientists :)

I'd love to. And what do you think they would do? Call the
cops. 

At any rate, your theory that 'scientists' in monogolia are
somehow independent because they are in a 'third world' country
is nonsense. Here in argentina enlish is not the official
language either - that doesn't stop the local
'researchers' (virtually all of them gov't employees) from
reading and writing 'papers' in english...



> 
> Really, Juan, I  surely agree with you, that there  are scientists one
> could call 'parasites'. But not all of them, that's ridiculous.


Like I said a couple of times, and I'll repeat, there are some
dissenters, but the vast majority are on the wrong side of
'science'.



> 
> 
> Tom.

Re: Scientific Progress

[Razer]

But But! Whitey's on the MOON!

That's my problem with your, and so many other worshipers of
Technocracy's worldview, in a sentence Tom. Those pretty pictures come
with a price, and that price is MURDER, of people who would never get to
see those pretty pictures.

Another example... This gun can fire ONE MILLION ROUNDS A MINUTE and any
soldier could set it up: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/149984188784

Nice. Just what humanity needs. Suppose the 'scientists' and 'engineers'
(and machinists and assemblers) who developed it give one fuck how many
innocent people it kills Tom?

You know what I'd LIKE to do to the people who developed than gun Tom.

Put the whole fuckload of them in front of one and USE IT FOR TRULY
HUMANITARIAN PURPOSES.


Listen to your psychotherapist Tom:

"The founder of Gestalt Therapy, Paul Goodman, speaking by invitation to
the National Security Industrial Association —a consortium of arms
manufacturers, at the October 1967 “Research and Development in the
1970s” symposium, Washington DC.

"You are the military industrial [complex] of the United States, the
most dangerous body of men at present in the world, for you not only
implement our disastrous policies but are an overwhelming lobby for
them, and you expand and rigidify the wrong use of brains, resources,
and labor so that change becomes difficult.”

(He continued as the audience sat in stunned silence.)

“The best service you people could perform is rather rapidly to phase
yourselves out, passing on your relevant knowledge to people better
qualified, or reorganizing yourselves with entirely different sponsors
and commitments, so that you learn to think and feel in a different way.

Since you are most of the R&D [research and development] that there is,
we cannot do without you as people, but we cannot do with you as you are.”

(laughter and booing along with scattered applause)

“but we believe, however, that that way of life is unnecessary, ugly,
and un-American.”

(Shouts from the audience: “Who are ‘we’?”)

“We are I and those people outside —we cannot condone your present
operations; they should be wiped off the slate.”



I am on the outside thinking your "Science" needs to be Wiped From The
Slate... Along with it's funders. We'll use that 1x10(6) round a minute
gun. I'll pull the digital trigger.

Rr

On 10/27/2016 04:58 AM, Tom wrote:
> Juan,
> 
>> Who are they, Tom? 
> 
> As I understand your mails, you're  one of them. Maybe I misunderstood
> your mails - my appologies in that case.
> 
>> And where's the 'scientific' evidence for your propaganda claim? 
> 
> Why should I make propaganda? I'm not the government nor do I work for
> one. I just happen  to love science. Here are a  couple of examples of
> the kind of science I wrote about earlier:
> 
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161026142145.htm
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/10/26/three_stars_illuminate_ngc_6188.html
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap161026.html
> 
> How could a sane person think they are 'parasites'? This is nonsense.
> 
>> Because you know even two minutes research should inform you of
>> what's going on. Unless you are a willfully ignorant, fully
>> biased cheerleader for the 'scientific' establishment.
> 
> Let me fill in the role you're projecting onto me for a moment: please
> show me the evidence of your propaganda claim.
> 
>> Oh but you can generalize the other, patently false, way.
> 
> I  don't. I  just say  not all  science is  evil. We'd  not have  this
> discussion otherwise.
> 
>> Dude, the 'international' 'scientific' 'community' uses FUCKING
>> IMPERIAL ENGLISH, and the universtity parasities in mongolia
>> working for mongolia's national universities are no different
>> from the parasites at harvard university or berlin university.
>> or any other place. 
> 
> I'd love it to see you on the panel during a science convention or the
> like and speak like this to scientists :)
> 
> Really, Juan, I  surely agree with you, that there  are scientists one
> could call 'parasites'. But not all of them, that's ridiculous.
> 
> 
> Tom.
> 

Re: Scientific Progress

[Tom]

Juan,

> Who are they, Tom? 

As I understand your mails, you're  one of them. Maybe I misunderstood
your mails - my appologies in that case.

> And where's the 'scientific' evidence for your propaganda claim? 

Why should I make propaganda? I'm not the government nor do I work for
one. I just happen  to love science. Here are a  couple of examples of
the kind of science I wrote about earlier:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161026142145.htm
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/10/26/three_stars_illuminate_ngc_6188.html
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap161026.html

How could a sane person think they are 'parasites'? This is nonsense.

> Because you know even two minutes research should inform you of
> what's going on. Unless you are a willfully ignorant, fully
> biased cheerleader for the 'scientific' establishment.

Let me fill in the role you're projecting onto me for a moment: please
show me the evidence of your propaganda claim.

> Oh but you can generalize the other, patently false, way.

I  don't. I  just say  not all  science is  evil. We'd  not have  this
discussion otherwise.

> Dude, the 'international' 'scientific' 'community' uses FUCKING
> IMPERIAL ENGLISH, and the universtity parasities in mongolia
> working for mongolia's national universities are no different
> from the parasites at harvard university or berlin university.
> or any other place. 

I'd love it to see you on the panel during a science convention or the
like and speak like this to scientists :)

Really, Juan, I  surely agree with you, that there  are scientists one
could call 'parasites'. But not all of them, that's ridiculous.


Tom.